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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:00 GMT
#355
On May 28 2014 09:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:58 Chromatically wrote:
I'm trying to read through jabber's posts and see if this explanation is possible from a town perspective. The problem I'm reaching is that it would have to be really really bad town play, like completely bullshitting and making stuff up for no reason.

This.

I'm not saying he's town. Why do you think it's more likely that he's been town doing absolutely everything wrong as opposed to just being scum?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:11 GMT
#360
jabber, here's the thing I don't get about your explanation

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10

On this page, people are asking you for an explanation and pressuring you, and you make up other explanations to answer them (admitted by you). Why did you not just tell them your actual reason the first time you were asked for an explanation?

On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.



He even posted in that QT, so he read it.

On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"


Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.

Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones

For example, everyone read this whole conversation. jabber gave an explanation, Palmar asked him for elaboration. This would be the PERFECT time for jabber to explain that you were just trying to conceal information to help you later. That's what I believe any townie would do. jabber doesn't and instead makes up something else.

As scum, however, jabber doesn't have a real explanation so he's floundering around, trying to find an explanation that works.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:14 GMT
#361
Also, the list post was pretty bad. I know it's a stereotypical "scumtell", but I'm pretty sure it's exactly what I did in my very first game when someone pressured me (I was scum).
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:14 GMT
#362
I am so good at pagesniping this game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:17 GMT
#365
sqrt, I do not understand your thought process at all about pretty much anything this game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:23 GMT
#373
On May 28 2014 10:17 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 10:11 Chromatically wrote:
jabber, here's the thing I don't get about your explanation

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10

On this page, people are asking you for an explanation and pressuring you, and you make up other explanations to answer them (admitted by you). Why did you not just tell them your actual reason the first time you were asked for an explanation?

On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.



He even posted in that QT, so he read it.

On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"


Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.

Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones

For example, everyone read this whole conversation. jabber gave an explanation, Palmar asked him for elaboration. This would be the PERFECT time for jabber to explain that you were just trying to conceal information to help you later. That's what I believe any townie would do. jabber doesn't and instead makes up something else.

As scum, however, jabber doesn't have a real explanation so he's floundering around, trying to find an explanation that works.

I still wasn't in the right mindset or whatever about the game. I can totally see where I went wrong and understand all of your suspicion. It's definitely hard for anyone to take anything I say now seriously. But the posts from tonight are all totally what's going on, believe me or not.

This does not exactly provide me with a clear view into your thought process. But, I think it's clear at this point that I'm not going to get an explanation that I buy.


jabber, who should I lynch instead of you and why?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:25 GMT
#374
sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:49 GMT
#385
gobble, what are you thinking about jabber's defense/anything he's posted recently?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#386
Oh, I guess that kind of covers it. Still, what do you think about his defense?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 01:59 GMT
#395
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 02:10 GMT
#401
I'm trying not to think of teams right now, before a flip. After a flip, sure, but preflip associations totally destroyed me one game because neither of the people were actually mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 02:10 GMT
#402
man I am so good
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 02:27 GMT
#405
If everyone who hasn't posted much could post more, that would be great.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 10:44 GMT
#439
MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#441
On May 28 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote:
Don't ask hard questions Chrom, he might not have an answer right now.

hue hue hue

Palmar, you still feeling good about this lynch?


Amiko, I don't see you pushing anything. Who do you want to lynch and what's your read on jabber?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 11:59 GMT
#442
I won't be here for the lynch tonight and about 3 hours before it, so if anyone has things for me, don't wait.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 12:54 GMT
#445
So I agree that he's done absolutely everything wrong, but I don't really get "too scummy to be scum". Like he's done everything I would expect scum to do in his position. What do you think he would be doing differently as mafia? Or what about it makes you doubt that he's mafia as opposed to just sealing the deal?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 13:58 GMT
#452
Why would the setup be important for you to know? How is this relevant at all to the situation?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 14:23 GMT
#453
Okay, so on MZ, I get your point, but I'm not sure it applies here.

On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:
If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms (aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain.

Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much.

You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta.


The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people.


Actually, I was going to disagree, but I think I don't really anymore. My objection was that it makes sense from a town MZ if he's just giving advice on how to play to a town read of his, but the wording is very strange. He's basically saying "if you do this, you're going to look like scum" which doesn't make sense unless MZ knows sqrt is town.

His filter doesn't look like he's trying to solve the game, more like he's throwing reads out. He gives a lot of advice to people, which doesn't mean anything. He isn't questioning his scumreads which is what I'd expect a townie to do.

Not sure where he would fit in on my lynch list though, I haven't looked in depth at very many people.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 14:23 GMT
#454
mderg, what would you say your objective is for today? What outcome would you be most happy with??
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