Detention Mafia - Page 10

On June 03 2014 05:35 Amiko wrote:
Sqrt I'm not really sure if you are responding to the first part or the second there...

We know slOosh is goon. If M_Z is scum, he is roleblocker.
I think it was became clear that one of those two players was going to get lynched d2.
If you were scum in that situation, if all other things were equal, you would probably want the roleblocker (M_Z in that case) to survive.

However, slOosh fights to survive the lynch, M_Z does not.
This suggests that maybe if they were both scum, slOosh would have preferred M_Z die instead of himself.

I just want to know if you think that argument makes sense, and if you disagree, what part you disagree with.

For me, I don't find it sufficient (though I guess I didn't go through the reasons) but I thought it was worth talking about, especially since it feels like people aren't really playing anymore.

On June 03 2014 05:37 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt-
I remember you were scumreading Palmar somewhat when he voted on bunnies early and questioned his reasons.

Why did you react differently when bunnies voted you early (you didn't ask if bunnies was serious, etc.)?

On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.

If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.

On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:

You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything.

On June 03 2014 07:05 mderg wrote:

I disagree with you then.

On June 03 2014 11:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Do
I have
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To care
Oh man oh man oh man

On June 03 2014 11:44 Amiko wrote:
Two people that (imo) aren't likely night kills (sqrt and haru) both have Palmar as the second highest scumread after M_Z.
If we hit wrong on M_Z, then Palmar is someone who should get attention, and given that he is barely playing it seems to me that it'd be better to try to get him to play now instead of later.

I don't really see why we need to wait for tomorrow to ask questions.
I recognize if Palmar/Alakaslam don't really want to play mafia, I can't make them play the game.
If M_Z flips scum, fine. If not, I'll certainly have this interaction to consider too.

On June 03 2014 08:58 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt:
I mostly disagree with you. I mean, there's no certainty that scum will kill someone because they are right.
(Though, I do think that tends to be the case on day 1, at least)
But even if you don't know if the town is right, you can still look at their filters and see if they made points that might have made the mafia decide to kill them.

Ex: consider Chromatically's last couple of posts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Chromatically&page=3
His top three scum were:
(1) slOosh
(2) M_Z
(3) gobble
If you were scum and saw that, don't you think he might make for a tempting n1 kill?

On June 03 2014 08:58 Amiko wrote:
I don't find reviewing bunnies' filter to be useful, though. Since she didn't read d2, and her last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=44#867) is pretty inconclusive imo.
About all I can say is that she didn't think fuba was scum. But I don't even know if this is helpful; my suspicion of fuba is mostly from d2 (which I guess she didn't read) so I feel like her post doesn't give us as much to work with.

Scum filters can help too, you are right.
But, I feel like the most useful stuff is things you recognize as slips in retrospect...
I think a post from scum when that player is gaining votes and is a likely lynch is just too wifomy.

On June 04 2014 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm sick. Co-host in charge now

On June 04 2014 08:13 fuba wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

Bleh, I had this whole thing written up but I refreshed the page and it got erased. Was basically just apologizing for being MIA and saying that MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch, so time felt better spent on projects (and reading the new Dresden Files book, and trying out Heroes of the Storm, but mostly the final projects).