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On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
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the deepest one in the nest
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On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive?
Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive?
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On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206
Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie.
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On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
No one has done jack shit. We're barely an hour in.
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On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions?
I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself.
The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy.
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On June 11 2014 06:31 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote I responded. sinani didn't. I really hit the jackpot when I voted you. I could not have hoped for a better reaction. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:16 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Which one?
I did respond... you just quoted it.
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On June 11 2014 06:33 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:32 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote I responded. sinani didn't. I really hit the jackpot when I voted you. I could not have hoped for a better reaction. On June 11 2014 06:16 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Which one? On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest I did respond... you just quoted it. I don't know what "the deepest one in the nest" means.
Oh, sorry. The comment nest. This one, to be exact.
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
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On June 11 2014 06:39 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:33 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Yeah that post did look really really weird. The second one you quoted at least. Kinda wolfy unless its a villager breadcrumbing or something. Speaking of breadcrumbs: + Show Spoiler + I was joking about the second post, I figured out what it meant. I was being serious about the first and third posts, thought. Why do you think the second post is scummy?
Sorry can you clarify which third, second, first posts you are referring to? I'm kinda lost here.
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On June 11 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:33 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:32 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
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Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote I responded. sinani didn't. I really hit the jackpot when I voted you. I could not have hoped for a better reaction. On June 11 2014 06:16 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Which one? On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest I did respond... you just quoted it. I don't know what "the deepest one in the nest" means. Oh, sorry. The comment nest. This one, to be exact. On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic I'm sorry I still don't know what you're asking. What does "what was your post then" mean? I was just chasing after roundabout because for one he's a hydra and I hate hydras and two because I feel like I'm making progress by pursuing him.
Just pointing out a little hypocrisy. The question really wasn't all too important, just a little something to get involved, but it kinda blew up into this because I don't know how to make people understand me, apparently. Trying to discuss Round a little.
Might as well say that having seen more of Rounds posting, I'm not as convinced as the rest of you seem to be that he's mafia yet. I think I'm going to need more evidence. It is rather early, and he already has enough pressure votes on him.
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On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?
Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.
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On June 11 2014 09:53 Bill Murray wrote:
Before I go, though, I have 2 townreads thusfar, 1 maf read, 1 d read, and 2 nd leans
What's your maf read?
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OK, well first of all, I have slight town leans on the people who have pushed/FoSed me so far (mostly toward the earlier stages of today) because I don't think that an organized scum team with at least one player who played with me before would be dumb enough to push me on day one because of my meta. (For those of you who don't know, I generally read scummy to most and am often lynched day one.) As an easy target, any mafia pushing me would probably lead to their deaths later in the game, being seen as pushing for an easy lynch. Again, although I ended up taking a few lines to type this paragraph out, this is just a little thing to not and is really not that consequential as of yet, especially because I haven't played in a while and there are a lot of new faces (to me) in this game.
Secondly, just by catching up in the thread, not reading filters yet, I have red feelings on ketomai and Koshi. I'm going to read through the filters as I type this out and let you guys see my thought process as I analyze these two. I'm probably going to end up saying things a lot of others have already said, but bear with me.
ketomai
On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone.
Not the ideal first post. As others have said, one post --> vote and the whole two person race to get lynched idea is wishy washy in that he's trying to show that he's pressuring someone and he doesn't really want to contribute.
On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations.
Basically more of the same; placing a vote but saying it isn't important is like... I took way too long trying to find a simile. I'm sure you guys get it.
On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote:
How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia.
If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise.
Don't worry, lol.
Votes are for mafia. Killing town is mafia's win condition.
On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote:
Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care.
Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now!
I don't know how many times he has to say this, but I'm betting its going to be more than seven total. We're at four right now.
On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote:
By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia.
How's that? It's in writing ok?
Five.
On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine.
"Hanging on" to you? I don't know what that means. You clearly have started the game; you've made a handful of posts and tried to contribute to discussion to some extent. Having suspicions on people like you is perfectly valid, and this poor substitute for a defense is not.
On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. whos getting manipulated and where? you must provide quotes and scholarly sources. Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously. If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material. I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage.
Why post the garbage in the first place? And you were distracting town with useless material: you basically said so yourself, and you made six posts about the same thing where one would have sufficed.
In conclusion, I'm not getting a townread at all here, but I'm not sure if this is scum either. I think so far, just in terms of timing and more under-the-surface feelings, you seem red, but I am willing to wait for the incoming "content-filled post" before I make a more concrete decision.
Koshi
On June 11 2014 06:07 Koshi wrote:↓↓↓Koshi tryhard filter starts here↓↓↓
And then he waits two hours. Actually though, I don't really see that as scummy, although some other people did, because in my mind, there's nothing wrong with waiting a little while before really jumping in to not have to deal with the early game bullshit. Some people just have shorter tempers and know from experience what the first few hours of mafia can be like. And he just could have been busy.
On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me  . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity.
Okay, so I'm not going to respond to the reads directly, because we're further into the game now, but he seems a little sure of them for so early and on his first post. I guess he read carefully. My main problem with this post is the early vote on TicaTica. This seems like an easy early vote based on how TicaTica was acting in thread before the game started, and in context the earlier reads in this post kind of seemed as merely something to stand on; Koshi seems to be inventing reads so that he can say that he has done more than go for an easy target.
Additionally, I personally don't like sharing too many details about my townreads with the thread because it gives mafia a lot of information, so I kind of have a bias against people who do this, but I do read the first half of this post as I'm choosing a bunch of players that seem like they have actually done things so far to say I think are town. It seems like any four names might have gone there.
On June 11 2014 08:16 Koshi wrote:
No sorry my towns are town.
Continuing the theme of not really discussing his town reads while seeming to be sure about them.
On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
Says the same thing. I dont understand the fourth line.
On June 11 2014 09:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. I have no interest in answering too many questions this game. If I dislike their posting you will be notified in future Koshi posts. I noticed Sandroba first dislike of my post was around my townreads not being good enough. After that he replied that my townreads were town but I wasn't when he got backed up by other Koshi - haters. Interesting that was. Probably only "interesting" person out of marv/Jat/Robik/Poofter/Sandroba. Updates will follow later.
Contentless. I just wasted thirty seconds looking for anything useful in this post.
Pretty much the same thing as ketomai, expect less to go off of, but scummier in the process. Waiting for the next stage of your quest.
It seems that my brain decided to pick up on people who I needed to see more of to decide on. I guess I'll just have to wait and see in the morning. That was kind of a whole lot of effort seemingly wasted, but I don't want to just delete the whole post because I'm unsure about people. I want to get my thoughts out in the open so that we can discuss them. I don't think it was really necessary to do a double filter analysis on these two specifically after actually reading through each of their filters, but I guess it can't hurt town.
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On June 11 2014 17:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 17:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So where is the case on roundabout please? Alakaslam do you post thoughts or just words? I can't figure it out by myself. Both, is this an illegitimate question that I asked?
It is. Find the case yourself. Is it really that hard? It's basically a third of the thread.
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Caught up again, and keto hasn't posted since my filter analysis, so I'll talk a little about Koshi and why I'm going to vote for him.
First of all, in general I don't really like process of elimination as a means to "solving the game." Especially on day 1. The amount of null reads you are going to have is kind of going to screw with that. Additionally, process of elimination seems like it could be a method for scum to use because it would take a lot of effort for town to do effectively while taking much less for a mafia member because they know people's alignment.
He says he wants to try a new playstyle, which alone I certainly have no problem with, but the one he chose seems to not help town very much. How is not responding to questions asked of you and refusal to participate in discussion pro-town?
I don't like his analysis of Chromatically. The "way he entered the thread" was fine to me and as I said before I'm leaning town on him. And I'm kind of confused as to what his point is with that section of his post. He calls us scrubs for thinking Chromatically isn't scum and then says that he doesn't think he is scum either in the tl;dr.
And the MZ case seems forced. The whole "he needs to be watched" thing to voting him seems like a chain missing a few links.
Then he says he's going to be friendly, posts a few one liners, and then complains that people are hating on him for being "tryhard" when he has put about two posts with anything that resembles effort into this game. It seems like he's pretending he's tryhard by saying it a lot.
Try harder.
##Vote: Koshi
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On June 12 2014 05:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:37 sinani206 wrote:
Caught up again, and keto hasn't posted since my filter analysis, so I'll talk a little about Koshi and why I'm going to vote for him.
First of all, in general I don't really like process of elimination as a means to "solving the game." Especially on day 1. The amount of null reads you are going to have is kind of going to screw with that. Additionally, process of elimination seems like it could be a method for scum to use because it would take a lot of effort for town to do effectively while taking much less for a mafia member because they know people's alignment.
He says he wants to try a new playstyle, which alone I certainly have no problem with, but the one he chose seems to not help town very much. How is not responding to questions asked of you and refusal to participate in discussion pro-town?
I don't like his analysis of Chromatically. The "way he entered the thread" was fine to me and as I said before I'm leaning town on him. And I'm kind of confused as to what his point is with that section of his post. He calls us scrubs for thinking Chromatically isn't scum and then says that he doesn't think he is scum either in the tl;dr.
And the MZ case seems forced. The whole "he needs to be watched" thing to voting him seems like a chain missing a few links.
Then he says he's going to be friendly, posts a few one liners, and then complains that people are hating on him for being "tryhard" when he has put about two posts with anything that resembles effort into this game. It seems like he's pretending he's tryhard by saying it a lot.
Try harder.
##Vote: Koshi So why am I scum exactly? Give me the bullet points.
[*]All of your analyses seemed forced
[*]The plays you have made so far are much easier for scum to make than town
[*]Refusing to participate in discussion
[*]Lack of defense
[*]Making sure everyone knows how invested you are in the game
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- All of your analyses seemed forced
- The plays you have made so far are much easier for scum to make than town
- Refusing to participate in discussion
- Lack of defense
- Making sure everyone knows how invested you are in the game
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On June 12 2014 07:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2014 07:16 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 07:07 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 12 2014 06:56 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2014 06:50 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 06:49 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 06:48 Palmar wrote:
Actually I'm backing out on thinking marv is mafia. There is an anomaly but I can't conclude what it means. that is *so* boring. cmon, make an effort. i can't fight my own data, that would be counterproductive. However, I'm doing additional research on strongandbig now. Do you want to offer insight? I'm disappointed Palmar, I am also looking into the possibility that Marv is mafia. While researching strongandbig I'd also recommend having a looksy at VA's two posts. I remember him usually being more active as town, correct me if I'm wrong. VA actually has a pretty shit townrating, even more so than strongandbig, at 4.9 I lost my copy of the village point list. Can you fax me another copy or just put it into the thread. (In all honesty this would be awesome to see you should totally do it) Bill Murray: 11.1 Tehpoofter: 11.0 yamato77: 10.8 Koshi: 10.6 sinani206: 10.4 Chromatically: 10.4 Rainbows: 10.3 Chairman Ray: 10.2 roundabound: 10.1 batsnacks: 10.1 marvellosity: 10.0 ExO_: 9.5 HaruRH: 9.4 TicaTica: 9.0 justanothertownie: 9.0 gumshoe: 8.6 ObiWanShinobi: 8.5 Alakaslam: 7.9 Meapak_Ziphh: 7.7 TheKingOfTheCats: 7.7 kushm4sta: 7.6 ketomai: 7.5 Amiko: 7.5 ritoky: 7.5 Palmar: 7.4 Holyflare: 7.3 sandroba: 6.8 strongandbig: 6.1 VayneAuthority: 4.9 mattisfoolish: 4.1 How the fuck am I below Koshi? I'm insulted. Who knows, I don't know how the computer works
I've never seen this before; what exactly is it analyzing?
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On June 12 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 07:21 sinani206 wrote:On June 12 2014 07:19 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2014 07:16 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 07:07 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 12 2014 06:56 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2014 06:50 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2014 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
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that is *so* boring. cmon, make an effort. i can't fight my own data, that would be counterproductive. However, I'm doing additional research on strongandbig now. Do you want to offer insight? I'm disappointed Palmar, I am also looking into the possibility that Marv is mafia. While researching strongandbig I'd also recommend having a looksy at VA's two posts. I remember him usually being more active as town, correct me if I'm wrong. VA actually has a pretty shit townrating, even more so than strongandbig, at 4.9 I lost my copy of the village point list. Can you fax me another copy or just put it into the thread. (In all honesty this would be awesome to see you should totally do it) Bill Murray: 11.1 Tehpoofter: 11.0 yamato77: 10.8 Koshi: 10.6 sinani206: 10.4 Chromatically: 10.4 Rainbows: 10.3 Chairman Ray: 10.2 roundabound: 10.1 batsnacks: 10.1 marvellosity: 10.0 ExO_: 9.5 HaruRH: 9.4 TicaTica: 9.0 justanothertownie: 9.0 gumshoe: 8.6 ObiWanShinobi: 8.5 Alakaslam: 7.9 Meapak_Ziphh: 7.7 TheKingOfTheCats: 7.7 kushm4sta: 7.6 ketomai: 7.5 Amiko: 7.5 ritoky: 7.5 Palmar: 7.4 Holyflare: 7.3 sandroba: 6.8 strongandbig: 6.1 VayneAuthority: 4.9 mattisfoolish: 4.1 How the fuck am I below Koshi? I'm insulted. Who knows, I don't know how the computer works I've never seen this before; what exactly is it analyzing? I just punch in the numbers and the magic happens.
which numbers
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On June 12 2014 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
va lynch sounds good im in
whats your deal
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On June 13 2014 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 01:48 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: Palmar (0): batsnacksyamato77 (0): Palmarroundabound (1): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomaisinani206 (0): Chromatically, TehpoofterKoshi (2): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206 TicaTica (0): KoshiExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4staHolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, PalmarBill Murray (0): roundaboundketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound batsnacks (0): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, AlakaslamMeapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshitehpoofter (1): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority strongandbig (7): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, Koshi Chairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_Marvellosity (0): TehpoofterVayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (0): ketomaikushm4sta (3): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_ justanothertownie (0): Koshi, PalmarObiWanShinobi (1): TicaTica TheKingOfTheCats (4): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi Not voting (2): Erandorr, strongandbig
Currently strongandbig is set to be lynched with 7 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451311-tl-order-lxvi-thread-for-doing-of-the-voting
If there is a tie, the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! votes on me or kush at this point in the day are just lazy, save that pool of players for further use.
So it's lazy to still have votes on some of the leftover wagons because they should be concentrated on people who are actually going to be lynched, yet you are still the only person on poof? I'm not accusing you of anything, but I don't really see this as lazy. Can you elaborate?
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On June 13 2014 02:28 Koshi wrote:
Yeah but this lie (if it is a lie and not simply bad memory) serves no purpose. I can't even think of 1 mafia reason to lie.
I think it's definitely a lie. His memory can't be bad enough to forget what he had affirmed 21 minutes before.
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On June 13 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Look. I think KoC has a really good chance of flipping mafia. I think people should vote for him.
I don't really think s&b is mafia.
If there needs to be an alternative wagon, I think it should be ketomai.
I'm not opposed to a ketomai lynch.
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On June 13 2014 02:31 marvellosity wrote:
tell me why you're opposed to my actual excellent lynch then.
I was about to start looking at King's filter. Not too against it right now based on my feel from reading.
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On June 13 2014 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
then be my guest. i literally don't care what you do or think, BM, because i've written you off as town and your opinions mean nothing to me.
sorry if that's harsh but that's the way it is.
<3
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On June 13 2014 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 02:30 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:28 Koshi wrote:
Yeah but this lie (if it is a lie and not simply bad memory) serves no purpose. I can't even think of 1 mafia reason to lie. I think it's definitely a lie. His memory can't be bad enough to forget what he had affirmed 21 minutes before. So what?
I don't know what you're asking
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On June 13 2014 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 02:35 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:On June 13 2014 02:30 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:28 Koshi wrote:
Yeah but this lie (if it is a lie and not simply bad memory) serves no purpose. I can't even think of 1 mafia reason to lie. I think it's definitely a lie. His memory can't be bad enough to forget what he had affirmed 21 minutes before. So what? I don't know what you're asking How is it important if it is a lie?
Well it was the point of discussion in the thread. Also, I'm in favor of LaL.
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I trust marv for today. Cats doesn't seem to be defending himself, either.
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2014 07:37 roundabound wrote:So.... The problem I had, still have, and may continue to experience with Ketomai is: for every attempt at contribution he makes, there is an additional of self-flagellation. This is on par with the renown "newbie claim" where you sell yourself as inexperienced in the hopes of being ignored, and thus, blending in - the sacred mafia goal to survival. TL;DRKetomai is actively attempting to blend in. Whilst this can be a town trait; Ketomai juggles this performance with fabricated arguments that are both simple to disprove and extremely superficial. Thus, I can only attribute this recurring behaviour to rolling mafia.
Pre KotC lynchShow nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote:
Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care.
Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote:On June 12 2014 11:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i noticed poofter's post on ketomai and i realized that ketomai still hasnt done anything and should still probably die. more votes on him pls. I'm here and I realize you're just pressuring me to respond, but reading 50 straight pages of mostly spam is honestly exhausting (and impossible for me after a long day at work). I gave up in the middle and just took a cursory glance through filters and whatnot for current top votes. I also took a look at a few other people that showed up near the beginning of the thread. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Hopefully there's less spam in the future because missing 1 day so far seems to be catastrophic. Top votes: Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia. Exo: Leaning slightly towards town. He doesn't spam up the thread and has only posted the few times he's confident in his opinion. However, his last post that also contained his vote jumped to a conclusion really fast without much evidence. The way he said it leaves room for change, like my own vote, so I'm also not too suspicious of that. It feels more like he honestly doesn't know who to vote for because there's so much spam/finger pointing as a newer player. Roundabout: No read. When he was attacking me earlier I thought he was doing that to everyone to create some chaos, but after looking through the filters he hasn't really done much past the early game. The point about him not contributing much is true, but not enough grounds to seem mafia yet; the game is early. The jump on me was a bit strange since I, personally, felt it was useless garbage spamming up the thread, but I'll ignore that. I would like to see him post more now that the "heat" is off of him. strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying). Chairman Ray: slightly town. So far everything he posts is pretty logical. I disagree a bit with his leaps on roundabout, but he's defended himself and arguments pretty well, so I like that. He brings up his own arguments to add to town discussion as well, which is usually good if they make sense. MZ: Other than furthering the VA lynchwagon (unless I missed some great post about it), not enough info, no read. Anyway I made a post because I promised it, but as you can see my knowledge of the thread is not very thorough yet. You should view these as my initial thoughts. I feel strongest about ritoky out of the people I checked so I'll vote on him for now to get him to speak out. Another issue I have with this post is the focus on people that have votes. I get on one hand that a time-poor person *may* go straight to the vote counts. On the other hand, I can not fathom why a townie that is not literate with the thread would trust the votes of ANY person to then perform this analysis. Again, for every positive action ketomai makes; it is self-countered with a more significant negative.
Post KotC lynchShow nested quote +On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote:Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. On June 13 2014 02:29 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2014 01:48 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: Palmar (0): batsnacksyamato77 (0): Palmarroundabound (1): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomaisinani206 (0): Chromatically, TehpoofterKoshi (2): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206 TicaTica (0): KoshiExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4staHolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, PalmarBill Murray (0): roundaboundketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound batsnacks (0): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, AlakaslamMeapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshitehpoofter (1): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority strongandbig (7): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, Koshi Chairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_Marvellosity (0): TehpoofterVayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (0): ketomaikushm4sta (3): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_ justanothertownie (0): Koshi, PalmarObiWanShinobi (1): TicaTica TheKingOfTheCats (4): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi Not voting (2): Erandorr, strongandbig
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Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! votes on me or kush at this point in the day are just lazy, save that pool of players for further use. So it's lazy to still have votes on some of the leftover wagons because they should be concentrated on people who are actually going to be lynched, yet you are still the only person on poof? I'm not accusing you of anything, but I don't really see this as lazy. Can you elaborate? Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: On June 13 2014 02:30 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Look. I think KoC has a really good chance of flipping mafia. I think people should vote for him.
I don't really think s&b is mafia.
If there needs to be an alternative wagon, I think it should be ketomai. I'm not opposed to a ketomai lynch. Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. + Show Spoiler +Exo: starting to think he's more mafia On June 13 2014 00:40 ExO_ wrote:
I actually agree on Kush. When I read his filter, it doesn't even look like he's trying to play. He responded to Obi and HF by saying they should lynch him, and he's the jester. I'm not sure whether to interpret this as him being sarcastic and dismissive, or him just not wanting to play this game. Either way, I don't see him as being helpful in the future if he is going to continue like this.
##unvote
##Vote kushm4sta
I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town.
Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I find this an extremely miscontrued and fabricated depiction of Sinani. Firstly, Ketomai takes issue that Sinani did not consider KotC as a lynch, inferring anyone who does not vote scum: equivocates to scum. Secondly, he completely ignores the fact that Sinani made a case on both Koshi and Ketomai. Guess what.. those are the two people Sinani was willing to vote vote (as proven by Ketomais plucked Sinani quotes). Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 12:01 ketomai wrote:
Also, for both of those people, they have not actually posted much. It's much less than I thought at first because they have been discussed as potential mafia during the very beginnings of the game. The common theme here is they are laying pretty low without stepping up with any original content. Both are present during the crucial moments before the lynch and do not participate despite clearly paying attention to the game before and during that point. Here ketomai takse the easy road; suggesting lack of participation = mafia, GG. There is no link to mindset in existing filter. I find superficial arguments like this tend to come from very bad town, or mafia. Clearly I tend towards the latter. Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 13:19 ketomai wrote:
See, everyone just says I'm mafia without providing a good reason. I'm not against people calling me mafia if they think so, but with so many people doing it without what most would consider solid reasoning yet, it becomes detrimental to the town.
My bandwagon is the easiest for mafia to jump on because it's the safe one. Marv has me on his list, and it's the cool thing to do to accuse me with 1 line and that's it. They don't even need to give a reason because no one else is. I'm not saying the people who did are mafia necessarily, but look how many people randomly bring up my name as other bandwagons are going on. Intentionally or not, it potentially gives people an easy out to discussing the real issues that actually have evidence.
The reason I haven't been refuting any cases against me is because there really aren't any. I want someone to give me a solid case that I can at least attempt to refute to get this over with. Because as it stands now, my name is just potential misdirection. I acknowledge that both alignments can go on a preemptive defense; but this reads odd to me. In blue: He infers that with so many proponents of his lynch, mafia must clearly be involved. Yet, In red: He self-flagellates again, and says the misdirection of his lynch (due to being town) may only be a "potential"/possibility. Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote:On June 13 2014 13:20 ExO_ wrote:On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote:Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. On June 13 2014 02:29 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2014 01:48 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: Palmar (0): batsnacksyamato77 (0): Palmarroundabound (1): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomaisinani206 (0): Chromatically, TehpoofterKoshi (2): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206 TicaTica (0): KoshiExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4staHolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, PalmarBill Murray (0): roundaboundketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound batsnacks (0): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, AlakaslamMeapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshitehpoofter (1): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority strongandbig (7): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, Koshi Chairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_Marvellosity (0): TehpoofterVayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (0): ketomaikushm4sta (3): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_ justanothertownie (0): Koshi, PalmarObiWanShinobi (1): TicaTica TheKingOfTheCats (4): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi Not voting (2): Erandorr, strongandbig
Currently strongandbig is set to be lynched with 7 votes! Day will end in
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Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! votes on me or kush at this point in the day are just lazy, save that pool of players for further use. So it's lazy to still have votes on some of the leftover wagons because they should be concentrated on people who are actually going to be lynched, yet you are still the only person on poof? I'm not accusing you of anything, but I don't really see this as lazy. Can you elaborate? Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: On June 13 2014 02:30 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Look. I think KoC has a really good chance of flipping mafia. I think people should vote for him.
I don't really think s&b is mafia.
If there needs to be an alternative wagon, I think it should be ketomai. I'm not opposed to a ketomai lynch. Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. Exo: starting to think he's more mafia On June 13 2014 00:40 ExO_ wrote:
I actually agree on Kush. When I read his filter, it doesn't even look like he's trying to play. He responded to Obi and HF by saying they should lynch him, and he's the jester. I'm not sure whether to interpret this as him being sarcastic and dismissive, or him just not wanting to play this game. Either way, I don't see him as being helpful in the future if he is going to continue like this.
##unvote
##Vote kushm4sta
I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town.
Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I don't think this is fair. For starters, calling me out on my posting amount when you've posted about half of what I have seems rather silly. When it comes to KoC I didn't see it. He didn't look like mafia to me. But to be honest, nobody really does. So instead of voting for what I feel would essentially be a guess, I'm going to vote for the guy who is being very trolly and actively telling people to lynch him (kush). For some reason a lot of players seem to think that acting this way makes him a vigilante, and I don't understand that at all. So I stand by my vote on Kush. You're right about effort though. I'm probably not putting forth the effort that some players are. The amount of information in 55ish pages of reading is crazy. Being expected to read all of it and remember who said what about who when, and make predictions out of all of it seems like the norm here and I'm not sure I can keep up with that pace. I'm going to try my best, but TLmafia isn't the only thing I'm doing. If that's not good enough for you, if the fact that I'm not willing to accuse people I don't have strong feelings about isn't good enough for you, then lynch me. I'm not going to change how I'm playing right now. I can tell you this much: I'm 100% town, and want to do what I can to help town win (thereby allowing me to win). If I was mafia you'd be damn sure I'd be asking what things to say, what not to say. But I'm on my own. So I'm doing the best I can. That's about all you can expect from me, take it or leave it. See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe. As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation. This is very ironic given: Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote:Day 1 - Final Vote Count: strongandbig (4): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam,
TheKingOfTheCats was lynched with 11 votes!Night 1 will end in Post KotC, Ketomai comments about Sinani + Exo. Where is *ANY* statement about SnB?
The rest of his filter is fluff about theory ~moc
Well, I guess you did my job for me.
<3
now time to go get rid of some low prio
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On June 15 2014 10:40 roundabound wrote:
Didn't sinani say he would make a post?
I don't like he used my points for him as a defence, and then has contributed nothing further???
Haru I will let bygones be, if u do is very weird. I see both alignments doing that. It's more a personality thing on how u deal with politics. What makes it weird is the spiel beforehand where he tried to SELL it. It's over the top and doesn't feel natural. I align that not Sith desperate town, but desperate scum.
I haven't reread ketomai yet, pretty busy today though.
Will try after lunch, otherwise I'm down with haru or sandroba/mattfool
~moc
nice timing.
I don't remeber saing that, and I definitely wasn't intending to use your argument as a defense for myself. Just saying that it was the argument on keto that I was going to make. I can reread ketomai right now I guess.
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OK. I'm not going to go back and do a post-by-post filter dive again because we have enough of that on keto so far, I think.
So one point that neither moc nor I have yet discussed is the way ketomai is defending himself. A large portion seems to be chainsawed back for an OMGUS on me, and in his language I am seeing a lot of "oh, I was an easy target" and him not really directly addressing the points that mocsta made, just clarifying the attacked posts in a way that doesn't actually relate to the case. What I'd like to see instead is his logic for why a townie would make a lot of the posts that he did.
Also, I really don't like his whole thing with marv. It seems like an easy thing for scum to do, just speculating about the overall greenest player in the game. It basically encompasses all of his content on Day 2 so far that isn't defending himself, and makes it seem like he has some other goal during the daytime besides staying alive. Well guess what. He doesn't. Because he's mafia.
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I'm confused about what happened to ketomai. Especially if we don't have any vigshots left, why is he not being included in people's lists?
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Also, I'm in the same boat as robik on gumshoe. Can anyone link me a case?
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On June 18 2014 00:06 Rainbows wrote:Apologies for being afk. I've been kind of depressed / angry since the Haru flip. So the night kills. I'm going to assume Kush was town and we have 5 mafia left, and I'm not going to read into the janitor or anything. Koshi getting hit was expected. Tehpoofter was one of my top town reads and I really liked his reads post during the night, I agreed with it very much. There are two sections of people we need to lynch in this game. They are inactive people who look scummy, and the semi-active people who look scummy. Most of the fairly active people appear at least somewhat townish and are in my townreads. I'm willing to accept that perhaps 1 maybe 2 are the active mafia and most are the inactive / semi-lurkish people in the thread. I would not mind lynching the following people today, in order of preference: Ketomai, Chairman Ray, SnB, Sandroba, MiF, maybe Ritoky. There are a few others that I have barely read into that should probably get the noose as well.
Ketomai is mafia for a few reasons. 1) The RoundaBound 'placeholder' vote. All relevant quotes and exposition are spoilered. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. Keto places a vote onto Round, claiming that of the two wagons, Round is more scummy than Exo. I find it interesting that Keto limits himself to these two wagons instead of placing a vote elsewhere. Who else did he find scummy in his first read through? As Ketomai would go onto explain, he does not even believe Round is mafia. On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. The justification for the round vote is incredibly mafia-like. Ketomai wants round and the thread to take his vote not seriously, claiming that he will change his vote. His vote is 'filler', a waste. Think of the intent behind these two quotes and vote. A town intent would suggest voting someone Keto believes is mafia in attempt to push him. A mafia intent involves 1) Survival (not being modkilled, good for town too but he makes the explicit notion of only voting for self-preservation). 2) Side-stepping responsibility, by casting his vote under the guise of 'filler' and claiming he will change it. 3) Avoiding the suspicion of Round; by ensuring him that he doesn't believe Round is mafia and he will most certainly 'change it up'. Keto attempts to appease Round by saying "disregard that vote", and that typically does not come from town. On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote:
How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia.
If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise.
Don't worry, lol.
This quote further reinforces that Keto does not believe the person he is voting is scum. The "If I were mafia bit" is rather ironic, and appeals to his own actions thus far in the game. Is not what he claims he would do as mafia, EXACTLY what he is doing? Keto is stashing away his vote on a bandwagon that is already gaining steam. Mafia want to lynch town (assuming round is town, i like the chances of this), and adding a vote 'in case something happens' to the town wagon only benefits mafia. It is convenient for mafia to place this vote because they can claim that 'something did happen' and I couldn't get home to change my vote. But I'm sorry he flipped town, I didn't even believe he was mafia. On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote:
By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia.
How's that? It's in writing ok? More appeasement of Round. The GUARANTEE that he will change his vote!!! This does not even PRESSURE Round. Town intent of this post is practically nonexistent. Mafia intent is to appease Round and to have an excuse to vote on his wagon. The bottom "How's that? It's in writing ok?" testifies to Keto's mindset: he seems a bit scared that he is being called out for the vote. 2) The "Everyone who wants to lynch me is mafia" Defense, and Scattershot + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. I have a few problems with this post. The first is he calls out everyone attacking him (THE ULTIMATE OMGUS  ), calling the discussion around him a topic of 'chaos'. If everyone simply wants to create more chaos, does that not mean they are all mafia? It makes little sense to claim that 'hanging onto' Ketomai creates chaos. If it did, then Keto could give us some samples of these mafia people, but he neglects to do so. Then, he claims that the town is being manipulated. Manipulated by who? Mafia? At first Keto claims the people hanging on are creating chaos (mafia), and then claims they are being manipulated (unfortunate townie). Such incongruity, what does he really believe? Seems like mafia making stuff up. It seems like a mafia gambit to lash out against the town for calling him out. It's scattershot, to say the least. He furthers his campaign by implying that these same people are not looking 'objectively' at the game, which essentially calls them bad. The entire post is steeped in a negative tone, calling the town bad, and they should lose the game if they lynch him. Doesn't appear very townie at all to me. In addition, he calls his own posts 'random comments'. If they are not relevant, and just 'random comments', then why make them? Town have a purpose to voting and making comments: to discern who is mafia. Mafia make random comments for no reason to appear active. I can think of one town intention to making this post: if the townie is very mad, and wants to make the point that the points against him are bad. This intention can also be that of scum. The manner by which he executes his post, however, appears to be that of mafia because of it's totally aggressive, generalizing, and omgus nature. On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. whos getting manipulated and where? you must provide quotes and scholarly sources. Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously. If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material.
I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage. What does Ketomai do in the bolded statement? He attempts to deflect pressure off of himself and onto Round and other townies pushing him. Apparently, Round and company are "trying to distract the town with useless material". This is just another snippet of Keto calling the points on him bad and putting the pressure back onto people he doesn't even believe are mafia. After these posts Ketomai takes a large haitus, KoC mafia gets lynched. I actually don't mind some of the posts that ensue. The reads on Sinani and Exo aren't out of the question, and I don't disagree with some of the brief analysis, but it is nothing stunning to me. He steps up his play which is a +1 in his favor. But I don't like this post: Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 03:43 ketomai wrote:On June 14 2014 03:00 mattisfoolish wrote:
Mz being vigi would explain his difference in play
Matt Don't have time to look into it but isn't this strange? Blues don't typically want to stand out. Generally they want to be indistinguishable to green townies. Even if you're town and you think he's a vigi, why would you attempt to identify him for the mafia? If you really thought he was a vigi, it'd actually be best to leave him be because he's useful to the mafia at the moment. The comment was totally unnecessary. If you're mafia, this could easily be a way to defend a fellow mafia by looking like you're doing work for the town and contributing when all you're doing is helping confuse people further. Let MZ defend himself. Blue talk, seems ironic that we shouldn't be talking about MZ being the vig, yet Keto is talking about MZ being the vig. Seems like an easy attack on MiF though. If MiF is town I really won't like this post. Some useless bussing speculation that won't have any relevance unless marv survives until endgame. Noticed this contradiction too: Keto's read on Koshi day 1: Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote:
Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia.
Keto's take on Koshi day 2: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 23:39 ketomai wrote:On June 15 2014 23:25 roundabound wrote:On June 15 2014 23:18 ketomai wrote:
1) The Palmar flip. He was already unbelievably likely to be townie. Now he's just a bit more.
2) Because I actually have a case on sinani and have made cases on other people. I am by no means tunneling him like he is tunneling me. I'm not even voting for him for an "easy" vote.
3) Nothing strong. Haru's case is stronger (see day 1 vote, see start of altercation) I can't shake this feeling. All your responses read to me like a guy that is prepared for an interview. All the token stuff I want hear. It perturbs me. I do agree between about hsaru though. Can I have your current assessment of koshi pls. ~moc And your accusations read like garbage (and it's not just me). I don't really care what you think because you don't even have a legit case because you're misreading (literally) almost everything. This is the last question I answer from you: I have not looked into Koshi. I also can't tell because people have said he's had a history of being stupid. His day 1 votes look town. His day 2 vote looks a little strange since he defended kush before and he's also made a play to swing the bandwagon momentum in a huge way for a shitty reason. I pretty much started ignoring him after his first content post. Keto leans mafia on Koshi day 1, but then on Day 2 he claims that Koshi's votes looked town? I assume Keto means Koshi ended up on KoC day 1, which indicates town. But previously, Keto was explaining how easy of a bus KoC could have been. Seems odd to me. What is most intriguing to me are these two sentences: " His day 2 vote looks a little strange since he defended kush before and he's also made a play to swing the bandwagon momentum in a huge way for a shitty reason. I pretty much started ignoring him after his first content post". Ketomai claims that he "pretty much started ignoring him after his first content post", and that he "hasn't looked into Koshi". But, somehow he knows EXACTLY what Koshi has been doing. He knows Koshi had a day 2 vote on Kush. He knows he made a play to swing bandwagon momentum for a 'shitty reason'. How can Ketomai know these things, and have an opinion on them, if he HASN'T LOOKED INTO KOSHI. How can he say this if he STARTED IGNORING HIM AFTER HIS FIRST CONTENT POST. Also, why would you ignore someone you originally had a scumread on? Day 1 Koshi was slightly scum, and Keto wanted to look more into him. This seems like a terrible incongruity and a lie. I like these reasons for Ketomai being mafia. His day 1 play was incredibly mafia-looking, and some of the stuff that's followed has either been null or mafia-oriented to me.
##Vote: Ketomai
Thank you!
Let's get something going.
##Vote: Ketomai
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On June 18 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
can you give any sort of reason why gumshoe shouldnt' be a wagon?
I think that gumshoe, after reading the cases on him and his filter, is definitely pretty scummy, and think he is definitely wagon-worth. However, I put my vote on ketomai because I think he is a better wagon because I've been suspicious of him since day one and pushing him since the beginning of day two. I don't like how he responded to pressure and he hasn't come back yet. Let's kill him today and probably gumshoe tomorrow. I do like the pressure on gumshoe caused by the wagon. Hopefully he will come defend himself before everyone starts switching to ketomai like they should. If he doesn't, I see zero reason he should be left alive.
With regards to MiF, I consider them as another option for tomorrow. We've given them enough time to justify the lurking, and neither has really responded to those claims. Seriously, at this point, you guys, an excuse is fine. Don't just ignore people asking where you are because you think that your answer won't be good enough. This far in the game, explain yourselves or get lynched.
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On June 18 2014 00:39 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
can you give any sort of reason why gumshoe shouldnt' be a wagon? I think that gumshoe, after reading the cases on him and his filter, is definitely pretty scummy, and think he is definitely wagon-worth. However, I put my vote on ketomai because I think he is a better wagon because I've been suspicious of him since day one and pushing him since the beginning of day two. I don't like how he responded to pressure and he hasn't come back yet. Let's kill him today and probably gumshoe tomorrow. I do like the pressure on gumshoe caused by the wagon. Hopefully he will come defend himself before everyone starts switching to ketomai like they should. If he doesn't, I see zero reason he should be left alive. With regards to MiF, I consider them as another option for tomorrow. We've given them enough time to justify the lurking, and neither has really responded to those claims. Seriously, at this point, you guys, an excuse is fine. Don't just ignore people asking where you are because you think that your answer won't be good enough. This far in the game, explain yourselves or get lynched.
should be wagon-worthy, not wagon-worth in the first sentence
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On June 18 2014 00:40 Rainbows wrote:
I like his point about gumshoe calling out keto but not calling him scum.
Must have missed that. I guess that helps the gumshoe case a little when ketomai flips red. That makes life a tad easier.
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On June 18 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 00:40 Rainbows wrote:
I like his point about gumshoe calling out keto but not calling him scum. in an ideal world, that'd make them both mafia
I've never played with gumshoe before. How experienced is he?
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On June 18 2014 06:55 mattisfoolish wrote:
ok so my buddy foolishness is correct, we think that sandroba is mafia, so marv, thats a fine vote right there if it said the right name.
secondly, gumshoe is probably mafia as well
i think obi is mafia, his posts during n2(?) were really really off putting to me, however my partnah disagrees and doesnt think so cause he's a silly willy
people who shouldnt be lynched until everyone else is dead include
marv, chrom, batsnacks, ticatica, round, CR, 27nb
thoughts on ketomai Matt?
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On June 18 2014 03:43 ketomai wrote:
##vote mattisfoolish
play the game.
PILE ON THIS GUY
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bats why are you still tunneling me
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On June 18 2014 12:12 batsnacks wrote:Because of that huge weird post about koshi mostly
I'm assuming you mean this one.
Weird?
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On June 18 2014 12:17 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 12:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 18 2014 12:12 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2014 12:07 sinani206 wrote:
bats why are you still tunneling me Because of that huge weird post about koshi mostly I'm assuming you mean this one. Weird? No the one before that. Here: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 17:05 sinani206 wrote:OK, well first of all, I have slight town leans on the people who have pushed/FoSed me so far (mostly toward the earlier stages of today) because I don't think that an organized scum team with at least one player who played with me before would be dumb enough to push me on day one because of my meta. (For those of you who don't know, I generally read scummy to most and am often lynched day one.) As an easy target, any mafia pushing me would probably lead to their deaths later in the game, being seen as pushing for an easy lynch. Again, although I ended up taking a few lines to type this paragraph out, this is just a little thing to not and is really not that consequential as of yet, especially because I haven't played in a while and there are a lot of new faces (to me) in this game. Secondly, just by catching up in the thread, not reading filters yet, I have red feelings on ketomai and Koshi. I'm going to read through the filters as I type this out and let you guys see my thought process as I analyze these two. I'm probably going to end up saying things a lot of others have already said, but bear with me. ketomai Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. Not the ideal first post. As others have said, one post --> vote and the whole two person race to get lynched idea is wishy washy in that he's trying to show that he's pressuring someone and he doesn't really want to contribute. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. Basically more of the same; placing a vote but saying it isn't important is like... I took way too long trying to find a simile. I'm sure you guys get it. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote:
How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia.
If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise.
Don't worry, lol.
Votes are for mafia. Killing town is mafia's win condition. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote:
Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care.
Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! I don't know how many times he has to say this, but I'm betting its going to be more than seven total. We're at four right now. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote:
By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia.
How's that? It's in writing ok? Five. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. "Hanging on" to you? I don't know what that means. You clearly have started the game; you've made a handful of posts and tried to contribute to discussion to some extent. Having suspicions on people like you is perfectly valid, and this poor substitute for a defense is not. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. whos getting manipulated and where? you must provide quotes and scholarly sources. Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously. If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material. I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage. Why post the garbage in the first place? And you were distracting town with useless material: you basically said so yourself, and you made six posts about the same thing where one would have sufficed. In conclusion, I'm not getting a townread at all here, but I'm not sure if this is scum either. I think so far, just in terms of timing and more under-the-surface feelings, you seem red, but I am willing to wait for the incoming "content-filled post" before I make a more concrete decision. Koshi And then he waits two hours. Actually though, I don't really see that as scummy, although some other people did, because in my mind, there's nothing wrong with waiting a little while before really jumping in to not have to deal with the early game bullshit. Some people just have shorter tempers and know from experience what the first few hours of mafia can be like. And he just could have been busy. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. Okay, so I'm not going to respond to the reads directly, because we're further into the game now, but he seems a little sure of them for so early and on his first post. I guess he read carefully. My main problem with this post is the early vote on TicaTica. This seems like an easy early vote based on how TicaTica was acting in thread before the game started, and in context the earlier reads in this post kind of seemed as merely something to stand on; Koshi seems to be inventing reads so that he can say that he has done more than go for an easy target. Additionally, I personally don't like sharing too many details about my townreads with the thread because it gives mafia a lot of information, so I kind of have a bias against people who do this, but I do read the first half of this post as I'm choosing a bunch of players that seem like they have actually done things so far to say I think are town. It seems like any four names might have gone there. Continuing the theme of not really discussing his town reads while seeming to be sure about them. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
Says the same thing. I dont understand the fourth line. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:02 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. I have no interest in answering too many questions this game. If I dislike their posting you will be notified in future Koshi posts. I noticed Sandroba first dislike of my post was around my townreads not being good enough. After that he replied that my townreads were town but I wasn't when he got backed up by other Koshi - haters. Interesting that was. Probably only "interesting" person out of marv/Jat/Robik/Poofter/Sandroba. Updates will follow later. Contentless. I just wasted thirty seconds looking for anything useful in this post. Pretty much the same thing as ketomai, expect less to go off of, but scummier in the process. Waiting for the next stage of your quest.
It seems that my brain decided to pick up on people who I needed to see more of to decide on. I guess I'll just have to wait and see in the morning. That was kind of a whole lot of effort seemingly wasted, but I don't want to just delete the whole post because I'm unsure about people. I want to get my thoughts out in the open so that we can discuss them. I don't think it was really necessary to do a double filter analysis on these two specifically after actually reading through each of their filters, but I guess it can't hurt town.
That was my early thoughts-while-I-read-filter post. My vote on Koshi was much more based on the post I just linked. This post was kind of just me saying I needed to see more of him to decide.
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By the way.
I just pulled up Palmar's point list in Excel, and with the one scum data point we have, and assuming kushm4sta was town to be safe, there are 7 names below KotC. I'm not saying that there are all five (or four) scum in there, but most the common reads that people have right now are in there. I think we should definitely lynch in this list.
- ketomai
- ritoky
- Holyflare
- sandroba
- strongandbig
- VayneAuthority
- mattisfoolish
I do think that Holyflare changed his play significantly from when Palmar made the list, so I guess we can leave him alive until we lynch through at least some of the others.
You might say that the point system is arbitrary, but it does seem to be working so far, so unless a bunch of outliers start appearing, it does seem to me like something that we as town can use to our advantage.
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On June 18 2014 12:48 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 12:28 sinani206 wrote:On June 18 2014 12:17 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2014 12:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 18 2014 12:12 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2014 12:07 sinani206 wrote:
bats why are you still tunneling me Because of that huge weird post about koshi mostly I'm assuming you mean this one. Weird? No the one before that. Here: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 17:05 sinani206 wrote:OK, well first of all, I have slight town leans on the people who have pushed/FoSed me so far (mostly toward the earlier stages of today) because I don't think that an organized scum team with at least one player who played with me before would be dumb enough to push me on day one because of my meta. (For those of you who don't know, I generally read scummy to most and am often lynched day one.) As an easy target, any mafia pushing me would probably lead to their deaths later in the game, being seen as pushing for an easy lynch. Again, although I ended up taking a few lines to type this paragraph out, this is just a little thing to not and is really not that consequential as of yet, especially because I haven't played in a while and there are a lot of new faces (to me) in this game. Secondly, just by catching up in the thread, not reading filters yet, I have red feelings on ketomai and Koshi. I'm going to read through the filters as I type this out and let you guys see my thought process as I analyze these two. I'm probably going to end up saying things a lot of others have already said, but bear with me. ketomai Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. Not the ideal first post. As others have said, one post --> vote and the whole two person race to get lynched idea is wishy washy in that he's trying to show that he's pressuring someone and he doesn't really want to contribute. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. Basically more of the same; placing a vote but saying it isn't important is like... I took way too long trying to find a simile. I'm sure you guys get it. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote:
How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia.
If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise.
Don't worry, lol.
Votes are for mafia. Killing town is mafia's win condition. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote:
Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care.
Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! I don't know how many times he has to say this, but I'm betting its going to be more than seven total. We're at four right now. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote:
By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia.
How's that? It's in writing ok? Five. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. "Hanging on" to you? I don't know what that means. You clearly have started the game; you've made a handful of posts and tried to contribute to discussion to some extent. Having suspicions on people like you is perfectly valid, and this poor substitute for a defense is not. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine. whos getting manipulated and where? you must provide quotes and scholarly sources. Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously. If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material. I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage. Why post the garbage in the first place? And you were distracting town with useless material: you basically said so yourself, and you made six posts about the same thing where one would have sufficed. In conclusion, I'm not getting a townread at all here, but I'm not sure if this is scum either. I think so far, just in terms of timing and more under-the-surface feelings, you seem red, but I am willing to wait for the incoming "content-filled post" before I make a more concrete decision. Koshi And then he waits two hours. Actually though, I don't really see that as scummy, although some other people did, because in my mind, there's nothing wrong with waiting a little while before really jumping in to not have to deal with the early game bullshit. Some people just have shorter tempers and know from experience what the first few hours of mafia can be like. And he just could have been busy. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. Okay, so I'm not going to respond to the reads directly, because we're further into the game now, but he seems a little sure of them for so early and on his first post. I guess he read carefully. My main problem with this post is the early vote on TicaTica. This seems like an easy early vote based on how TicaTica was acting in thread before the game started, and in context the earlier reads in this post kind of seemed as merely something to stand on; Koshi seems to be inventing reads so that he can say that he has done more than go for an easy target. Additionally, I personally don't like sharing too many details about my townreads with the thread because it gives mafia a lot of information, so I kind of have a bias against people who do this, but I do read the first half of this post as I'm choosing a bunch of players that seem like they have actually done things so far to say I think are town. It seems like any four names might have gone there. Continuing the theme of not really discussing his town reads while seeming to be sure about them. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
Says the same thing. I dont understand the fourth line. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:02 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. I have no interest in answering too many questions this game. If I dislike their posting you will be notified in future Koshi posts. I noticed Sandroba first dislike of my post was around my townreads not being good enough. After that he replied that my townreads were town but I wasn't when he got backed up by other Koshi - haters. Interesting that was. Probably only "interesting" person out of marv/Jat/Robik/Poofter/Sandroba. Updates will follow later. Contentless. I just wasted thirty seconds looking for anything useful in this post. Pretty much the same thing as ketomai, expect less to go off of, but scummier in the process. Waiting for the next stage of your quest.
It seems that my brain decided to pick up on people who I needed to see more of to decide on. I guess I'll just have to wait and see in the morning. That was kind of a whole lot of effort seemingly wasted, but I don't want to just delete the whole post because I'm unsure about people. I want to get my thoughts out in the open so that we can discuss them. I don't think it was really necessary to do a double filter analysis on these two specifically after actually reading through each of their filters, but I guess it can't hurt town. That was my early thoughts-while-I-read-filter post. My vote on Koshi was much more based on the post I just linked. This post was kind of just me saying I needed to see more of him to decide. It's only the first paragraph where you introduce your meta. You say that people often scumread you when you are town and you say that you are often killed day 1, as town. If you die a lot day 1, as town, you probably don't make many huge posts about reads. So a huge post about your reads, like that one, goes against the town meta you mentioned. You're going against the your town meta. It's that plus ever since that huge post your posts have been pretty short/consolidated.
I haven't played in over a year. Obviously I'm trying to be more active than I used to be. The meta I described is not something I want to adhere to, just something that an experienced scum team would know. It's actually pretty WiFoM=y, so looking back on it I don't really know why I mentioned it in the first place. I guess its because I had townreads on you and Chrom, and both of you were pushing me. Basically what I was trying to say was if you were scum, your scumteam would have had an experienced player who knew that pushing me on day one wasn't worth it, so pushing me made me think green. I probably should have just made it a separate post because having it be the introduction to my first actual contribution was kind of misleading.
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MiF wagon too easy and ketomai isn't getting lynched today I guess. We'll see if I'm able to get back before lynch.
##Vote: sandroba
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On June 19 2014 02:02 TicaTica wrote:
#vote chairman ray
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I guess I'm switching back to ketomai then. On phone BTW so might wait a few so I can get somewhere I can actually type the formatting.
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On June 19 2014 05:00 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2014 04:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
On now. Is there any chance to swing the vote another way before deadline? Looks pretty definitive, which also worries me. On June 19 2014 04:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up, I think we got a good lynch
Doesn't really make a difference, but
##Unvote
##Vote: MattIisfoolish Wut? This looks strikingly similar to day 1. In day 1, there was very little resistance to save KotC. This could mean that mafia didn't want to use their vote power until more towns were in favor of switching, or that SnB was mafia, and it was inevitable that a mafia was gonna be lynched that day. 1. In the first case, there wasn't a lot of sway to try to get people off KotC and back on SnB. However near the end, there was a useless bandwagon started on ritoky. It was pretty clear that the vote was either gonna be on SnB or KotC. I have a suspicion that Chrom might be mafia and tried to start this bandwagon as a last ditch effort. No other mafia tried to promote this wagon or vote on it, so they could be waiting for more town approval before doing so in order to avoid suspicion. 2. In the second case, if both SnB and KotC were mafia, it would also explain the ritoky votes. Regardless, if two mafia were up for lynch and there was little way to divert it, then it would make sense for there to be little resistance. Now looking back on today's vote, things look quite similar. When gumshoe and mif were about even, mif took off without much resistance. Then a couple useless votes came on me when it's obvious that it was either gonna be gumshoe of mif. I think it's very possible that mif is mafia, and tica is doing the same thing chrom was doing on day 1, or that both gumshoe and mif are mafia. I still would like to vote SnB, but mif is also a pretty good bet.
the point of this post at the deadline?
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On June 19 2014 05:02 Rainbows wrote:
Plz fliperino scumerino
no copy pasterino dongerino kapperino?
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On June 19 2014 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'd like to think that 3/3 are mafia and I just spearheaded a lynch on all 3 of them at once.
all you buddy
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1. ObiWanShinobi
3. ritoky
4. Rainbows
5. justanothertownie
7. ExO_
9. 27ninjabunnies
10. sinani206
15. Alakaslam
18. Chairman Ray
19. roundabound (Mocsta/IAmRobik Hydra)
21. strongandbig
23. marvellosity
24. Holyflare
25. TicaTica
26. ketomai
27. batsnacks
28. VayneAuthority
29. Chromatically
30. yamato77
what is that 19 people?
4/5 scum, 14/15 town?
i only have ketomai right now i need to go read more people
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I think a main problem might be that it's easier to push lurkers because their filters are shorter. I for one am going to read through all 18 filters of people that aren't me tonight, and post my thoughts either between when when I wake up and the daypost (the last third of nighttime).
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I own this shirt
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On June 19 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm just going to vote marv tomorrow.
At this point if you make a good enough case theres no impenetrable shield around him any more.
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On June 19 2014 10:56 batsnacks wrote:
Everyone should just vote their biggest town read tomorrow. Obviously what we've been doing isn't working we need to change it up.
you seem pretty intent on getting marv killed
yet you've never actually said what your problem with him is
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On June 19 2014 23:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
well I figured with 8 blue roles I would have something to analyze eventually but that is not happening for whatever reason
What does that even mean
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##Vote: ketomai
I'll be back later.
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I'm the tracker.
Chrom visited rainbows.
##Vote: chromatically
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Bunnies n2 no one
Round n3 no one
Missed n1 deadline
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Oh well I sent one in late n1 and got no response so I guess it doesn't matter either way
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27 sorry I'm on mobile ATM so i cant really go checkbut you're claiming vt right?
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1. ObiWanShinobi
3. ritoky cop
9. 27ninjabunnies vt
10. sinani206 tracker
15. Alakaslam
18. Chairman Ray
19. roundabound
21. strongandbig
24. Holyflare
27. batsnacks
28. VayneAuthority
29. Chromatically tracker
idk i just need to see it visually
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Writing claims down not what I think yet. Just add whatever role you are claiming to the list.
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So is anybody else going to claim like they keep saying they will or what
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This post is an attempt of me trying to find a scumteam of four or five based on ritoky and VayneAuthority being the first two.
Here we go:
I'm going to ignore ritoky's early game Chromatically stuff until later, because it seems null to me, at least until I read a bit more.
In this post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, MarvOther town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:39 Holyflare wrote:
Look, we vote sandroba because not playing the game is his mafia meta. We vote kush because he's actually playing his mafia game. We look at poofters play in the last bit of today because he is playing to his mafia meta atm. We can look at gumshoe because he really isn't doing anything and his posts have been contentless and not driven to solving things but rather just agreeing with people that something looks weird. We probably push snb because his posts are non posts and he's afking the day pretty much too, his flip would also give loads of info.
The people making these long tunnel cases chrom, rainbiws, haru etc etc are most probably town and they're all so tunneled they are ignoring the actual people doing scummy things To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives? Because he's done nothing and slipped my mind? I also don't know him well enough to say an alignment. And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
i got a teamliquid message that people are mentioning my name in this thread, what the hell guys you woke up my alarm i was sleeping fuckin teamliquidz Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hrs.
This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.
The three people he gives reads on who are alive are his green roundabound, green lean on Holyflare, and red on Chairman Ray. Let's compare these to thread consensus at the time. They are basically all exactly what town was thinking at the time he posted this, except for the green lean on Holy. That is what begins to make me possibly suspicious of Holyflare. Additionally, the red CR read could be a bus. As for roundabound, I think I'm going to need something a little more definite, or maybe something in VA's play.
He then says he has a lack of time to make a case on CR, which increases my suspicioun there.
Then there's all this spammy shit with the claim. Since I'm basically convinced ritoky is scum after this stuff, there would be a pretty high chance of a bunnies bus since he called her scum, but I think I'll leave her alone for another day, because I checked her and she was immobile N2. His other check (Chrom) is a big fucking pile of steaming WifoM and I think that there's a pretty good chance of two trackers this game. So Chromatically gets left alone for now too.
So basically, CR.
But as I was reading through ritoky's filter, I was reminded of a few very good reasons why strongandbig could be scum. I'll actually just add his filter to this post at the end.
We got 4 now, but let's read through VA's filter.
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Holy shit, worse than cancer. I'm a lot surer now, especially with all the associative shit with ritoky from today so far.
strongandbigtime
Cats vote on day one is so scummy
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2014 02:52 strongandbig wrote:
oh right voting for cats
##vote: thekingofthecats
So are the rest of his votes actually, now that I'm done reading, but I don't need to quote all of them.
The point is, he's useless.
So that's four. I think the fifth could be one of
Holyflare
roundabound
ObiWanShinobi
So, ritoky for now, I guess.
##Vote: ritoky
What do you guys think? I'm definitely open to other people's thoughts on this.
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On June 23 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
as I said.. mafia kp is factional so whether you tracked someone and they did an action or not does not make them town so your role is effectively meh at this point in the game, at no point in time anywhere in that post does he call me town, in fact it's quite the opposite he calls me mafia
if ritoky is mafia why would he claim cop and red check his own team mate (bunnies) and then call her mafia that is the worst conclusion to draw from that! Not only would mafia ritoky have to guess that there would be no ACTUAL cop in the game but then he'd be sacrificing his own team mate (bunnies) for no reason whatsoever either
I never said bunnies was scum
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On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum.
read the posts after he supposedly decided his claim wasn't fun anymore. it's almost certainly scum trying to make light of a fuckup.
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I think that slam has a pretty good chance of slam being JK based on the vet claim, and although I did rescind my initial vote on Chrom, I didn't have him or slam in my scum team, and quite obviously one of them is mafia. So I think of the two, I'm more inclined to vote for Chrom. But I'm not inclined that the chance of that logic being right is greater than ritoky being scum.
Ritoky. You need to DEFEND YOURSELF if you are town and this is LYLO. Otherwise, there's no reason for any of us to unvote you.
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On June 24 2014 00:40 sinani206 wrote:
I think that slam has a pretty good chance of slam being JK based on the vet claim, and although I did rescind my initial vote on Chrom, I didn't have him or slam in my scum team, and quite obviously one of them is mafia. So I think of the two, I'm more inclined to vote for Chrom. But I'm not inclined that the chance of that logic being right is greater than ritoky being scum.
Ritoky. You need to DEFEND YOURSELF if you are town and this is LYLO. Otherwise, there's no reason for any of us to unvote you.
that first sentence lol
should be I think that slam has a pretty good chance of being JK
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On June 24 2014 05:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:03 roundabound wrote:
Like, he's clearly just making shit up and posting random tidbits cause he has nothing to fucking contribute. He's either the dumbest town to ever play on TL* or he's mafia.
*I was his coach in his first newbie game. He's not the dumbest town to play on TL. what did i make up? from my understanding now you have to submit who you're janitoring in the night phase. so in order to janitor a mafia teammate, you would have to anticipate them dying in the night, and pre-emptively janitor them. it's not like the mod sends you a list of people dying after they have been killed and you get to pick one. at least in the process the mod described.
It was fairly obvious that vig was gunning for him. You would have known that if you had read the thread. Whether he was town or mafia, there was definitely incentive to use the janitor shot on him.
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On June 24 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 24 2014 05:15 ritoky wrote:
well that post messed up lol The five people are Me- Vanilla Town VA- on my mafia scum list Chrom- Tracker Claim Sinani- Tracker claim Holyflare- top town read outside of claims So that's 4 town, and 1 possible mafia bus from my pov. i agree that you and holyflare are aligned, you have both been pushing lynches on lurkers all game.
yeah that makes them the same for sure i agree 100%
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On June 24 2014 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
Ok reading cr's post I get why my argument means I should vote nb - it's true that chromatically can't be scum without bunnies being scum.
I will vote either bunnies or holy flare over ritocky, I feel like scum is pushing ritocky hard as the last mislynch they need to win.
##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies
which scum
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On June 24 2014 23:45 roundabound wrote:
If you lynch bunnies over ritoky I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
i was about to agree except i realifzed that if that happened the game would be over anyway so yeah
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On June 25 2014 04:14 Chairman Ray wrote:
We need to consolidate. We can't have 3 wagons here or else mafia will win the lynch.
so consolidate on the popular target
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less than 4 minutes.
well this should be interesting
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6-5 or 7-4.
I'm probably going to die tonight.
If it's 6-5 game is already over.
If it's 7-4 tomorrow is actual lylo.
If it's 6-5 Holyflare is town.
If it's 7-4 Holyflare is mafia.
I'm going to check Alakaslam
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HOSTS I DONT WANT TO GO FIND THE PM BUTTON SO I'M CHECKING ALAKSLAM JUST PM ME TO CONFIRM. <3
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On June 25 2014 05:05 Amiko wrote:
Ensure you PM all night actions to all hosts & cohosts.
fine
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On June 25 2014 05:18 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:05 Chairman Ray wrote:
Kush 100% confirmed mafia now, or else game would be over. jailkeeper might get a hero save, hosts cant end it just in case that happens
scum still has 2kp though so they would have to stack them on the jk'd person
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On June 25 2014 05:20 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:18 strongandbig wrote:On June 25 2014 05:05 Chairman Ray wrote:
Kush 100% confirmed mafia now, or else game would be over. jailkeeper might get a hero save, hosts cant end it just in case that happens scum still has 2kp though so they would have to stack them on the jk'd person
which isn't realistic, so we should assume that there are only 4 left
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On June 25 2014 05:20 strongandbig wrote:
oh wait nevermind if its 6-5 then even if there's a hero save we lose
if it's 7-4 then with no save we go to 5-4 and with a save we go to 6-4
so yeah kush has to have been mafia?
theres no point assuming otherwise, so yes
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On June 25 2014 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
oh wait no - okay so if it's 6-5 and there's a save it goes to 5-5, then if town all votes a scum before all the scum vote a town the scum gets lynched first for getting to 5 votes soonest, then it's 5-4, and if there's another save it goes to 4-4, and so on
so even if it's 6-5 there's a way town could win and hosts can't end the game.
mafia wins with equal numbers even with power roles in the game
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On June 25 2014 05:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:24 sinani206 wrote:On June 25 2014 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
oh wait no - okay so if it's 6-5 and there's a save it goes to 5-5, then if town all votes a scum before all the scum vote a town the scum gets lynched first for getting to 5 votes soonest, then it's 5-4, and if there's another save it goes to 4-4, and so on
so even if it's 6-5 there's a way town could win and hosts can't end the game. mafia wins with equal numbers even with power roles in the game where does it say that??
isnt that the standard rule?
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On June 25 2014 05:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:26 sinani206 wrote:On June 25 2014 05:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2014 05:24 sinani206 wrote:On June 25 2014 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
oh wait no - okay so if it's 6-5 and there's a save it goes to 5-5, then if town all votes a scum before all the scum vote a town the scum gets lynched first for getting to 5 votes soonest, then it's 5-4, and if there's another save it goes to 4-4, and so on
so even if it's 6-5 there's a way town could win and hosts can't end the game. mafia wins with equal numbers even with power roles in the game where does it say that?? isnt that the standard rule? if it's plurality and town can win if mafia fuck up i don't see why it should end if we can just rush votes onto a mafia?
What is the mafia win condition?
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On June 25 2014 05:29 Holyflare wrote:it's normally Show nested quote +
Mafia win when they outnumber town, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Oh nvm then
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On June 25 2014 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
alright change of plans, jailkeeper claims so we can confirm chromatically is mafia right now and all agree to vote him asap.
explain logic here please
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On June 26 2014 05:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 05:10 roundabound wrote:
mafia team prolly something like: Chrom, CR, Holy/SnB/VA
Man, I really don't wanna live in the world that bunnies is mafia.
We have to lynch perfectly from here on out That world doesn't even exist. We lynch SNB for sure. There is no world where SNB isn't mafia.
this whether you are or not
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Why is the vote in the 1/2 (50%) pool instead of the 3/5 (60%) pool.
##Vote: strongandbig
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On June 26 2014 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 08:33 sinani206 wrote:
Why is the vote in the 1/2 (50%) pool instead of the 3/5 (60%) pool.
##Vote: strongandbig To me it isn't 1/2, it is 1/1 There is no doubt in my mind, there should be no doubt in yours.
well not from your pov
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On June 26 2014 09:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
Looking through Chrom's filter, the biggest alignment indicator is his tracker claim.
If he's a real tracker, then his claim is simple, and everything checks out. This would have to mean that Alakaslam is mafia.
However if Chrom mafia, then we have to look at why he fakeclaimed. We can split this into two scenarios where 27nb is mafia and where 27nb is town. If 27nb is mafia and Chrom is godfather, then at that moment they would probably think that Ritoky is the real cop. Chrom fakeclaimed as a way to save 27nb and try to get a mislynch on the cop. Ritoky's claim was pretty stupid anyways, so mafia could easily win the argument. However if Chrom is either vanilla mafia or knows that 27nb is town, then he would already know that Ritoky is fakeclaiming. There is absolutely no need for Chrom to fakeclaim against Ritoky, because there already exists a cop that will counterclaim, producing the exact same result. Chrom fakeclaiming in this situation would just be meaningless suicide.
So we can split possible mafia scenarios into two buckets:
#1
Chromatically - Mafia godfather
27ninjabunnies - Mafia
Alakaslam - Town vet
#2
Alakaslam - Mafia
Chromatically - Town tracker
does gf have visits?
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Chrom I actually am feeling slam over snb right now so Iet's fucking do it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam
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On June 26 2014 17:15 Holyflare wrote:
You guys on chrom be dumb. 0 reason for chrom to fake claim tracker in that situation because not only would it get ritoky lynched but 2 mafia would also die if he flipped cop, not to mention the only way he'd fake claim that was if he was gf but he visited someone so he isn't. Unless you're saying he fake claimed miller to get a vt killed which he'd know because he got green checked which would make 0 sense whatsoever.
Slam has to be mafia.
fucking this
slam you're not proving anything right now
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On June 27 2014 00:41 Alakaslam wrote:
If town is willing to cede PM the mods.
Because that is you boneheads definition of contribution
I am doing this now
lol
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YOU'RE NOT EVEN SET TO BE LYNCHED AND THERE'S OVER A DAY LEFT
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On June 27 2014 01:34 Holyflare wrote:
Bunnies. There's guaranteed mafia in slam/sinani/chrom and you're saying chrom is town and sinani tracked him to correct location so he's probably town. So why aren't you voting for slam but instead saying you like him.
this too
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On June 27 2014 01:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:34 Holyflare wrote:
Bunnies. There's guaranteed mafia in slam/sinani/chrom and you're saying chrom is town and sinani tracked him to correct location so he's probably town. So why aren't you voting for slam but instead saying you like him. Because, didn't Slam rescind his claim of vet? Unless Im mistaken and read wrong, but I thought he said he was just trying to take a bullet.
he didnt
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from a purely mathematical perspective this where we are
1 confirmed town
from my pov, i see one scum between slam and chrom (50%) and 3 out of the other 6 (50%)
1 blue-claiming town
pov: other claim is 100% scum, out the rest, 50%
3 vt-claiming town
pov: 50% between the first two, 60% between other green claims (3 of 5)
now, all we need to do is lynch a mafia. lets treat all scum equally for a sec.
the average for lynching between slam and chrom is (4*50+100)/5, which is 60%
on the other hand, lynching between the towns is (3*60+2*50)/5, which is 56%
These percentages aren't even factoring in that by successfully lynching out of those two, we confirm the other.
It makes more sense to lynch between slam and chrom.
It makes more sense to lynch slam.
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Yeah unless something crazy happens I'm going to be on slam so you guys should all switch.
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On June 27 2014 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
I'll switch to 27nb in a heartbeat
I just think that chrom is more likely scum than slam
Think about this - what's the likelyhood of having two trackers when they could only possibly track two out of six scum?
The likelyhood of having two millers and zero alignment cops?
Also think about this - what are the odds chrom just coincidentally happens to get tracked to an nk target on the night when we know scum used a pr to do a nightkill? Like, he was tracked to a nightkill! That is a way better reason to just straight up lynch someone than "because he fakeclaimed", which you people thought was sufficient to lynch ritocky for. This is the tracker equivalent of a red check but you guys want to lynch slam?
thats actually not a bad point, but assumptions about the game setup can be weird and stuff, also chrom claimed tracker a day before i claimed and outed my result.
I think chrom needs to explain why he tracked Rainbows.
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On June 28 2014 00:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:45 Chromatically wrote:
Can people at least consider my play this game compared to Slam's? We've been talking about claim stuff but no one's even looked at my play and thought about whether it's townie or not. Slam has played like scum. I have played like town. It's as simple as that. I think you are town. Hence why my vote is not on you.
can you consolidate because i had a pretty strong townread on you until today
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On June 28 2014 01:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:19 sinani206 wrote:On June 28 2014 00:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 28 2014 00:45 Chromatically wrote:
Can people at least consider my play this game compared to Slam's? We've been talking about claim stuff but no one's even looked at my play and thought about whether it's townie or not. Slam has played like scum. I have played like town. It's as simple as that. I think you are town. Hence why my vote is not on you. can you consolidate because i had a pretty strong townread on you until today Consolidate what?
you're the only person voting for snb
switch to at least slam, preferably chrom
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On June 28 2014 01:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:28 sinani206 wrote:On June 28 2014 01:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 28 2014 01:19 sinani206 wrote:On June 28 2014 00:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 28 2014 00:45 Chromatically wrote:
Can people at least consider my play this game compared to Slam's? We've been talking about claim stuff but no one's even looked at my play and thought about whether it's townie or not. Slam has played like scum. I have played like town. It's as simple as that. I think you are town. Hence why my vote is not on you. can you consolidate because i had a pretty strong townread on you until today Consolidate what? you're the only person voting for snb switch to at least slam, preferably chrom Did you not see my post early? I rather not vote a person i think is town. Plus I have 4ish hours until deadline. If someone gives me an actual good case on why Chrom is mafia or Slam is mafia, then maybe I'll switch my vote. Until then, my vote stays on who I think is mafia.
there are 8 blues
so vote for me
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because i had a townread on you and liked your analysis but then the whole 8 power role thing was brought up and i looked at slam again and then i did the math. basically a lot of reasons
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On June 28 2014 01:52 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 6: Chromatically (4): VayneAuthority, Alakaslam, roundabound, strongandbig Alakaslam (5): Chromatically, Chairman Ray, sinani206, Holyflare, 27ninjabunnies strongandbig (0): 27ninjabunnies, sinani206Not voting (0): No one.
Currently Alakaslam is set to be lynched with 5 votes! Day will end in [countdown]June 27 2014 16:00 EDT[/coauntdown]
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I hope you guys understand that if there is a single mafia out of the five currently voting for slam the vote can be changed up until EoD. If you are town and still on chrom, switch please.
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I had suspicions about you two the whole game, since the way you played day one, but I went with the easier option of slam. I guess that's something I need to work on in the future. Sometimes the easiest target is just a townie who is much more worried about town winning the game than defending himself well. Additionally, I think I let Chromatically off too easy after way he answered why he tracked Rainbows and I should have just switched the vote over. At about an hour before lynch today, I saw 27's post and was about to just say fuck it and switch but I think I had just given up mentally. Whatever. We still would have had to lynch right for a few days. Well played scumteam.
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Oh yeah, and I want to apologize to slam personally. Sorry buddy. It was no fault in your playstyle at all, I just was looking at it wrong in my head.
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On June 28 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:
I got so much shit for my Chrom read. So much shit.
Fuck you all. retards.
lol
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EPT
