On June 11 2014 17:05 sinani206 wrote:OK, well first of all, I have slight town leans on the people who have pushed/FoSed me so far (mostly toward the earlier stages of today) because I don't think that an organized scum team with at least one player who played with me before would be dumb enough to push me on day one because of my meta. (For those of you who don't know, I generally read scummy to most and am often lynched day one.) As an easy target, any mafia pushing me would probably lead to their deaths later in the game, being seen as pushing for an easy lynch. Again, although I ended up taking a few lines to type this paragraph out, this is just a little thing to not and is really not that consequential as of yet, especially because I haven't played in a while and there are a lot of new faces (to me) in this game.
Secondly, just by catching up in the thread, not reading filters yet, I have red feelings on ketomai and Koshi. I'm going to read through the filters as I type this out and let you guys see my thought process as I analyze these two. I'm probably going to end up saying things a lot of others have already said, but bear with me.
ketomai
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.
I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.
This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone.
Not the ideal first post. As others have said, one post --> vote and the whole two person race to get lynched idea is wishy washy in that he's trying to show that he's pressuring someone and he doesn't really want to contribute.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations.
Basically more of the same; placing a vote but saying it isn't important is like... I took way too long trying to find a simile. I'm sure you guys get it.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote:
How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia.
If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise.
Don't worry, lol.
Votes are for mafia. Killing town is mafia's win condition.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote:
Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care.
Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now!
I don't know how many times he has to say this, but I'm betting its going to be more than seven total. We're at four right now.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote:
By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia.
How's that? It's in writing ok?
Five.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine.
"Hanging on" to you? I don't know what that means. You clearly have started the game; you've made a handful of posts and tried to contribute to discussion to some extent. Having suspicions on people like you is perfectly valid, and this poor substitute for a defense is not.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine.
whos getting manipulated and where?
you must provide quotes and scholarly sources.
Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously.
If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material.
I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage.
Why post the garbage in the first place? And you were distracting town with useless material: you basically said so yourself, and you made six posts about the same thing where one would have sufficed.
In conclusion, I'm not getting a townread at all here, but I'm not sure if this is scum either. I think so far, just in terms of timing and more under-the-surface feelings, you seem red, but I am willing to wait for the incoming "content-filled post" before I make a more concrete decision.
Koshi
And then he waits two hours. Actually though, I don't really see that as scummy, although some other people did, because in my mind, there's nothing wrong with waiting a little while before really jumping in to not have to deal with the early game bullshit. Some people just have shorter tempers and know from experience what the first few hours of mafia can be like. And he just could have been busy.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi:
Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever.
On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves
another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg.
On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg
Try English.
And Logic.
But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like
roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting.
hows the weather up there?
On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again.
Gonna have to CC you
hear I also rolled town.
hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help
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Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town .
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys.
On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves
another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg.
I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum
You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.
##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.
The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time.
I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me
. What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks.
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Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages.
This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game.
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Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me
. What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar.
If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet.
Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last.
Nailed you, bitch.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb.
On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared.
Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote
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Chromatically:
I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him.
tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg
On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good.
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
##Vote: sinani206 :
Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll.
On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy.
On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?
Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.
In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.
and therefore your conclusion?
I think it's kinda scummy.
I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p
on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books.
Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik.
well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though.
Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity.
Okay, so I'm not going to respond to the reads directly, because we're further into the game now, but he seems a little sure of them for so early and on his first post. I guess he read carefully. My main problem with this post is the early vote on TicaTica. This seems like an easy early vote based on how TicaTica was acting in thread before the game started, and in context the earlier reads in this post kind of seemed as merely something to stand on; Koshi seems to be inventing reads so that he can say that he has done more than go for an easy target.
Additionally, I personally don't like sharing too many details about my townreads with the thread because it gives mafia a lot of information, so I kind of have a bias against people who do this, but I do read the first half of this post as I'm choosing a bunch of players that seem like they have actually done things so far to say I think are town. It seems like any four names might have gone there.
Continuing the theme of not really discussing his town reads while seeming to be sure about them.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
Says the same thing. I dont understand the fourth line.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:02 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them?
Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me.
I have no interest in answering too many questions this game. If I dislike their posting you will be notified in future Koshi posts. I noticed Sandroba first dislike of my post was around my townreads not being good enough. After that he replied that my townreads were town but I wasn't when he got backed up by other Koshi - haters. Interesting that was. Probably only "interesting" person out of marv/Jat/Robik/Poofter/Sandroba.
Updates will follow later.
Contentless. I just wasted thirty seconds looking for anything useful in this post.
Pretty much the same thing as ketomai, expect less to go off of, but scummier in the process. Waiting for the next stage of your quest.
It seems that my brain decided to pick up on people who I needed to see more of to decide on. I guess I'll just have to wait and see in the morning. That was kind of a whole lot of effort seemingly wasted, but I don't want to just delete the whole post because I'm unsure about people. I want to get my thoughts out in the open so that we can discuss them. I don't think it was really necessary to do a double filter analysis on these two specifically after actually reading through each of their filters, but I guess it can't hurt town.
EPT
