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On June 12 2014 05:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually
Hmm.
*looks at Haru*
hmmmmmm Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit. first game or not, the difference is striking. how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then? For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2. that's a totally incorrect lesson to take. Also not what I was referring to with regards to how you're playing. Anyway I'm going to sit on this for a while and see what happens. I'm pretty tempted to vote for you though, which I guess must be quite annoying for you because i haven't specified why. but i'm not going to right now. maybe i should read your filter ;D
What defines a correct lesson exactly?
From my 1 game experience, I already know not to streamline my play to town|haru or scum|haru so that people can go 'town|haru dont do this so hes scum'. Meta is what I fear.
You can say I play pessimistic this game and that will be correct. I would have lost the previous game if I let others influence me into a mislynch. (Nothing to do with amiko).
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On June 12 2014 05:45 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:42 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 05:37 sinani206 wrote:
Caught up again, and keto hasn't posted since my filter analysis, so I'll talk a little about Koshi and why I'm going to vote for him.
First of all, in general I don't really like process of elimination as a means to "solving the game." Especially on day 1. The amount of null reads you are going to have is kind of going to screw with that. Additionally, process of elimination seems like it could be a method for scum to use because it would take a lot of effort for town to do effectively while taking much less for a mafia member because they know people's alignment.
He says he wants to try a new playstyle, which alone I certainly have no problem with, but the one he chose seems to not help town very much. How is not responding to questions asked of you and refusal to participate in discussion pro-town?
I don't like his analysis of Chromatically. The "way he entered the thread" was fine to me and as I said before I'm leaning town on him. And I'm kind of confused as to what his point is with that section of his post. He calls us scrubs for thinking Chromatically isn't scum and then says that he doesn't think he is scum either in the tl;dr.
And the MZ case seems forced. The whole "he needs to be watched" thing to voting him seems like a chain missing a few links.
Then he says he's going to be friendly, posts a few one liners, and then complains that people are hating on him for being "tryhard" when he has put about two posts with anything that resembles effort into this game. It seems like he's pretending he's tryhard by saying it a lot.
Try harder.
##Vote: Koshi So why am I scum exactly? Give me the bullet points. [*]All of your analyses seemed forced [*]The plays you have made so far are much easier for scum to make than town [*]Refusing to participate in discussion [*]Lack of defense [*]Making sure everyone knows how invested you are in the game
- It's not forced at all. There is actual logic behind all my reads. If you mean I am reaching a bit with my cases... Hmm maybe. a tiny bit as Chrom pointed out.
- The easiest way to play as scum is staying out the spotlight and make sure you don't get lynched. I wouldn't say I am doing that.
- Will change from now on.
- Disagree. I can't defend myself against cases that base themselves on me being desperate grasping for reads. The reads I made are reads I believe in and I made them as town. Simple.
- Hmm. How invested is that? I am not saying I am super invested or something. Tryhard for me = going solely for reads = ignore banter.
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On June 12 2014 05:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually
Hmm.
*looks at Haru*
hmmmmmm Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit. first game or not, the difference is striking. how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then? For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2. Haru, did you just claim power role?
Why are you more interested in theorizing if I claimed a power role over the actual message? Hmm...
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If power role is the only thing you see, scum is the only thing I see.
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On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives.
mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced.
Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.)
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On June 12 2014 05:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.)
Don't lump me together with them, this is my second game here and I only played with chrom, who died quick. (Shot d1). I literally have no meta reads on anyone too.
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On June 12 2014 05:36 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:32 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Different places have different meta, I guess. On the mafias that I used to play (warcraft 3 custom map mafia), the meta was to shittalk as much as you can d1 and lynch the guy who is the most serious. Tl mafia's meta is to over analyse everyone d1, get on a policy lynch wagon and cry. Don't shit-talk something you don't understand. TL towns over the past 6-9 months have had an abnormally high hit-rate on mafia day 1. Probably because of this pressure that is put on votes, causing overreaction for some who are not used to it. By how this thread is developing, I doubt we will get a good d1 lynch outside of a policy lynch on a mafia. Not enough materials to work on.
40 pages of thread is not enough material
What the hijole
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Afternoon Folks catching up. Holy crap gumshoe made a post that wasn't a case or wasn't 30 minutes before deadline....+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / : + Show Spoiler +Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer
Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it?
Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too.
Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam?
Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character.
bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie?
Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him
Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish?
Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering
Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations.
Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda?
Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding?
Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him
Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say.
Kush= null
Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him.
Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish
Bill murray= Insane
Yamato is fearless= town
Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality. Dont like this post by Chairman Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me: On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean? tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts? vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS? sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player? exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Why is this suspicious behavior? Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts? TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread? What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself. When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.) Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man
The notes and stuff seems pretty villagery I don't agree with the read on charman but his mindset seems townie. I'd love to see an active gumshoe like in Cell Mafia I. Plz don't lurk.
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On June 12 2014 05:52 HaruRH wrote:
If power role is the only thing you see, scum is the only thing I see.
So, you do or you don't understand why I thought you just claimed power role?
Also medic on Haru please.
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On June 12 2014 05:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:26 ExO_ wrote:
Gumshoe, I don't see what makes you think I'm afraid to give out opinions on people. I think the vast majority of what's happening so far is silly speculation based on virtually nothing. I have no desire to join the super psycho-analyst club and explain why every little post means you either scum or town. When I've had opinions on people I've voiced them so far.
Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.)
that's silly, i'll probably change my mind 100 times over the course of the game, that's part of playing mafia
it's through seeing your opinions and the reasons behind them that people can get a good read on you, and changing your mind doesn't undermine anything.
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On June 12 2014 05:40 Koshi wrote:
Those other 2 names in your post, Rainbows and TicaTica, those are the people that are interesting.
Is true. I am very interesting. Rainbows likely town.
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On June 12 2014 05:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually
Hmm.
*looks at Haru*
hmmmmmm Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit. first game or not, the difference is striking. how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then? For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2. Haru, did you just claim power role?
Lolwat
N1 everyone!!!
Discuss
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On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong.
I am going to go with everybody else.
I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.
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i have the sickest meta-read on poof, although i should probably check it remains true after cell 2
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On June 12 2014 06:01 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:52 HaruRH wrote:
If power role is the only thing you see, scum is the only thing I see. So, you do or you don't understand why I thought you just claimed power role? Also medic on Haru please.
Spell it out for me.
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Hey hey hey
Medics on me folks I am more important
I said N1 ppl watch out
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I gonna get checks early cause it ain't TL
So I wanna cop for n1
Yesssssss
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On June 12 2014 06:07 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 06:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 12 2014 05:52 HaruRH wrote:
If power role is the only thing you see, scum is the only thing I see. So, you do or you don't understand why I thought you just claimed power role? Also medic on Haru please. Spell it out for me.
Only power roles have night actions and scum claiming doesn't exist.
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On June 12 2014 06:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 06:07 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 06:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 12 2014 05:52 HaruRH wrote:
If power role is the only thing you see, scum is the only thing I see. So, you do or you don't understand why I thought you just claimed power role? Also medic on Haru please. Spell it out for me. Only power roles have night actions and scum claiming doesn't exist.
Read page 20-30 bro
And lololol why does him saying throw out his reads N1 mean he has actions? No it is because he say n1, as I also say n1!!! Watch out bros TL blue value comin' back strong!!!
Mattisfoolish get in here man we need your speech about overvaluing blues
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On June 12 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:12 batsnacks wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten . Post by post is pretty bad actually, usually. Marv you need new adjectives. "Bad" and "terrible" are getting stale. you are just atrocious appalling despicable awful your hair smells of feces your aura has the consistency of sewage
Hurray on the ability of being able to use a thesaurus! You should try using your vote.
The voting thread is bleh 17 out of 30 people voting half way through the day. I know its not a majority lynch but we still need to get something going on someone, preferably 2 someones. Letting the leading vote getter being under 10 votes is just silly and easily manipulated by wolves.
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