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ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 11 2014 01:41 GMT
#861
I did say that kush, exactly as he quoted it
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 01:42 GMT
#862
yeah but how is that an omgus? it woudl be an omgus if i suspected you after you suspected me. but i voted you before you even mentioned me.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 11 2014 01:44 GMT
#863
and to further elaborate, what I was saying was odd was that you voted me, but I didn't see you posting. So I called you out for voting without posting anything, and them BAM suddenly you've posted several times. Looks to me like mafia just voting on a bandwagon, then getting called out for not posting, and posting a lot as a result
TicaTica
Profile Joined June 2014
Costa Rica194 Posts
June 11 2014 01:47 GMT
#864
On June 11 2014 10:39 Bill Murray wrote:
That's ME as mafia haha

Ironic that you say. I did no enjoy you're reads but I still think you village.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
June 11 2014 01:47 GMT
#865
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 01:49 GMT
#866
On June 11 2014 10:44 ExO_ wrote:
and to further elaborate, what I was saying was odd was that you voted me, but I didn't see you posting. So I called you out for voting without posting anything, and them BAM suddenly you've posted several times. Looks to me like mafia just voting on a bandwagon, then getting called out for not posting, and posting a lot as a result


k but that's not an omgus
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 01:50 GMT
#867
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.


are you impressed with his reads so far?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
June 11 2014 01:54 GMT
#868
On June 11 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.


are you impressed with his reads so far?

Don't know what his reads are. Pretty much just calling him my top town.
Like, I don't know that I agree with him that ExO is maf. I don't know about his Koshi read, but kinda agree with it. I'm wishy washy as shit about Koshi. I agree with him 100% that I'm town. Agree Chrome is town.

Turns out I know what most of his reads are. Mine don't exactly align with his, but they're close.
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 11 2014 01:59 GMT
#869
I suck at hydraing

On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.

On June 11 2014 10:54 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.


are you impressed with his reads so far?

Don't know what his reads are. Pretty much just calling him my top town.
Like, I don't know that I agree with him that ExO is maf. I don't know about his Koshi read, but kinda agree with it. I'm wishy washy as shit about Koshi. I agree with him 100% that I'm town. Agree Chrome is town.

Turns out I know what most of his reads are. Mine don't exactly align with his, but they're close.

Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 11 2014 02:01 GMT
#870
round you are robik right?
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 02:02 GMT
#871
why would you sheep your top town?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 11 2014 02:02 GMT
#872
On June 11 2014 10:32 Bill Murray wrote:
exo + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 10:28 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:21 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:17 ExO_ wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:49 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:47 ExO_ wrote:
I haven't seen kushm4sta say a thing, but he's voted in the voting thread. Seems scummy to me


ya i might be scum lol. dunno yet


Did you really OMGUS vote EXO? or heaven forbid do you have a reason for it?


I have no idea what OMGUS means, but he voted without saying anything. I don't see a good reason to do that at this point in the game, so I said as much. No need to be a dick about it :/


My post was directed at Kushmasta not you. OMGUS=Oh My God You Suck basically its when someone calls you scummy and you respond by calling them scummy for calling you scummy.

How do you feel about yamato? He made a post with 3 reads that were quite definite did you agree with any of them?


Looks like a lot of baseless finger pointing, counter-finger pointing, and baseless claims to me. People are "reading" far too much into non-informative posts if you ask me. This early into the game I think a lot of people are probably very actively over-analyzing every little detail and then causing small squabbles between each other for the dumbest of reasons.

So what do I think of his reads? Not much. The only person I've found really interesting so far is chairmanray, who has made some huge posts. I think he's either a townie who is (over)confident in his own ability to read into things, or a mafia having fun while looking innocent.

I would lean towards the latter. It's hard to say he hasn't been serious with his vote. he was the 4th on a wagon with a non serious vote and has kept it on there. oh, hey, what a convenience

i have admittedly flip flopped on him in the first couple pages so we'll see where this goes. i like this post, though, as i've liked your earlier postings


My vote on round was serious. I didn't actually vote when I joked about voting the first poster on page 25. You will see in the voting thread that the timestamp does not match. I voted round after I looked into him and felt that he was a strong mafia read.

I would also disagree that my vote was a mere bandwagon. At the time, the day was just starting and there were barely any votes. I casted my vote without consideration to how many people had already voted on round, because between the start of the day and the end, my views will change, and so will everyone else's. For the same reason, a mafia will have no motivation to bandwagon at the very start. I feel that the whole mafia bandwagon strategy would be employed after most people in the game have already voted. Being one of the first to vote turns attention to me, not away from me. Voting on round was simply to state my position. My first real post in this game was an analysis on why I felt that round was mafia. I put some thought into it and my reasoning was unique at the time. I think it's pretty clear that I didn't simply vote him because it was the popular opinion.

The reason why I kept my vote on round is that I have not found another person who I feel has a greater chance of being mafia. I looked into Koshi after he made his first post, and I have posted what I thought about him, and I am continuing to investigate more people. If you still feel that my vote was simply a bandwagon, please give me some feedback on my original analysis of him.


Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 11 2014 02:02 GMT
#873
On June 11 2014 09:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 09:09 ExO_ wrote:
I've played several in the format that can be seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9


Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead.

So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it


Well at the end of the first day someone is going to die. We have 40ish hours to figure out who. So figuring out where people are is good and making people talk about other people is good as well. What if scum guy#1 says scum guy#2 is a good guy and then we end up killing scum guy#1 cause we think scum guy#2 is a donkey. Then we find out scum guy#1 is a wolf and we kill scum guy#2 the next day! I would like to think that it can work that way too. Although associative reads probably aren't the best on forums I've found.

i like your response but i disagree about associative tells (albeit scum DO buddy town)

On June 11 2014 09:39 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!


This post is Howling like a boss.

Why?

Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you?

The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.

yeah im just going to go ahead and vote you for this post

if youre town (im unfamiliar with you) learn how to speak. this seems like muddled mafia talk. you also seem very nervous, and having to desperately rely on buddying / some weird sense of authority the first couple pages

##vote: roundabound

p.s. i like chairman saying he was going to vote the first person on 25 and actually doing so. mafia aren't lighthearted enough to troll (typically)

Let me know if you have any more qualifiers to add on.

~moc

catching up i feel like you have settled in. i was unfamiliar with robik, and i find him to be less experience than you

On June 11 2014 09:43 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 09:40 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:30 roundabound wrote:
Yamato has to be scum; or a completely changed man

~moc


What about him makes him auto Wolf here?

He didnt call me scum.

Thats yamato town trademark.

~moc

not sure if srs

On June 11 2014 09:43 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 09:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.

I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.

I will continue my quest tomorrow.


His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them?

Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me.


If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now.

Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation.

What strikes me odd was his next post:

On June 11 2014 08:16 Koshi wrote:
No sorry my towns are town.


Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him.

From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me.

tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia.



Which of Koshi's reads do you disagree with and why?


When I stated in the tl;dr that I disagreed with his townreads, I meant that when I first read his analysis, it gave me the impression that they were filler reads and not genuine reads. After his next post, I started to rethink whether or not his reads were meant to be filler, but at the same time I still can't get much from his townreads. To be more specific, statements such as "Not an awkward entrance." and "Town for being around joyfully" are very general and conceptual. The best reads on people are less binary than that and the way in which someone is being not awkward or being joyful is far more important than the general concept. Koshi is not the only one who's been making a lot of general statements, but it stuck out to me more because he initially claimed to be tryharding, and his read on Chrom was a lot more in depth.

Agree. His FoS versus his vote felt like what mafia do early game so + scumpoints
however, the fact he's trying to take the game from the RVS towards bigger posts is + town
don't see him as a viable lynch the same way I don't see mocsta/robik hydra (roundabound) which im going to
##unvote
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 11 2014 02:03 GMT
#874
Yes. Mocsta signs his posts.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 11 2014 02:04 GMT
#875
On June 11 2014 10:42 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but how is that an omgus? it woudl be an omgus if i suspected you after you suspected me. but i voted you before you even mentioned me.


Oh you're right I'm wrong. Not OMGUS. OMGIS though applies here too me.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 11 2014 02:06 GMT
#876
On June 11 2014 10:47 TicaTica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:39 Bill Murray wrote:
That's ME as mafia haha

Ironic that you say. I did no enjoy you're reads but I still think you village.

my reads have changed since i actually read the thread
most mafia are likely yet to post
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 11 2014 02:06 GMT
#877
On June 11 2014 10:59 roundabound wrote:
I suck at hydraing

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:54 IAmRobik wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.


are you impressed with his reads so far?

Don't know what his reads are. Pretty much just calling him my top town.
Like, I don't know that I agree with him that ExO is maf. I don't know about his Koshi read, but kinda agree with it. I'm wishy washy as shit about Koshi. I agree with him 100% that I'm town. Agree Chrome is town.

Turns out I know what most of his reads are. Mine don't exactly align with his, but they're close.



I'd be scared to sheep me day 1. As village in forums my track record is quite poor. I have voted for I think a couple of PRs and only 1 scum. Here's hoping that changes today!

I can be your top villager though.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 11 2014 02:09 GMT
#878
On June 11 2014 10:54 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna sheep poofter all game.


are you impressed with his reads so far?

Don't know what his reads are. Pretty much just calling him my top town.
Like, I don't know that I agree with him that ExO is maf. I don't know about his Koshi read, but kinda agree with it. I'm wishy washy as shit about Koshi. I agree with him 100% that I'm town. Agree Chrome is town.

Turns out I know what most of his reads are. Mine don't exactly align with his, but they're close.

so you're going to sheep someone that isn't your hydra head? seems scummy to me

if you're maf you know alignments but you're unwilling to accept the opinion of someone you KNOW who their role is AS TOWN?

##vote: roundabound
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 11 2014 02:12 GMT
#879
On June 11 2014 11:02 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:32 Bill Murray wrote:
exo + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 10:28 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 10:21 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:17 ExO_ wrote:
On June 11 2014 10:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:49 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 11 2014 09:47 ExO_ wrote:
I haven't seen kushm4sta say a thing, but he's voted in the voting thread. Seems scummy to me


ya i might be scum lol. dunno yet


Did you really OMGUS vote EXO? or heaven forbid do you have a reason for it?


I have no idea what OMGUS means, but he voted without saying anything. I don't see a good reason to do that at this point in the game, so I said as much. No need to be a dick about it :/


My post was directed at Kushmasta not you. OMGUS=Oh My God You Suck basically its when someone calls you scummy and you respond by calling them scummy for calling you scummy.

How do you feel about yamato? He made a post with 3 reads that were quite definite did you agree with any of them?


Looks like a lot of baseless finger pointing, counter-finger pointing, and baseless claims to me. People are "reading" far too much into non-informative posts if you ask me. This early into the game I think a lot of people are probably very actively over-analyzing every little detail and then causing small squabbles between each other for the dumbest of reasons.

So what do I think of his reads? Not much. The only person I've found really interesting so far is chairmanray, who has made some huge posts. I think he's either a townie who is (over)confident in his own ability to read into things, or a mafia having fun while looking innocent.

I would lean towards the latter. It's hard to say he hasn't been serious with his vote. he was the 4th on a wagon with a non serious vote and has kept it on there. oh, hey, what a convenience

i have admittedly flip flopped on him in the first couple pages so we'll see where this goes. i like this post, though, as i've liked your earlier postings


My vote on round was serious. I didn't actually vote when I joked about voting the first poster on page 25. You will see in the voting thread that the timestamp does not match. I voted round after I looked into him and felt that he was a strong mafia read.

I would also disagree that my vote was a mere bandwagon. At the time, the day was just starting and there were barely any votes. I casted my vote without consideration to how many people had already voted on round, because between the start of the day and the end, my views will change, and so will everyone else's. For the same reason, a mafia will have no motivation to bandwagon at the very start. I feel that the whole mafia bandwagon strategy would be employed after most people in the game have already voted. Being one of the first to vote turns attention to me, not away from me. Voting on round was simply to state my position. My first real post in this game was an analysis on why I felt that round was mafia. I put some thought into it and my reasoning was unique at the time. I think it's pretty clear that I didn't simply vote him because it was the popular opinion.

The reason why I kept my vote on round is that I have not found another person who I feel has a greater chance of being mafia. I looked into Koshi after he made his first post, and I have posted what I thought about him, and I am continuing to investigate more people. If you still feel that my vote was simply a bandwagon, please give me some feedback on my original analysis of him.



your vote was not nearly as +maf as bat's was
batsnacks is mafia if roundabound is because robik has some pretty serious early associative tells with him I.M.O.
i like your defense here, which might be due to the fact that i liked your posting a couple pages ago, so i began to read you /have begun to read you as town

you are someone i wouldnt want to lynch, even when i was leaning maf, because there are like15 lurkers to pick from to pressure into posting
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 02:12 GMT
#880
k im antisheeping poofter, which means i cant vote for anyone he votes for. that's how little confidence i have in him.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
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