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On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me.
I have no interest in answering too many questions this game. If I dislike their posting you will be notified in future Koshi posts. I noticed Sandroba first dislike of my post was around my townreads not being good enough. After that he replied that my townreads were town but I wasn't when he got backed up by other Koshi - haters. Interesting that was. Probably only "interesting" person out of marv/Jat/Robik/Poofter/Sandroba.
Updates will follow later.
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ExO, how many games of mafia have you played IRL/forums?
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On June 11 2014 09:00 ExO_ wrote:
oh and "breadcrumbing" is yet another new thing. It's like declaring only in a spoiler. The rules saying you can't use the specific language in your PM to describe your role seems unnecessary to me.
BAsically it means something that you can point back to if you claim a role later and say "See I mentioned it here in a way people wouldn't notice" or if you flip a particular role maybe one with checks people can see what they are based upon something you posted. Also I think you should move on from that part of the game and try to find out people's alignment. Unless you think me talking about it is alignment indicative in any fashion.
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On June 11 2014 09:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
JAY I'd like some clarification on your opinion of roundabound. Initially you questioned him for the same stuff batsnacks went after him but later on you agreed with chrom when he called roundabound town. I'd like a straight up read from you plox.
Gonna go play some CS:GO I will have to read some scumgames from him at some point but what he did so far looked rather townie to me. I questioned him mainly to get a read on him although I DID think his post was overly defensive. I will go with town for now.
I agree thus far on Robik. Do you know the other half of roundabound? Mocsta? Have any meta on him?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 09:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:00 ExO_ wrote:
oh and "breadcrumbing" is yet another new thing. It's like declaring only in a spoiler. The rules saying you can't use the specific language in your PM to describe your role seems unnecessary to me. Please stop talking about mechanics/general stuff and start talking about alignments. I know hes going to blow my cover.
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Caught up.
To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.
~moc
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I've played several in the format that can be seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9
Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead.
So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it
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LOL @ anyone reading ExO scummy
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On June 11 2014 09:08 roundabound wrote:
Caught up.
To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.
~moc
What be your read on Robik?
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On June 11 2014 09:09 ExO_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've played several in the format that can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9 Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead. So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it
ExO_
Indulge me please.
These innate feelings for poofter.
Do you think his reasoning is:
-plausible?
-committed?
-other?
~moc
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On June 11 2014 09:17 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:08 roundabound wrote:
Caught up.
To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.
~moc
What be your read on Robik?
If he wasnt my hydra I would say town.
Considering he is my hydra, I would say the opposite of TicaTica.
~moc
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On June 11 2014 09:09 ExO_ wrote:I've played several in the format that can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9 Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead. So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it
Well at the end of the first day someone is going to die. We have 40ish hours to figure out who. So figuring out where people are is good and making people talk about other people is good as well. What if scum guy#1 says scum guy#2 is a good guy and then we end up killing scum guy#1 cause we think scum guy#2 is a donkey. Then we find out scum guy#1 is a wolf and we kill scum guy#2 the next day! I would like to think that it can work that way too. Although associative reads probably aren't the best on forums I've found.
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On June 11 2014 09:13 roundabound wrote:
LOL @ anyone reading ExO scummy
Do not mock me sir. This is why you're not in Tehpoofter's village. What has ExO done townie?
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On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me.
If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now.
Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation.
What strikes me odd was his next post:
On June 11 2014 08:16 Koshi wrote:
No sorry my towns are town.
Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him.
From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me.
tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia.
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On June 11 2014 09:18 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:17 TicaTica wrote:On June 11 2014 09:08 roundabound wrote:
Caught up.
To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.
~moc
What be your read on Robik? If he wasnt my hydra I would say town. Considering he is my hydra, I would say the opposite of TicaTica. ~moc
So you will be voting TicaTica soon I expect? CAre to elaborate on why you and him are opposites?
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On June 11 2014 09:17 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:09 ExO_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've played several in the format that can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9 Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead. So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it ExO_ Indulge me please. These innate feelings for poofter. Do you think his reasoning is: -plausible? -committed? -other? ~moc
I think his reasoning assumes I'm an experienced player, which I'm not. But I don't think he'd leave breadcumbs like that unless he really is a good guy. Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm willing to trust him for now
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On June 11 2014 09:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:18 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 09:17 TicaTica wrote:On June 11 2014 09:08 roundabound wrote:
Caught up.
To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.
~moc
What be your read on Robik? If he wasnt my hydra I would say town. Considering he is my hydra, I would say the opposite of TicaTica. ~moc So you will be voting TicaTica soon I expect? CAre to elaborate on why you and him are opposites?
I dont know what TicaTica is.
It was my meager attempt at wit towards a stupid question.
~moc
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On June 11 2014 09:19 Tehpoofter wrote:Do not mock me sir. This is why you're not in Tehpoofter's village. What has ExO done townie?
If he's a noob and mafia, he sees your medic claim and runs into Maf QT and starts yelling, OMGOGOMG DID YOU GUIZE JUST SEE BANKS CLAIMED MEDIC. WE HAZ TO KEEL HIM TONIGHT! He gets instantly shot down and he doesn't bring it up. He doesn't do what he just did and blatantly role hunt in the thread.
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On June 11 2014 09:23 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 09:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 09:13 roundabound wrote:
LOL @ anyone reading ExO scummy Do not mock me sir. This is why you're not in Tehpoofter's village. What has ExO done townie? If he's a noob and mafia, he sees your medic claim and runs into Maf QT and starts yelling, OMGOGOMG DID YOU GUIZE JUST SEE BANKS CLAIMED MEDIC. WE HAZ TO KEEL HIM TONIGHT! He gets instantly shot down and he doesn't bring it up. He doesn't do what he just did and blatantly role hunt in the thread.
wait tehpoofter is claiming medic? I thought he was claiming seer?
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On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now. Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation. What strikes me odd was his next post: Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him. From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me. tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia.
Which of Koshi's reads do you disagree with and why?
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at p. 30, three posts I want to comment on
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206
This case is not good. Sinani is not mafia for how he's played so far, and marv agreeing with Chrom about this read is suspicious. Do not like the sinani = mafia read at all.
On June 11 2014 06:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. lol are you serious?
This about sums up my thoughts on Robik. Not to be taken seriously.
On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me  . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks.
That said, I don't like the case on him either, however I find this post to be a more reasonable and townie one than Chrom's post about sinani.
tl;dr Chrom and Marv bad, sinani and robik not good lynches, Chairman townish.
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