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On June 11 2014 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 13:45 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 13:41 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 13:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. hold up. why do you think hes mafia if you like what hes saying? I had a similar read last game and got some flak for it, but I did end up being right. Briefly, he responded great but in a way that re-enforces my initial suspicions about him. Too careful, too intelligent. I'm sticking with it. i never thought you could scumread someone for being too careful/intelligent. btw, i actually forget, but who did you read for that last game? Bunnies bunnies scumread someone for being more active the longer the game went on. its...not really the same thing. No you misunderstand. I scumread bunnies for playing too good. bunnies didnt play "good." nobody really played "good" that game, and im still mad at myself because i had the scumteam for the last 3 lynches and backed off because i wussed out. the issue was that bunnies was dressing up bad analysis by making it look nice. it was actually kinda funny at times and im still a bit shocked that a certain someone in this game decided to put her as the last lynch. chairman just looks like a dude getting bogged down in stuff that isnt really alignment relevant. its not the same thing.
I didn't read the game after my cell left. I was talking about before then. I would quote what I said for you but search is down for maintenance apparently.
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On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads.
As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum.
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On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff?
ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed.
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On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks
First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one.
Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there.
Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that.
Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him.
Fifth, it's about time you voted me.
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Well sorry but I don't know how to make it smarter. I feel like I'm right.
Do you agree with Chairman Ray that I look like someone who is trying to look active and get a mislynch happening?
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On June 11 2014 16:38 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 16:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:15 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff? ALWAYS is a bad word to use in mafia. Your posts in general are guilty of generalizing how mafia is played. Add that to the problems I have with what you've contributed. Firstly, you have not given any response to my criticisms of you. All you did was try to redirection suspicions onto me. Secondly, you did the exact same thing with the question I just asked you. Thirdly, you took the word 'always' completely out of context in order to make it look like I made a blanket statement. It is very clear this isn't the case. I made a one line question so there wasn't much for you to read. I don't believe for a second that you made a reading error. This mistake was done intentionally. If you are wondering why I asked you that question, it was because you base your entire read off of me because you saw ONE person do something similar. A sample size of ONE. In order for you to make this read, you would have to have seen ZERO town play similarly. This is why I asked you believe that a town will always play off-the-cuff. I'm gonna stop right here because you like me to keep things short. But it's pretty clear you are playing this way intentionally. You are intentionally avoiding any criticism or question I have of you. You are willingly taking people's posts out of context and selecting those that are convenient to your scumreads while ignoring everything else. You have very arbitrary standards as to what you find towny and what you find scummy. Putting myself in your shoes, I can't picture the things you have said to be from someone trying to find out who's town and who's mafia. You clearly have the motivations of someone who's trying to look active, and trying to get a mislynch happening. I have a fairly strong read that you are mafia. ##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks First, I gave you a response, if you didn't like my response fine, but that's not the same as me not giving one. Secondly, I scum read you first. That isn't "redirecting" suspicion. It was already there. Third, I didn't take 'always' out of context. In that question you were asking me to say that town ALWAYS acts a certain way. That is the definition of a blanket statement. You are asking me to commit a blanket statement about how town behaves every game. I'm not going to do that. Fourth, I didn't base my entire read off of you because I saw "ONE" person do something similar. I brought up that specific example when I was talking to obiwan because me and obiwan were both in that game and I thought it would be relevant to him. Fifth, it's about time you voted me. When I gave my mafia read on you and when I asked you the follow up question, your response was simply to restate your scumread on me instead of talking about any of the points that I have raised. I do not consider this as a proper response but if you would like to consider it as not liking the response, I'm also okay with that. We both know exactly was said and naming it one way or another changes nothing. I still believe that you are taking 'always' out of context. You initially accused me of generalizing because I used the word 'always' in a blanket statement when in fact I was accusing you of doing this. These are two very different things and there's no mistaking one for the other. It was evident that you were generalizing when your entire defense was that you saw someone in a previous game with some similarities. You had no analysis on why being 'careful' or 'thorough' was scummy. How am I supposed to interpret this? How is anyone else supposed to interpret this? Given that this was just an example and you do have some reasoning in your mind, I'm willing to drop this, but I would still be delighted to know your reasoning.
I responded to every point you made as best I could. Yes I restated the point I made about you with different adjectives, but if you read some of my other posts in that time frame you will notice I mentioned that you, at the time, were my weakest read. This is when I point out that you have made a bigger deal out of that than anything anyone has done in this game so far.
About the second part, sorry I thought you were trying to trap me into making a blanket statement. Which, read it again from my perspective please:
On June 11 2014 14:09 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 14:06 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
well...you should.
i actually had a mental image of the entire scumteam and had the three players that really matched that profile, and then didnt vote one of them when it really mattered.
its pretty much exactly what you dont do when you have strong reads. As soon as I stop getting this error message I will be happy to oblige. Until then, yeah, I like what Chairman Ray said because I appreciate good mafia play AND I still think he's scum. Are you claiming that town players will always play off-the-cuff?
I don't think it was unreasonable for me to think that. Do I think that town players will usually play off-the-cuff as compared to mafia? Yes.
"Usually" and "always" are hugely different though.
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On June 11 2014 17:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So where is the case on roundabout please?
Alakaslam do you post thoughts or just words? I can't figure it out by myself.
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Sorry I meant for it to be implied that I find Koshi suspicious. I forgot to include his name in the formal list though. I guess now you're going to ask me what, specifically, I find suspicious about Koshi's play, right?
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On June 11 2014 17:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:36 Bill Murray wrote:Without someone like Roundabound protecting players like batsnacks we wouldn't have the mafia... they are the players that insulate them On June 11 2014 11:34 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:32 Bill Murray wrote:
So now I have 2 people I've cast suspicion on FoS me
Mafia frequently do this to me
I also have them both as having an associative tell so I'd call this near chainsawing Instead of saying this you could have told me why you liked exo's early posts. Then it might just be 1 person with a FOS on you. remember when marv said "anyone that thinks exo is scum is trash"? +1 Marv has said a lot of things I don't agree with. I can't even tell if Marv was being serious when he said that. Unless I'm missing something this still doesn't explain why you liked exo's early posts. it wasn't me who said that i have no idea how you think there are a lot of things i've said you disagree with, i haven't really said enough of importance to disagree with...
Yeah sorry about that. I just sort of took Bill's word for it that you actually said that when apparently you didn't. So I was wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. Regardless of whether you said that or not I can't read you at all.
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On June 11 2014 17:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 17:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:36 Bill Murray wrote:Without someone like Roundabound protecting players like batsnacks we wouldn't have the mafia... they are the players that insulate them On June 11 2014 11:34 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:32 Bill Murray wrote:
So now I have 2 people I've cast suspicion on FoS me
Mafia frequently do this to me
I also have them both as having an associative tell so I'd call this near chainsawing Instead of saying this you could have told me why you liked exo's early posts. Then it might just be 1 person with a FOS on you. remember when marv said "anyone that thinks exo is scum is trash"? +1 Marv has said a lot of things I don't agree with. I can't even tell if Marv was being serious when he said that. Unless I'm missing something this still doesn't explain why you liked exo's early posts. it wasn't me who said that i have no idea how you think there are a lot of things i've said you disagree with, i haven't really said enough of importance to disagree with... Yeah sorry about that. I just sort of took Bill's word for it that you actually said that when apparently you didn't. So I was wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. Regardless of whether you said that or not I can't read you at all. well, if you don't know me pretty well, trying to read me this early is probably fruitless anyway, because i'll cast around until i find things to hang my hat on pro-tip: don't use hyperbole like "marv has said a lot of things i disagree with" as an extrapolation from one thing that you're taking someone else's word from. indeed my only obvious thread suspicion is koshi who you in fact agree with me about.
Thanks I love pro-tips.
But seriously you've just called a bunch of people bad so far which, while not alignment indicative necessarily, isn't town.
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On June 11 2014 17:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 17:56 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 17:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:36 Bill Murray wrote:Without someone like Roundabound protecting players like batsnacks we wouldn't have the mafia... they are the players that insulate them On June 11 2014 11:34 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:32 Bill Murray wrote:
So now I have 2 people I've cast suspicion on FoS me
Mafia frequently do this to me
I also have them both as having an associative tell so I'd call this near chainsawing Instead of saying this you could have told me why you liked exo's early posts. Then it might just be 1 person with a FOS on you. remember when marv said "anyone that thinks exo is scum is trash"? +1 Marv has said a lot of things I don't agree with. I can't even tell if Marv was being serious when he said that. Unless I'm missing something this still doesn't explain why you liked exo's early posts. it wasn't me who said that i have no idea how you think there are a lot of things i've said you disagree with, i haven't really said enough of importance to disagree with... Yeah sorry about that. I just sort of took Bill's word for it that you actually said that when apparently you didn't. So I was wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. Regardless of whether you said that or not I can't read you at all. well, if you don't know me pretty well, trying to read me this early is probably fruitless anyway, because i'll cast around until i find things to hang my hat on pro-tip: don't use hyperbole like "marv has said a lot of things i disagree with" as an extrapolation from one thing that you're taking someone else's word from. indeed my only obvious thread suspicion is koshi who you in fact agree with me about. Thanks I love pro-tips. But seriously you've just called a bunch of people bad so far which, while not alignment indicative necessarily, isn't town. no, only really yamato. and calling yamato terrible is always town because he is terrible  "a bunch of people" - you have a penchant for the exaggerations, yes squire?
Do I need to filter dive?
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On June 11 2014 18:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 18:00 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:59 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 17:56 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 17:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 17:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 11:36 Bill Murray wrote:Without someone like Roundabound protecting players like batsnacks we wouldn't have the mafia... they are the players that insulate them On June 11 2014 11:34 batsnacks wrote:
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Instead of saying this you could have told me why you liked exo's early posts. Then it might just be 1 person with a FOS on you. remember when marv said "anyone that thinks exo is scum is trash"? +1 Marv has said a lot of things I don't agree with. I can't even tell if Marv was being serious when he said that. Unless I'm missing something this still doesn't explain why you liked exo's early posts. it wasn't me who said that i have no idea how you think there are a lot of things i've said you disagree with, i haven't really said enough of importance to disagree with... Yeah sorry about that. I just sort of took Bill's word for it that you actually said that when apparently you didn't. So I was wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. Regardless of whether you said that or not I can't read you at all. well, if you don't know me pretty well, trying to read me this early is probably fruitless anyway, because i'll cast around until i find things to hang my hat on pro-tip: don't use hyperbole like "marv has said a lot of things i disagree with" as an extrapolation from one thing that you're taking someone else's word from. indeed my only obvious thread suspicion is koshi who you in fact agree with me about. Thanks I love pro-tips. But seriously you've just called a bunch of people bad so far which, while not alignment indicative necessarily, isn't town. no, only really yamato. and calling yamato terrible is always town because he is terrible "a bunch of people" - you have a penchant for the exaggerations, yes squire? Do I need to filter dive? be my guest.
Actually, you're right. It's actually just the 1/4 of your filter that you spend calling yamato terrible. Which I'll comment was warranted. It seems I was misrepresenting you marv. Sorry about that.
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You would have been in my 'reads' post if I had alignment indicative feelings about you at all.
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ebwop: Also, where is it twice now?
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Shoot first. Ask questions later.
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Yo that's a big leap Bill
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Bill, what do you think now that mafia know about your list?
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Why did you feel the need to filter dive Palmar right now?
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On June 12 2014 03:33 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 03:17 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read? He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind. Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different? Because he's using an incorrect conclusion based off of an incorrect premise and nothing else to push for someone's lynch while ignoring the people that are questioning that read and giving equally terrible reasons why he thinks other people are scum that make so little sense i have trouble believing they're genuine townie conclusions. It's not just his read on Round but everything he's done since that seems scummy to me.
Cats, I said using nicknames was a scum tactic 30 minutes after the game started. I wasn't being serious about that. That isn't why I'm voting roundabout.
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ebwop : Also it would be cool if you had more specific examples instead of just saying "everything he's done since that seems scummy to me."
If literally everything I do is scummy, it shouldn't be that hard for you to find one more example.
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