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This post is an attempt of me trying to find a scumteam of four or five based on ritoky and VayneAuthority being the first two.
Here we go:
I'm going to ignore ritoky's early game Chromatically stuff until later, because it seems null to me, at least until I read a bit more.
In this post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, MarvOther town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:39 Holyflare wrote:
Look, we vote sandroba because not playing the game is his mafia meta. We vote kush because he's actually playing his mafia game. We look at poofters play in the last bit of today because he is playing to his mafia meta atm. We can look at gumshoe because he really isn't doing anything and his posts have been contentless and not driven to solving things but rather just agreeing with people that something looks weird. We probably push snb because his posts are non posts and he's afking the day pretty much too, his flip would also give loads of info.
The people making these long tunnel cases chrom, rainbiws, haru etc etc are most probably town and they're all so tunneled they are ignoring the actual people doing scummy things To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives? Because he's done nothing and slipped my mind? I also don't know him well enough to say an alignment. And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
i got a teamliquid message that people are mentioning my name in this thread, what the hell guys you woke up my alarm i was sleeping fuckin teamliquidz Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hrs.
This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.
The three people he gives reads on who are alive are his green roundabound, green lean on Holyflare, and red on Chairman Ray. Let's compare these to thread consensus at the time. They are basically all exactly what town was thinking at the time he posted this, except for the green lean on Holy. That is what begins to make me possibly suspicious of Holyflare. Additionally, the red CR read could be a bus. As for roundabound, I think I'm going to need something a little more definite, or maybe something in VA's play.
He then says he has a lack of time to make a case on CR, which increases my suspicioun there.
Then there's all this spammy shit with the claim. Since I'm basically convinced ritoky is scum after this stuff, there would be a pretty high chance of a bunnies bus since he called her scum, but I think I'll leave her alone for another day, because I checked her and she was immobile N2. His other check (Chrom) is a big fucking pile of steaming WifoM and I think that there's a pretty good chance of two trackers this game. So Chromatically gets left alone for now too.
So basically, CR.
But as I was reading through ritoky's filter, I was reminded of a few very good reasons why strongandbig could be scum. I'll actually just add his filter to this post at the end.
We got 4 now, but let's read through VA's filter.
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Holy shit, worse than cancer. I'm a lot surer now, especially with all the associative shit with ritoky from today so far.
strongandbigtime
Cats vote on day one is so scummy
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2014 02:52 strongandbig wrote:
oh right voting for cats
##vote: thekingofthecats
So are the rest of his votes actually, now that I'm done reading, but I don't need to quote all of them.
The point is, he's useless.
So that's four. I think the fifth could be one of
Holyflare
roundabound
ObiWanShinobi
So, ritoky for now, I guess.
##Vote: ritoky
What do you guys think? I'm definitely open to other people's thoughts on this.
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Vote Count - Day 5:
Chromatically (0): sinani206
sinani206 (0): VayneAuthority, 27ninjabunnies
ritoky (2): VayneAuthority, sinani206
Holyflare (1): batsnacks
Not voting (9): Womp Rats
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I think that looking for teams of 5 is not very useful since they're based off of preflip associations at this point (which are inherently unreliable).
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as I said.. mafia kp is factional so whether you tracked someone and they did an action or not does not make them town so your role is effectively meh at this point in the game, at no point in time anywhere in that post does he call me town, in fact it's quite the opposite he calls me mafia
if ritoky is mafia why would he claim cop and red check his own team mate (bunnies) and then call her mafia that is the worst conclusion to draw from that! Not only would mafia ritoky have to guess that there would be no ACTUAL cop in the game but then he'd be sacrificing his own team mate (bunnies) for no reason whatsoever either
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I could see a team being snb, now that there's 2 trackers - slam, va, ritoky and prob obi or something
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On June 23 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
as I said.. mafia kp is factional so whether you tracked someone and they did an action or not does not make them town so your role is effectively meh at this point in the game, at no point in time anywhere in that post does he call me town, in fact it's quite the opposite he calls me mafia
if ritoky is mafia why would he claim cop and red check his own team mate (bunnies) and then call her mafia that is the worst conclusion to draw from that! Not only would mafia ritoky have to guess that there would be no ACTUAL cop in the game but then he'd be sacrificing his own team mate (bunnies) for no reason whatsoever either
I never said bunnies was scum
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Okay, bear with me guys. This is going to be a long post.
Lets see what we have
1. ObiWanShinobi
3. ritoky- fakecop/vt
9. 27ninjabunnies- vt
10. sinani206- tracker on bunnies and round- novisits
15. Alakaslam
18. Chairman Ray
19. roundabound- mason claim?
21. strongandbig
24. Holyflare
27. batsnacks
28. VayneAuthority
29. Chromatically- tracker- on rainbows and forgot who else
Now we know there is a jk somewhere, cause of marv claiming jailed.
Jk shouldnt out just yet imo.
Round claimed mason, but not sure if that was a vt taking a bullet or mafia searching for real mason.
Also, with 5 mafia, there should have only been 2kp.
# of mafia / 2 rounded down according to kp rules on page 1.
Which means the 3rd kp last night wS either from the 50% hip shot or the mafia vig, so be aware, we could have 3kp again on us tonight or just 2kp. Either way this is a mylo/lylo situation.
Now, i wouldnt touch me or round this day, even if kp is factional as hf says.
(Which i dont understand how kp is factional).
So id lynch ritoky or batsnacks until we get claims otherwise.
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am depressed.....20 seconds.....sigh....
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Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum.
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On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum.
read the posts after he supposedly decided his claim wasn't fun anymore. it's almost certainly scum trying to make light of a fuckup.
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On June 23 2014 08:48 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
as I said.. mafia kp is factional so whether you tracked someone and they did an action or not does not make them town so your role is effectively meh at this point in the game, at no point in time anywhere in that post does he call me town, in fact it's quite the opposite he calls me mafia
if ritoky is mafia why would he claim cop and red check his own team mate (bunnies) and then call her mafia that is the worst conclusion to draw from that! Not only would mafia ritoky have to guess that there would be no ACTUAL cop in the game but then he'd be sacrificing his own team mate (bunnies) for no reason whatsoever either I never said bunnies was scum
Since I'm basically convinced ritoky is scum after this stuff, there would be a pretty high chance of a bunnies bus since he called her scum, but I think I'll leave her alone for another day, because I checked her and she was immobile N2
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On June 23 2014 09:13 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum. read the posts after he supposedly decided his claim wasn't fun anymore. it's almost certainly scum trying to make light of a fuckup.
It could be. At the time, I thought it was townie how he kept pushing for reads rather than giving up in the face of his near-certain lynch. Given that his lynch turned out not to be near-certain, maybe that's not as true.
The question is if his claim is townie enough to excuse the rest of his play. Frankly at this point I have a hard time finding 5 scum without him in it, so there's that, but I think it's possible bunnies is scum instead of him (I'm pretty sure they're not together).
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On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum.
Can you explain how he does that as town?
He had you as his top scum. It would have made more sense claiming a red on you.
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On June 23 2014 09:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum. Can you explain how he does that as town? He had you as his top scum. It would have made more sense claiming a red on you.
Didn't he do it as town to you in another game?
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Like I don't get why you're pushing him for his claim when it should be null to you if he did it to you in another game? I understand pushing him for the rest of his play (and I agree) but I don't see how the claim is scummy from him, especially from your perspective where you've seen it before.
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On June 23 2014 09:29 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum. Can you explain how he does that as town? He had you as his top scum. It would have made more sense claiming a red on you. Didn't he do it as town to you in another game?
Yeah. But two different games. Just because he was town in the other, doesnt mean he is town in this one
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I think it's incredibly much MORE notable that he tried to get his town read lynched all game which implied he planned this A LONG TIME AGO.
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and if he planned it a long time ago then his "i did it because game was boring" reason was a lie
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Posting this here for myself for a bit later and for others. I don't think there are any errors.
Reds are confirmed mafia votes, greens are confirmed town votes, bolded greens are alive confirmed town votes (in my eyes at least), and black are everyone else.
Going to look into who has been voting together from this to see if I can start finding a group of 5. As well as a couple other things.
On June 13 2014 04:46 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: ExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4staketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound, TicaTicaMeapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshistrongandbig (4): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, KoshiChairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_VayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_ZiphhChromatically (1): ritokyritoky (1): ketomai, Chromatically, HaruRHkushm4sta (4): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_, batsnacks TheKingOfTheCats (11): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray, sinani206, Chromatically, TehpoofterNot voting (1): Erandorr
On June 16 2014 05:03 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count roundabound (1): batsnacks, HolyflareHaruRH (7): Rainbows, Chromatically, TicaTica, Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, mattisfoolishKetomai (1): roundabound, sinani206 kushm4sta (3): yamato77, Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, HolyFlare, ExO_Chromatically (1): ExO_, ritokymattisfoolish (1): marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, ketomai, roundaboundritoky (1): VayneAuthority Erandorr (1): Chairman Ray yamato77 (5): marvellosity, justanothertownie, HaruRH, ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, roundabound, Alakaslam Not voting (5): sandroba, Erandorr, kushm4sta, gumshoe, strongandbig
On June 19 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count gumshoe (3): Holyflare, 27ninjabunnies, marvellosity, ExO_, Chromatically, mattisfoolish, Alakaslam mattisfoolish (12): ObiWanShinobi, strongandbig, Rainbows, ketomai, marvellosity, Holyflare, yamato77, batsnacks, justanothertownie, Chromatically, 27ninjabunnies, ritoky, Chairman Ray, batsnacks ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, 27ninjabunnies, VayneAuthority Ketomai (2): Rainbows, sinani206, Rainbows, sinani206 Sandroba (1): roundabound, Chromatically, sinani206Chairman Ray (1): TicaTica, batsnacksNot voting (2): sandroba, gumshoe
On June 22 2014 05:00 ObviousOne wrote:[center] Night 4Final Vote Count - Day 4: Ketomai (7): Rainbows, marvellosity, Rainbows, sinani206, Alakaslam, ObiWanShinobi, Chromatically, strongandbig, Holyflare ritoky (5): VayneAuthority, TicaTica, Rainbows, Chromatically, Alakaslam, ExO_, Holyflare, Chairman Ray, marvellosity, strongandbig, 27ninjabunnies, Chairman Ray, ketomai, roundabound27ninjabunnies (4): marvellosity, strongandbig, ExO_, marvellosity, roundabound, Holyflare, Rainbows, ObiWanShinobi, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, ObiWanShinobi, ritokyNot voting (1): TicaTica
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On June 23 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote:
I think it's incredibly much MORE notable that he tried to get his town read lynched all game which implied he planned this A LONG TIME AGO.
ritoky did you actually have me as town the whole game?
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