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On June 13 2014 13:44 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 10:27 roundabound wrote:
Banks,
Personally I prefer vig on unreadable lurkers.
Allows us to use the lynch on people that are readable and produce associative information.
Players like Slam, Kush and others are solid choices for a vig.
~moc basically this but i prefer to use it on people who have cred that I'm still suspicious of players with a lot of friends, that are scum, and aren't going to be lynched
Personally, I prefer using the vigi shots when we have more surefire suspects. It's way too early to be firing at potential busers. As the game goes on there will be some days where we wish we could lynch a lot of people.
There is a risk but I feel like firing on the first night might be riskier because it's harder to hit mafia and easier to hit blues.
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On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 13:20 ExO_ wrote:On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote:Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. On June 13 2014 02:29 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2014 01:48 Amiko wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: Palmar (0): batsnacksyamato77 (0): Palmarroundabound (1): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomaisinani206 (0): Chromatically, TehpoofterKoshi (2): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206 TicaTica (0): KoshiExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4staHolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, PalmarBill Murray (0): roundaboundketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound batsnacks (0): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, AlakaslamMeapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshitehpoofter (1): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority strongandbig (7): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, Koshi Chairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_Marvellosity (0): TehpoofterVayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (0): ketomaikushm4sta (3): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_ justanothertownie (0): Koshi, PalmarObiWanShinobi (1): TicaTica TheKingOfTheCats (4): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi Not voting (2): Erandorr, strongandbig
Currently strongandbig is set to be lynched with 7 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451311-tl-order-lxvi-thread-for-doing-of-the-voting
If there is a tie, the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! votes on me or kush at this point in the day are just lazy, save that pool of players for further use. So it's lazy to still have votes on some of the leftover wagons because they should be concentrated on people who are actually going to be lynched, yet you are still the only person on poof? I'm not accusing you of anything, but I don't really see this as lazy. Can you elaborate? Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: On June 13 2014 02:30 sinani206 wrote:On June 13 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Look. I think KoC has a really good chance of flipping mafia. I think people should vote for him.
I don't really think s&b is mafia.
If there needs to be an alternative wagon, I think it should be ketomai. I'm not opposed to a ketomai lynch. Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. Exo: starting to think he's more mafia On June 13 2014 00:40 ExO_ wrote:
I actually agree on Kush. When I read his filter, it doesn't even look like he's trying to play. He responded to Obi and HF by saying they should lynch him, and he's the jester. I'm not sure whether to interpret this as him being sarcastic and dismissive, or him just not wanting to play this game. Either way, I don't see him as being helpful in the future if he is going to continue like this.
##unvote
##Vote kushm4sta
I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town.
Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I don't think this is fair. For starters, calling me out on my posting amount when you've posted about half of what I have seems rather silly. When it comes to KoC I didn't see it. He didn't look like mafia to me. But to be honest, nobody really does. So instead of voting for what I feel would essentially be a guess, I'm going to vote for the guy who is being very trolly and actively telling people to lynch him (kush). For some reason a lot of players seem to think that acting this way makes him a vigilante, and I don't understand that at all. So I stand by my vote on Kush. You're right about effort though. I'm probably not putting forth the effort that some players are. The amount of information in 55ish pages of reading is crazy. Being expected to read all of it and remember who said what about who when, and make predictions out of all of it seems like the norm here and I'm not sure I can keep up with that pace. I'm going to try my best, but TLmafia isn't the only thing I'm doing. If that's not good enough for you, if the fact that I'm not willing to accuse people I don't have strong feelings about isn't good enough for you, then lynch me. I'm not going to change how I'm playing right now. I can tell you this much: I'm 100% town, and want to do what I can to help town win (thereby allowing me to win). If I was mafia you'd be damn sure I'd be asking what things to say, what not to say. But I'm on my own. So I'm doing the best I can. That's about all you can expect from me, take it or leave it. See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe. As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation.
Yes I found a vote on Kush more acceptable than any of the cases. I didn't see really strong evidence for anybody really. What I saw left and right was people making judgements of others based on what I considered virtually nothing. Nothing has happened in the game yet somehow you expect me to believe you're going to be able to discern mafia purely by the early game posts? (not referring to you specifically as you didn't really make me posts about people at all) To me that seemed more like arrogance and ego, and also seemed likely to cause a towny to be lynched. There's more townies than mafia, and it didn't seem like anything else other than random chance to get a mafia correctly. As it turns out it did work out, and marv did a good job starting the train on KoC. But I didn't think it was like that at the time I was voting. So I chose to vote for the guy who I didn't (and still don't) think is going to be any good for the town, and who I think could possibly be mafia, over a guy I didn't have a read on one way or the other. I didn't really have much of an opinion on KoC, so I didn't push for his innocence. I figured "hell it's day 1 and I don't have a clue one way or the other. Might as well vote on what I think is best.
So that's what I did. I'll try my best to read people more and voice my opinions more. But I don't think my vote on day 1 was wrong. Kush was the best vote I had based on the information I believed. Better to lynch somebody who isn't going to help the town out all, than risk voting for a towny based on somebody else's read. It's a good thing there are people like marv here who were able to pick out KoC and get the lynch on him. And I'll try my best to do what I think is right, which is what I did: what I thought was right.
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EBWOP:
the part in parenthesis should read (not referring to you specifically as you didn't really make any posts about people at all)
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
exo is this your first forum game?
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Exo looks ok and the mafia guy said he was town.
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On June 13 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote:
exo is this your first forum game?
on TL forums at least. The people here take it wayyy more seriously than I'm used to lol
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Well either you're a super good actor or you look like exactly someone that is thrown out of their comfort zone/doesn't know what's going on
So you're ok in my books
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strongandbig, ObiWanShinobi, justanothertownie, Meapak_Ziphh, kushm4sta, VayneAuthority
Last 5 are in there.
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Sandroba is an outsider. He needs to start saying smart things.
Poofter outsider. Got to respect VA reads when he is town.
Erandorr is not scum. A bit too carefree.
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On June 13 2014 13:43 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So who agrees I should be vigged?
Why or why not? I don't think you should because it would be really easy to lynch you Shooting is for players like Marv if you honestly believe he is bussing, because he has a shit ton of town cred... or me, for instance... It would be really hard to lynch either of us, and if you have a tell on us, then fire away but if you're not ballsy then just go for a lurker i'd just rather not shoot people I could lynch if I'm town ... IF we have a vig, that is!
This is damned scummy
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On June 13 2014 17:13 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 13:43 Bill Murray wrote:On June 13 2014 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So who agrees I should be vigged?
Why or why not? I don't think you should because it would be really easy to lynch you Shooting is for players like Marv if you honestly believe he is bussing, because he has a shit ton of town cred... or me, for instance... It would be really hard to lynch either of us, and if you have a tell on us, then fire away but if you're not ballsy then just go for a lurker i'd just rather not shoot people I could lynch if I'm town ... IF we have a vig, that is! This is damned scummy
nha, I agree with it. Just got to shoot the highest % chance scummer. Or shoot a guy that will get lynched the next day.
If I had a gun I would shoot MZ over Kush.
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On June 13 2014 17:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 17:13 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2014 13:43 Bill Murray wrote:On June 13 2014 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So who agrees I should be vigged?
Why or why not? I don't think you should because it would be really easy to lynch you Shooting is for players like Marv if you honestly believe he is bussing, because he has a shit ton of town cred... or me, for instance... It would be really hard to lynch either of us, and if you have a tell on us, then fire away but if you're not ballsy then just go for a lurker i'd just rather not shoot people I could lynch if I'm town ... IF we have a vig, that is! This is damned scummy nha, I agree with it. Just got to shoot the highest % chance scummer. Or shoot a guy that will get lynched the next day. If I had a gun I would shoot MZ over Kush.
then you're silly.
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it's silly because we have more than enough KP to kill off mafia (we have a lynch every day) whereas we do not have similarly large amounts of KP to kill off the detritus (only our vigilante(s)). So to waste our vigilantes on people we should be lynching is ridiculous.
If we want MZ to die then we try to lynch him, and as he is a pretty passable player by all accounts, he'll put up some sort of defence which will make it MUCH EASIER TO READ HIM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER
the detritus won't. kush will just go "lolol i'm jester lynch me" as you can see. SLam will just go "hahahaha you can never read me". This isn't useful. MZ defending himself is useful. He is a lynch, not a shot.
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On June 13 2014 18:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 17:30 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2014 17:13 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2014 13:43 Bill Murray wrote:On June 13 2014 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So who agrees I should be vigged?
Why or why not? I don't think you should because it would be really easy to lynch you Shooting is for players like Marv if you honestly believe he is bussing, because he has a shit ton of town cred... or me, for instance... It would be really hard to lynch either of us, and if you have a tell on us, then fire away but if you're not ballsy then just go for a lurker i'd just rather not shoot people I could lynch if I'm town ... IF we have a vig, that is! This is damned scummy nha, I agree with it. Just got to shoot the highest % chance scummer. Or shoot a guy that will get lynched the next day. If I had a gun I would shoot MZ over Kush. then you're silly.
bitch pls.
- MZ gave Obiwan a townread. When I ask him about this townread he says Obiwan is one of the best players in the game.
- MZ gives me crap because I said Ketomai is a random lynch. MZ says good points have been brought up against Ketomai. MZ votes VA for some reason. No reason why.
- Defended CR with sarcasm.
- Thinks marv is possible scum, asks marv his scumreads (I assume to determine marv alignment), marv asks mz his scumreads first, mz doesn't give them, still thinks marv is scum. Why bother to ask marv reads then? Was he scumhunting? Or was he asking his scumread for actual reads?
- Has gotten the same rating as TheKingOfTheCats by Palmars magic computer.
So if MZ is town he is just as useful as Kush. While Kush is good for thread atmosphere because he is funny mz is just cancer.
So shoot MZ = thx.
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see above. stop being bad.
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carry on being bad then. your choice i guess.
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it is pretty tempting to kill MZ for passively pushing suspicion on me though.
Although you'd think mafia would have learnt not to do that by now, I fucking love killing those people.
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So you think Kush as equal or better chance to flip mafia than MZ?
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