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On June 23 2014 12:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i said my reads weren't based on OMGUS, and there are people voting for me that i think are town.
You and meatpudding have a case of tunnel vision. Or what I call OMGUS.
1) scumreads the first few on your wagons
MP: Templar/teemu/me
MM: Nydus/cat
2) votes on 'scumreads' which comes with a near fabricated read.
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On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right.
OMGUSing to your death. Still fixated on Tolkien.
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Right, so I'll post a vote and flip analysis at n1. Don't expect it soon, I need to think what the votes stood for.
Most likely solar and mocha will be modkilled and replaced.
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On June 23 2014 13:20 Alakaslam wrote:
"Let them bring their own cases before the jury, Bones." the Captian replied.
Sure, captian Slam.
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On June 23 2014 18:53 Teemursu wrote:
Hi guys, I overslept a little bit and I seemed to miss half of the content day 1 (which seems to have appeared in the last 8 hours of d1 playtime). I'm starting to catch up now.
Can I post reads and respond to people, since people are posting now, or may I do it only once day begins?
Yea you can post reads anytime you want. I'm currently filterdiving.
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On June 22 2014 02:43 Teemursu wrote:
Depending on how rest of the day plays out, I feel like I'm probably going to vote on either TheKingOfCats or Meatpudding today. Hobbitus so far is on the fence with me. If he doesn't believe the world where both Templar and I are mafia, I would like to hear from him about rest of the game.
Yes. Given how you were initially thinking of voting for kotc and meatpudding, I would like to:
1) see what changed in your views of Hobbitus, kotc and meatpudding
2) reads from reading reads in the past 10+ pages (lol what a pun)
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On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? Show nested quote +"Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. .
Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt.
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EBWOP
LOL I am posting after your posts.
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On June 23 2014 19:12 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt. I definitely agree. Since I assume you were in the middle of all of the clusterfudge, how are you reading Tolkien from all of the interaction?
No pun in ten did AHAHAHAHA
Guess you'll have to wait for my night overall read for d1/n1.
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On June 23 2014 19:45 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding?
Sure.
1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding
2) Nydus' s hard push on MM
3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch
4) Templar's vote switching
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Dude that's alot lol. Is there more 
When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers.
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On June 23 2014 20:48 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:30 HaruRH wrote:Dude that's alot lol. Is there more When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers. I hope that wasn't too much, haha. I'll be happy to hear your thoughts on my ketchup.
I would like to know your read on me too. Brb food
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On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.  I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
Still contradictions in meatpudding's reads. You read teemu on potential scum, yet agree with him that tolkien feels scummy. So you think teemu is bussing tolkien now, or are you suggesting your scumread on teemu is lesser than tolkien?
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Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense.
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On June 23 2014 22:18 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:11 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Still contradictions in meatpudding's reads. You read teemu on potential scum, yet agree with him that tolkien feels scummy. So you think teemu is bussing tolkien now, or are you suggesting your scumread on teemu is lesser than tolkien? I read Teemu as scummier than Tolkien. But what Teemu has posted is a good analysis, he is trying to blend in with town after all. I am not going to go as far as suggesting that Teemu will bus Tolkien (assuming they're both scum). I will however keep an eye on how Teemu votes. He has stated that his opinions are subject to change. I don't see that as a scum tell, I think it's warranted to pressure me, Teemu, Cats and Tolkien next day. But I would pay attention to how his opinion shifts. I suspect Teemu will not give a scum read on Tolkien by day's end, and if so, I would look into the reasoning behind that.
You're just tunnelling on teemu at this point.
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On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a misslynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had.
Since you're here now kotc, can you reply some of my questions?
1) There was a seemingly pre-emptive defence on your cases before MM flip. Why?
2) If you thought he was town, why push then? If you thought he was scum, why the defense?
3) Explain your previous post again I don't get it.
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After you're done catching up, reply my questions below
On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote:
1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding
2) Nydus' s hard push on MM
3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch
4) Templar's vote switching
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On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
1)These 2 bolded quotes doesn't seem to agree with one another. So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. Or almost like you knew it would happen anyway.
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3) On June 23 2014 23:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:44 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 14:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:As soon as i saw this i knew he was going to flip green: On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right. Fuck. Anyway it's 6AM here and i really need some sleep so...  Just noticed this. What the heck? MM posted that after his lynch was locked in. He knew he was going to die so he stopped fighting and instead gave his thoughts on people that no-one else was discussing at the time, as scum there's no reason to do that because if he knew he was about to flip red he wouldn't bother to give quick scumreads on anyone because he'd know that they would be discounted as soon as he flipped and those last minute scumreads of his would actually give the people he mentioned townie points thus hurting his scumteam and if he was mafia he certainly wouldn't say what he said about Epishade in the thread.
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Now that I re-read the whole situation, I think my question applies for Tolkien instead of kotc.
On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
On June 23 2014 10:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Like, I can get GlowingBear jumping on me for being fine with a mislynch and not Cats because he wasn't loud about it. It's a plausible mistake. But I was loudly telegraphing my position on it, and he wasn't so it's fine. But to zero in on CATS and completely miss my stance and posts? NO FKING WAY.
On June 23 2014 12:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:Yes, I understand that it's certainly possible for me and GlowingBear to be mafia together: it would make some sense if you flipped green. It would suggest that me, GlowingBear, and meatpudding are mafia if you ascribe to that theory though (since there would have to be a clear motive to trying to push the bandwagon off meat...which doesn't match what I've been saying previously so... :psyduck: ). He'll probably be under my scrutiny D2. I still have no idea what kind of relationship I would have with you. It would be monumentally stupid of me to bus you as mafia (if you were mafia), since no one actually believed Cats until I supported his push. If you're town and I'm mafia, it would mean I would have to be pushing steam off meatpudding or Cats (the latter wasn't going to be lynched, let's be real)...despite me talking about lynching meatpudding as a preference, both before the Scott pressure votes and I withdrew it. If you're green, that makes no sense. :psyduck: I still don't see it. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you tell a blue role how to play and in a newbie game they start playing like that, then you are essentially fishing for roles. If they start listening to you, and you notice then you can shoot them in the night. Possible yes, but I was also saying lurking IN GENERAL is bad. If you're vanilla town its bad because you don't do anything and will probably get policy-lynched for it in a forum mafia game eventually, it's bad for blues because you'll get either lynched or shot because mafia will notice, and it's bad for mafia because people will notice. Town thrives on posts, so POST. That's the crux of what I was saying and aiming to promote.
On June 23 2014 12:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
who are you going to rule out when i flip green tolkien? ...they're ruled out when you're red. If green checking myself or Cats is a safe bet I would say and it means we probably will be under suspicion tomorrow heavily. And we won't die, most likely since we started the lynch.
On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die.
These few posts are just soft defense on himself. He is suggesting that he entertained the thought of a ML but went through with it anyway.
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