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On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing.
I'm mostly on the same page with you here.
On June 21 2014 23:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Basically you look out for people coming up with bad reasoning to lynch people, calling them on it and judging their responses to determine their alignment. Or you ask a lot of questions, fish for information, try to make people post more. The more people post the easier it is to determine their alignment. You're not just trying to find scum, you're trying to find town as well. That's the way i play at least.
So far TheKingOfCats hasn't been doing any of these things.
Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general?
What was a direct response to that post?
Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all.
I don't feel like any of the questions you've asked so far are pushing forward what you call your town play. You're not trying to find any scum/town nor trying to make people post about anything relevant.
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Depending on how rest of the day plays out, I feel like I'm probably going to vote on either TheKingOfCats or Meatpudding today. Hobbitus so far is on the fence with me. If he doesn't believe the world where both Templar and I are mafia, I would like to hear from him about rest of the game.
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Hi guys, I just woke up. Once I get my fix of video mafia, I'll be posting. I'm not going to catch up just yet, but if anyone has any questions or wants to talk a bit, let's do it! 8O)
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much.
It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding
I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.
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On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more?
I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon.
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##Vote Meatpudding
Not sure about formatting?
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On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?
What are the scum vibes?
I don't like your push on me. You jump into speculating about next night's night kills before even giving a good explanation/analysis of why I am coming off as scum.
I understand we're all newer players here, but please don't think someone is scum because they think you are scum or are pushing you to get reads. As I said before, I can't really figure out if you're mafia or just a newer player.
I would like for you to give your reads on people that haven't really been interacting with you. I would also really like to see you place a vote on someone. Voting on someone doesn't mean you have to stick by it, and it shows that you are willing to push on people and try to find mafia.
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On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend
Hi, jabber, what do you think of Meatpudding and Cats?
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On June 22 2014 14:45 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:38 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? What are the scum vibes? I don't like your push on me. You jump into speculating about next night's night kills before even giving a good explanation/analysis of why I am coming off as scum. I understand we're all newer players here, but please don't think someone is scum because they think you are scum or are pushing you to get reads. As I said before, I can't really figure out if you're mafia or just a newer player. I would like for you to give your reads on people that haven't really been interacting with you. I would also really like to see you place a vote on someone. Voting on someone doesn't mean you have to stick by it, and it shows that you are willing to push on people and try to find mafia. In short, the reason I find you suspicious is because you were leaning towards Templar being town when it was too early imo to make a read like that. That's why I was wondering if you are sticking by Templar being a townie. (I'm not sure yet.)
Like Nydus (we know each other from video mafia), we both get our reads from smaller things. Nydus gets very decent town reads, while I get even better scum reads day 1. I usually catch at least one mafia day 1 and try to push on it.
I gave some points on Cats, but he has started to ask better questions. Once he provides us with the information that he's gotten from the questions, I might start leaning town on him.
My updated read on Templar is still leaning town. I don't think his push on Scott is too bad, he keeps giving reasons for his push. Templar's play so far is very vanilla and he hasn't done anything to make me put him lower in my list from the initial slight town read I had on him.
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On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk.
Actually, I thought I had another point to bring up against you, but I reread one of your posts with a bunch of quoted spoilers and realized I misread it.
Well, that was mostly the dirt I came up with on you two. Only other suspicious post I saw was about Haruhi.
What's your read on Nydus?
My question and interaction comes from knowing him from video mafia and having played a lot of games with him.
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor.
I feel like you keep contradicting yourself. I'm being active and trying to scum hunt (as you seem to agree), while you say we can't possibly know who the scum is D1 and you're having suspicion on me based on my early reads on small things, which are generally strong and creating discussion anyway.
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Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum??
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On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum??
EDIT: Minus one question mark. 
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On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : )
Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk.
What's your read on Scott?
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I hope I'll get some real-time interactions with people in this game. I feel like it's a really good way to get some interactions (based on what I've read from other forum games). Can't assume that'd happen at this hour though, I guess,
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On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him?
Not too much, I haven't really formed a solid read on him yet. I like what you have to say though.
What do you think of Haru?
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Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy.
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On June 22 2014 16:06 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:04 Teemursu wrote:
I hope I'll get some real-time interactions with people in this game. I feel like it's a really good way to get some interactions (based on what I've read from other forum games). Can't assume that'd happen at this hour though, I guess, filters are super useful for finding contradictions, I like laying all the information out at once
I agree, I will filter people when I make cases, but I think RT interaction important too. People's alignment will come clearer through tone, since A) mafia will probably be very conscious about how they sound like and B) town will probably be a little careless about their posting (not in terms of logic necessarily, but tone).
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Jabber, I think you're leaning town on Meatpudding, right? Which wagon would you be willing to join at this point?
Kind of related to that, what do you think of Cats?
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TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him.
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Nydus, maybe reading you in text form isn't too much of a challenge after all. 8O)
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