EPTOn June 23 2014 03:42 Epishade wrote:
Ok, I just got back home guys. Reading through.
Ok, I just got back home guys. Reading through.
Read through my case on meatpudding. I would like your opinion.
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
Read through my case on meatpudding. I would like your opinion. | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though. 2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me. 3. HaruRH-On the fence I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours. 4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers. 5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu. 6. Solar424 (crickets chirp) 7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp) 8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved. 9. Hobbitus-town obviously 10. Teemursu-leaning scum I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch. 11. Epishade-leaning town Like the logic, want more posts. 12. Scott31337-on the fence Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled. 13. The_Templar-town A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn. 14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence His post just seems careless. Need more info. 15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) | ||
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jabberwockzerg
United States294 Posts
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On June 22 2014 15:34 Teemursu wrote: What's your read on Nydus? My question and interaction comes from knowing him from video mafia and having played a lot of games with him. I feel like you keep contradicting yourself. I'm being active and trying to scum hunt (as you seem to agree), while you say we can't possibly know who the scum is D1 and you're having suspicion on me based on my early reads on small things, which are generally strong and creating discussion anyway. When I say we can't possibly know who scum is D1, that doesn't mean I won't hold suspicions. I just mean to say that I'd much rather get rid of non-contributors or lurkers than someone who is talking at least. It might not be exactly the best move, as mafia can often talk quite a bit, but it's the best way that I see fit to play. Unless something really stands out to me as scummy, I'm generally not going to vote for someone who's talking a lot D1. You haven't said anything too scummy anyways at this point. I see a lot of people voting on meat, so I'm gonna take a look at that after I post this. As for Nydus, nothing he said sounded scummy to me either. He abandoned the speaking in haiku pretty quickly, which I thought was a little funny, but not really alignment indicative. In fact, I think what he said to Templar here gives me a slight town lead on him. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote: Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote: Responses to recent posts in this thread. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference? + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games). + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote: Will do. Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.  + Show Spoiler + Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: This post was a response to Templar: But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote: Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure. My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. When he's telling Templar to read Teemursu as if he had no video mafia experience prior, it's like he wants Templar to give more information in his reads. I personally didn't really think Templar was holding anything back based on his inexperience with video mafia (I just think he had a null read overall on Teemursu), and I don't exactly know what Nydus hoped to accomplish here in regards to Templar adding anything new, but it seems like a townie move anyways to me. I don't see a scum caring to coach Templar how to more accurately read someone, as much or as little as it may help regardless. | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg for now. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
For now, until I can read filters more thoroughly. That was all I asked for. My vote was purely to pressure and gauge your reaction. I'll post my thoughts (soon tm). | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkien (0): TheKingOfTheCats (2): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1 meatpudding (4): Teemursu, HaruRH (1): meatpudding jabberwockzerg (1): Hobbitus Not voting (6): TheKingOfTheCats, Solar424, GlowingBear, Epishade, BlondeMocha, Lord Tolkien Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 4 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
Cats is asking a lot of questions, which he included in his little how to guide to play town. I also like how he hasn't jumped on a wagon. then yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. Then votes meatpudding? | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On June 23 2014 03:52 HaruRH wrote: Read through my case on meatpudding. I would like your opinion. Alright, so I read through your case. I really wouldn't have read meat any scummy for his previous posts. This is the only post I see as scummy, for reasons that you brought up yourself. On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote: Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum. ##Vote: HaruRH Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me. I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off. Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here. On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info. Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here. Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads. That's all I have for now. One thing I dislike is when someone accuses someone else of something without listing specifics. Like, meat here accuses Haruhi of asking vague questions and not pushing town agenda. Without referencing or quoting Haruhi's posts where she actually does this, we have no way to agree or disagree with you without having all the information. meat does specifically mention Hobbitus, but he doesn't elaborate on how that contradicts what Haruhi said. (It might afaik, but quoting specific posts and then explaining your position is still always better and more clear than referencing things). Idk where he gets his information regarding Teemursu and Templar playing together, but Templar said that was wrong. Idk why he would bring up information that he wasn't completely sure about and saying it with certainty (ie, he didn't say 'I think Teemursu and Templar played together'). His read on Templar is kind of an obvious thing to say to begin with. "I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info." Well, obviously if Templar were mafia, he'd be likely to give false info that would benefit him more than anything. Saying that he could be giving false info is kind of redundant, unless meat means that he thinks Templar is town, but is still giving false info for whatever reason. Again, there's no elaboration here as to what he thinks might be false or not. meat gives a lot of reads without going very in-depth with them. It's more than just his vote on Haruhi, which I also disagree with. I'm not opposed to a meat vote right now. Vote: meatpudding @meat, I'm not opposed to changing this either in favor of someone else though. If you can convince me otherwise, I can change. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:25 Hobbitus wrote: Jabber on Cats: then Then votes meatpudding? I didn't even notice this. Though JabberZerg does say he votes just in case so he's not modkilled, I would like a response from Jabber as to why he voted meat instead of Token. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote: If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know. Yes I do have many questions. 1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads? In your read, you said that 8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved. 2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with? 3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with? 4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott? | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:37 Epishade wrote: Err, maybe Haruhi's case made him change his mind and he just didn't mention that then? Just thought of that. I like how you're calling me haruhi now. The unknowing god approves I think we need jabber to explain this vote of his. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it. I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice. I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie. TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda. I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads. I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:39 GlowingBear wrote: Hey guys! Late as always. As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it. I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice. I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie. TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda. I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads. I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH. Sup there glowingbear :D Never too late you can just call me haruhi like epishade or haru. I think the first thing you should do is to read everyone's reads and comment on them. We would like to see what you think. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:39 GlowingBear wrote: Hey guys! Late as always. As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it. I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice. I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie. TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda. I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads. I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH. I said that Cats was my best guess for scum a while ago, before Scott started posting blank posts and meatpudding started becoming very paranoid. He hasn't done anything to change my opinion completely, but it is slightly lessened due to his last post. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkien (0): TheKingOfTheCats (2): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1 meatpudding (5): Teemursu, HaruRH (1): meatpudding jabberwockzerg (1): Hobbitus Not voting (5): TheKingOfTheCats, Solar424, GlowingBear, BlondeMocha, Lord Tolkien Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 5 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:41 HaruRH wrote: Sup there glowingbear :D Never too late you can just call me haruhi like epishade or haru. I think the first thing you should do is to read everyone's reads and comment on them. We would like to see what you think. Alright, Haru ;D I'm having lunch with parents now, so I'll do it when I get home. Expect a huge post a couple hours from now. I want to write something I've analyzed about lurking. | ||
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