EPTNewbie Mini Mafia LVI - Page 2
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
Cats is asking a lot of questions, which he included in his little how to guide to play town. I also like how he hasn't jumped on a wagon. then yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. Then votes meatpudding? | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:37 HaruRH wrote: Yes I do have many questions. 1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads? In your read, you said that Can you give me some specific contradictions? 2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with? And on Templar giving lots of information, which is most likely good. 3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with? The first part is the part you retracted, I believe? If so, no problem there. Do you still suspect Tolkien bc he changed his target from meatpudding to scott? I thought his argument there was reasonable, it just makes me a little nervous that you saw it as SUPER scummy  4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott? You definitely have a point, neither are doing a very good job of substantiating reads. Like I said, I'm on the fence about scott, he has definite scum potential. I just think that, based off the rest of his posts, he has a better case for making newbie mistakes. @jabber can still change my mind | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:48 The_Templar wrote: Hobbitus, I would like to hear more about your opinion on Nydus if that's ok. Hmm, it's a general feeling. Everything he posts seems pretty reasonable. For example: On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote: Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I thought Teemu's aggressive style might be for the purpose of reaction testing (that's why I left the suggestion of him having "a strategy" so ambiguous), so I liked hearing that thought backed up by someone who knows him. Then after defending Teemu, he reread his posts and called him out on his play style. This reconsideration makes me think favorably of him. However, he does tell people to stop judging Teemu based on video mafia, when he was doing that at the beginning... Either way, I think the Teemu/Nydus interactions would be good ones to watch. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:35 HaruRH wrote: Btw, question 1 and 3 were meant for your thoughts my meatpudding read. Oh I see. I think that meatpudding might have voted you the same reason I voted jabber. Basically we only suspect teemu and one other player as mafia, but we don't want to vote teemu bc he actually talks. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote: *final appended note, I'm unsure about Teemu now. A change from my solid town read earlier, though I think I need to reread his filter a couple more times. Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion. Or teemu could just post some more. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
 Could you try to give me a complete argument just for voting meatpudding? With so many votes on him, there might be something I'm missing bc I still don't quite see him as scum. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want. I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me. meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru. MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green. It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at with meatpudding. Unless someone can tell me how anything he's done might have furthered a mafia agenda, rather than being indicative of bad town. Your analysis on MM... that's a really good case. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
| ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: Going to have to agree with Cats again: as I also noted in my large wall-o-text, I'd be fine with meatpudding because he'd finally clear things up about Teemu and the others who voted on him early. And he's probably useless to town. Let's agree to consolidate on EITHER meatpudding or MysteryMeat1, until we hear something back, alright? No stray votes anywhere else, let's do our best not to let mafia influence the voting. I am not changing my vote to either of the meats just yet. If mafia are going to influence the voting, now is the time, and I made my vote earlier, before the MM push. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want. I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:35 jabberwockzerg wrote: Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on? Specifically why you switched from a town read on meatpudding to voting him. | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? | ||
|
Hobbitus
222 Posts
On June 23 2014 10:40 Lord Tolkien wrote: The general advice I've gotten is that town should generally aim to consolidate voting onto a few bandwagons. Having votes everywhere gives mafia the power of a unified voting block. The more disparate the voting, the easier it is for mafia to hide their influence on the actual votes. If everyone consolidates, they have nowhere to hide. Vote for who you think is the most scummy, but who else is an option besides the meats for you? While I very much dislike jabber's schizophrenic opinions, voting for jabber gets us nothing, in my opinion, at this stage. meatpudding gives us insight onto the people who started the vote and push onto him, and I would say taht MysteryMeats' lynch will give you insight as to Cats' (and my own). If you can compile a case, do it already: we're running out of time. Yes but I am concerned about the slim chance that we are consolidating on two individuals that would strengthen the scum position. Again, this might be a long shot, and it's pretty clear that one of the meats is going to go, but I at least wanted to say it before the night was over. | ||
| ||
