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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:13 GMT
#903
Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:30 GMT
#905
Which one?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:36 GMT
#906
Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar.

I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it.

In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:46 GMT
#908
On May 30 2014 04:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum?

Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar

Cell C:
HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now.
Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen.
ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo.

Cell D
Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null.
ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan.
Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake.

Cell E
Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky.
27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me.
Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well.

So my scum team looks like this:
Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi .


It's not correct to say I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" lots of people. It would be correct to say that I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" specific things lots of people did. There were very few people I actually didn't like.



This was a super odd return to the thread and back to afk btw. Anyway, focusing on mz's reads here he has bumsnacks as scummyish because all his reads are don't like this etc etc which is entirely what mz's reads are.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:57 GMT
#912
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:11 GMT
#916
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:12 GMT
#918
Cell d is literally the shittest group ever in the history of shit cell groups and i said it would be that way and ritoky still ignored it to put an easy free point group at the end.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:15 GMT
#920
Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:18 GMT
#923
On May 30 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.

So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way?

Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all.


It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that?

Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:19 GMT
#924
On May 30 2014 11:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote:
Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot

This game especially.
Is changing one's mind seen as a scummy or towny trait generally?


Null to town but you do that in every game so i kinda just want words down in thread so you're accountable for things later.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:20 GMT
#928
On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.

You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?

It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.

ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.

I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'


Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now.

If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it.


So then nobody is going to mention what i wrote about mderg then earlier in regards to this? :/
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:22 GMT
#931
On May 30 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.

So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way?

Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all.


It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that?

Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more.

Eh I was wrong about the replacement thing last time and SHiaoPi is an honourable guy and would replace out as either alignment if he needed to. Not looking into that.

Now surely you can't possibly be telling me that you truly believe that Robik would come in blaring his intentions, being completely serious about them, and move on in a heartbeat? AND that that somehow makes him scum?


Have you ever played with robik? That's the first thinf he'd do!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:23 GMT
#933
On May 30 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.


Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:24 GMT
#934
On May 30 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
@Bunnies what is the difference between RNG a mafia from each cell and just tunneling random people for reads?

The answer is NOTHING.

We start off with nothing tunnel on someone and get reads off it.



Stop talking about rng and bunnies. You're wrong on both accounts. Have you read the game yet?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:28 GMT
#937
On May 30 2014 11:27 mtamburini wrote:
No I have not I'm heading into work now will be back in 10 hours. Just read bunnies filter and she keeps trying to bury me for the RNG mafia post I did.


Because it's useless and you're still talking about it rather than everything else in the game abd especially the lynch that's happening today.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:31 GMT
#940
On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.

You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?

It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.

ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.

I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'


Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now.

If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it.

I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all.
Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example).

Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'.

Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town?


I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing.


Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:39 GMT
#944
Vote here
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:40 GMT
#945
No idea who pushed first think it was pretty universal anti thrawn
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:43 GMT
#946
I hate hate hate this order -.- it's such a mafia favoured one
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:44 GMT
#948
Really makes me want to lynch ritoky for it and it's one of my biggest qualms
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