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since there is no cannons I should have time for this. | ||
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This small setup is interesting. How long do days normally last? | ||
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On May 05 2014 10:29 Holyflare wrote: 9) Vivax Take the name vivax. When you put each letter to it's corresponding number (A=1 etc) for Vivax's name you get 22922124. When I put 22922124 into google, the first result I get is a Seat Heater Pad for GM (http://www.newgmparts.com/oe-gm/22922124). Who is GM on the site of mafia? GMARSHAL!!!!!!! What does he take charge of? The banlist! Who gets banned? Bad people. In a game of mafia, who are the bad people? THE MAFIA. Remember how this all links back to GMarshal? Some could even say he was "The Godfather" of the banlist. What does Vivax say in his first post? Vivax is mafia with Steve. His name is complete proof of it and he played the ballsy move of revealing his scum team for later plays. ##Vote Vivax How long does it take mafia to write a concession speech? #wrekt HF you get vivax I'll get Steve because the more ballsy mafia should live longer. ##vote:Steveling | ||
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On May 05 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote: you need to Bote: Vivax in the boting thread There is a boting thread? Wow. ##Bote:: Steveling | ||
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@Steve what character is Cav? | ||
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##Unbote ^^because it was pure troll and for reactions I honestly don't know what came of it yet cause I haven't read but I don't want a random swing before I can get back to the thread | ||
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HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town. Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else. I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced. Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest. Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi. | ||
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Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy. If U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game. (Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional) | ||
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If I'm right Steve I think knows Vivax is town so he tries to buy favor by pushing people away saying this guy is super town back off. Then in a couple pages suddenly has a vote on him just begging for one more. I need to retread later but sounds like Steve goes from saying someone is town to "fuck it let's vote" way too fast. That make more sense? | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:21 Koshi wrote: What is it of Vivax that reads scummy to you? What attack? Only that? Vivax reads scummy to me in the games I've played with him. I even cased him pretty hard in dr who when we were both town so I'm trying to keep an open mind but when Steve said that it jumped out at me as "he knows more than me" | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:26 Steveling wrote: Lol poofter. Or we can switch to him. Just kill anyone huh? You got a hot date you need to get to? Why did you chnsge on vivax so fast Steve? If you outlined it somewhere can you link me? | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:30 Koshi wrote: You just said. "Vivax reads scummy to me, his attack was forced" What is it in this game that is scummy and why? Nothing is scummy this game? Are you saying that Vivax always looks scummy and we should be afraid he will flip town? Vivax the way he posts always seemed scummy to me. Like everyone should start off in your neutral pile but for me he starts slightly scum because of his like tone or feel. So I find what Steve said about him really scummy. Like he differs so strongly then pushes the Lynch hard. Like Steve thinks he can get a quick ML on vivax but put that bit about super town vivax in so he can look good post flip. | ||
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Anyone else think what I said about Steve is scummy? Night boyz | ||
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On May 08 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: Poofter his reasoning to vote Steveling and his reasoning for "allowing" a Vivax lynch is so bad. Vivax is town but don't mind me I always read him as scummy. Steve is scum but might be town because he helped me win last game. This isn't what I was saying in the slightest. Steve wasn't allowing a Vivax lynch he went from Vivax is town get off this guys nuts On May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote: I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol. Very nice and logical posts. On May 07 2014 02:21 Steveling wrote: Can you guys drop this, vivax is super towny. If he's scum he deserves to win. I can't read him as scum. On May 07 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote: I said multiple times that I find his behavior perfectly normal. To Vivax need to do something to hes only defending himself suddenly hes neutral. On May 07 2014 14:00 Steveling wrote: VIVAX Only thing I have against vivax is that he only defended himself so far, not a single read on anoyone. I want to see real posts or I'll give him scum points. LETS ALL VOTE VIVAX in the course of like 4 pages. While he just made a HUGE case on Oats he throws that away to vote on someone he read previously as town then neutral then scum super fast imo. On May 07 2014 19:48 Steveling wrote: Alright guys, let's do this. Let's prove how nonsensical this is. ##unbote ##vote:Vivax On May 07 2014 19:50 Steveling wrote: 1 more vote and we lynch, come on guys. On May 07 2014 20:24 Steveling wrote: Come on guys, put your vote where your mouths are. Bote for bibax. I never said Vivax is town... I said IF Steve is scum Vivax is town because he seemed to be really confident on his alignment but didn't even read his filter or try to defend his REALLY STRONG TOWN READ. Instead he voted him. This last point is the only one I will give you in that I worded it poorly from my ipad. What I was meaning to say was that I think Steve is scummy but, the only townie bit of him is that his read on me based on a previous game was correct in that in Cell Mafia when I was scum I just kinda fucked off so it was slightly townie to bring that up, had nothing to do about winning or w.e. To Clarify: Steve goes from Town > Neutral > Scum lets vote and get him lynched on Vivax AND he said "This is nonsensical" then proceeds to push the vote. Why does TownSteve push to lynch someone just because people say hes scummy???? Why not defend him? Why does he then play cheerleader to get the hammer??? This is just weird. Steve can you explain to me your thought process? | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:35 thrawn2112 wrote: steve wagon seems so scummy koshi you agree? Care to explain what about it is scummy? Where am I wrong in my logic and mderg's? How is it townie to vote off your town read to prove you're right? | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote: tehpoofter who else do you think is mafia? Not really sure on number 2 tbh. I get a town vibe from HF. I really like that me and mderg are melding on the Steve thing his post he made while I was writing mine looked like the same stuff and reasoning which to me is good. So between you koshi Oats I found that thing really early scummy from oats. I didn't like the questions Koshi asked and the points he brought up on me because he was misrepresenting what I was saying like he didn't read what I wrote properly or skewed it to look scummier on purpose. | ||
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On May 08 2014 01:10 Holyflare wrote: Like, if you were town I'd expect you to at least listen and acknowledge someone's comments when they think someone is scum. If you were town you'd reread your super towns filter when a lot of people call him scum. I'd get if you said "hey i read vivax's filter and what you guys were saying has some merit let's talk it out" You just reread it and said he was too defensive and then all of a sudden it's "hey poofter the guy i think is scummy said we should lynch vivax, i give up let's lynch him!" Huuuuuh? He was trying to lynch vivax before I even posted. | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:59 thrawn2112 wrote: too vague for me. can you narrow it down to who you think is scummiest and why? Sucks for you that its too vague I don't have anything more concrete atm aside from: Read my case it was all in response to Koshi misrepresenting what I said. That is the main point I'm referring to about Koshi. The Oats read has been rehashed a lot since the beginning he also just hammered on a town. (this is always scummy but not heavily alignment indicative as being the last one to be wrong in a case where we really didn't have a strong 2nd wagon going so it wasn't really to save anyone) So do you think that everyone on steve is scummy? Or just me? what about mderg? | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:53 thrawn2112 wrote: it's definitely stupid but that doesn't have to make it scummy. do you think that that's the way scum decides to put someone at L-1? if steve was scum, knowing that vivax was town, and knowing that we were probably about to lynch vivax, do you think he'd make the L-1 vote and do it in a way that looks as bad as he did? he would have at least pretended to think that vivax was mafia. there's no way any scum player votes like that, it's simply too shitty and draws too much attention to himself. and like I said. if you are scum, and going to put a townie at L-1 you at least pretend to scum read them. So you don't disagree that what Steve did was scummy? IT was against a town mindset.... its just "too scummy to be scum" I think if you do something scummy you should be pressured for it especially if what you did got a town Mislynched in an infinite day when discussion was still going. I'm sorry but you're trying to give a free pass to someone who did something against his own win con if hes town. That shit does not fly. He needs to be pressured to talk about why he made this decision and what he hoped to gain information wise by lynching someone he thought was townie. Do you honestly think someone who does something like that should just get a free pass and be off the table? But people pointing out something scummy someone does that is bad for town should be looked at? Come on thrawn your logic is better than that. | ||
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It would be really funny if the part I bolded in the above post was thrawn like in thread coaching his scum buddy Steve Although I'd never base a read off it just struck me as humorous. | ||
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On May 08 2014 07:23 thrawn2112 wrote: no i dont disagree that it was stupid. but stupid is often townie. suicidal plays usually dont come from scum. Fundamentally I agree with you but derailing pressure before it even gets started and he can respond is silly. We don't gain any information as town from that. Someone doing something super scummy should be pressured I don't understand why you are hard defending him before he even has a chance to give his answer to why he did things. | ||
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On May 08 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote: The list I made was like a puzzle. I started this game thinking I needed 5 townreads and this game would be easy but it is impossible to get 5 townreads in this game. I really thought Vivax was scum because he refused to play the game like I know he can. If you want I can explain my townreads at that time. But a lot is based on feels and Vivax being scum... Even though that isn't allowed... I still think mderg/poofter are the lynches for tomorrow and should be copchecked. If we have on because it sounds pretty strong. mderg and poofter had me as town I think and now that I make a comment on poofter & HF during night suddenly they both flip their reads on me? kk HF should be town. I also felt he did the work I did in normall ass mafia but I don't like him anymore. Vivax had him and you as scum... I even forgot about you... Damn this game. So Koshi I have only called you town in one instance here: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Apologies for my absence. HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town. Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else. I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced. Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest. Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi. Aside from that I haven't said that you were town. I didn't yet check to see mderg's stance on you. My read still is that you're trying hard to get pressure off Steve while he just flounders and sorta quits. Like does his reaction seem townie? The point of calling steve scummy is to put pressure on him for doing something scummy. Can you explain to me what feeling you get from Steve's reaction for the pressure and self voting? "omfg kill HF you guys are idiots I'll laugh at you post game" is basically his whole defense. Why is he not just shrugging off the pressure and trying to find other scum he mentioned something briefly about oats/HF scum team last night. At the EoD yesterday he seemed willing to switch to Oats or me. I feel like Steve if he is town needs to step it up and show his towniness instead of rolling over and dying because if we ML here tomorrow is Lylo which is really bad. If he is scum then keep it up and we will ride this to victory! Oats/Cav what are your feelings on the situation? Can you comment on all those involved myself/steve/koshi/mderg. | ||
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On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote: Forgot ##bote Steveling Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy. If U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game. (Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional) This post has been brought up a couple times and I worded it poorly. What I mean to say here after boting steve is this. Steve gave a read on me that I was scummy for playing similar to the game me and him played together as scum in Cell Mafia. IF I was trying to read me as town I think that read makes sense given my limited availability. The part about the fact that we won that game was pointless and has no effect/never should have an effect on my read. I only gave him townie points for noticing a similar meta. | ||
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On May 09 2014 06:07 Steveling wrote: How is any of my plays justified if I'm scum? And what are we waiting for? Let's get this over with. The town will believe me post mortem at least. I'm going to sleep now, if when I check this thread again I'm not lynched, you guys have to be flipping bad to not see what's going on. ##unbote ##bote: Steveling I really hope you're scum because post like this make the game really boring if you're town. Rolling over and dying because a couple people are scum reading you is ridiculous. This is over acting whininess and AtE, I can't decide if he is more likely to do this as town or mafia but either way its against the spirit of the game. Speech if you're town: Step it the fuck up and convince us who the scum are! Tell me why you decided voting your town read was a good idea. Tell me why Oats and Hf are scummy. Please do so with more than just 2 sentences like quote some posts. I saw your Oats case from yesterday wasn't the worst. We need more than this though or town is going to straight up lose. Speech if you're scum: Keep up the good work! | ||
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Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here. | ||
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On May 09 2014 08:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Like why is the game boring if hes town? its not boring, its fucking annoying. Its boring because if Steve is town here and hes basically giving up he is ruining the game for town and giving scum a free win. I want to play an engaging game where both sides try hard and town wins. Like honestly even if Steve is scum here its still boring because finding him was really easy. Its nice when scum rolls over but the feeling when you don't know what happened until the flip is a fun one. So boring. I'll give you annoying too though. | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote: ^^^^ like this point a lot. Poofter keep saying everything about steve points to being scum. Then says if you're town you have to step up, oats case was good stuff. If Steveling's actions only point towards scummy, why would his case on you be good and why make a motivation speech if his actions are only scummy. I can agree with anyone's case. Maybe hes bussing Oats maybe he is actually not scum look at this game right now everyone but Koshi and afk Cav seems to think that Steve is scum. So either Koshi is like the hardest defending mafia partner ever and this game will be quick and ez. Maybe Steve is getting hardcore bussed. I'm going to give everyone a chance to prove themselves. This is majority lynch so if a town roles over and dies like he is doing its easy to get a misslynch pushed as scum. @Oats I said you were scummy from your earlier post when Koshi asked me for another scum read. Trying to say "We lynch X today and Y tomorrow" is scummy. Who knows what the day will bring what will be said 1 day at a time is the townie mindset. @HF ScumSteve could have cased a partner I've done it before and will do it again. Especially if it makes your partner look good its not like Steve ever pushed on that. Also Steve could be town (I'm still leading he is scum but notice I haven't voted him today) As town you should be looking at all your options and interactions. I am surprised you agree with Oats' point here tbh. | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:03 Oatsmaster wrote: What? If steve is town its pretty much Lylo. Best part of every game. Thats not boring. If steve is scum, thats also not boring. thanks for the scumslip bro. Lylo isn't boring for sure but wasting a misslynch cause a town gave up is boring its basically just saying "damn we should have just let scum have 3kp last night" it happens a lot in video mafia cause people are wusses and don't raise their hands. Why is that a scumslip? Do you think slips in general catch you a lot of scum? | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote: Also cav thinks steve is scum too. It is literally only koshi that doesn't (mabe oats to an extent) So what is his likely teammate? I still think steve is scum btw but if he is town I want him to not give up and screw up the game for us cause right now he would have all the botes except Koshi. Do you find it odd that everyone seems to agree? For me I think that Koshi is too obvious does he generally hardcore defend as mafia? I don't know his meta and am far too lazy to read. Cav is an option since hes been kinda lurky but they did have that early interaction that I remember thinking sounded like they weren't scumbuddies. Oats seems to be pushing for him then me gotta plan that shit out! | ||
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I have no clue his alignment I think he is scummy I gave him an out IF he is town. The word "If" is in the sentence please read accordingly. | ||
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I think him not questions steve in the least or being like "hey man I'm trying to help you wtf are you doing?" is really weird and scummy. @HF can you address my questions about everyone being on steve and what that makes you think about his alignment? Also does Oats like to point out slips more or less as either alignment? | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:19 Holyflare wrote: Yeh but it's not if he is town it's if a town rolls over - like he is doing. My grammar could be better here the point I am making was if steve is town and he is rolling over like he seems to be doing. I can see it being read like you have it though. | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:42 Holyflare wrote: I kind of just want to rip off the band aid and lynch steveling tbh. Given him 3 or 4 days of questioning and outs to explain himself and he just called me mafia repeatedly instead of playing the game. I gave my speech to him if it does nothing in the next time australians should post then I'm down. In the meantime what is your read on mderg and Koshi? I'm about to have dinner but I might get productive and dive some filters later if Steve is still silent. | ||
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@Cav Just fyi when you go to Day 2 you're required to post when alive. What you thinking about everything? | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:25 Holyflare wrote: What do you hope to achieve with a motivational speech? If he is scum he just starts posting and you rethink everything all over again, you have to ask him direct questions about his play in the game otherwise he can just fabricate things. This also let's you slide by without putting in the effort to question him. A Speech is designed to reach out to someone who may feel cornered. It happens a lot in video mafia where someone has no clue what to say and look hella nervous. If they are scum they act a particular way if they are town more likely that act another way (its very vague and not important because its live but still) reacting to a speech can give you a better tell on someones alignment. If they just sit there and cry about how wrong everyone is they're going to get lynched its just not how to play. I have posted questions to him. About what his thought process is about the Vivax situation and he has largely ignored them. I can repost them for him but if hes not motivated to read my questions he can't answer them. If he ignores the speech the lynch him anyways. | ||
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On May 07 2014 22:13 LoneMeow wrote: Night 1 <insert flavor here> Final bote count: Vivax (5): Cavalinho (0): Steveling (1): Koshi (0): Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Not boting (2): mderg, Vivax Vivax the Naive Recruit (Vanilla Townie) is lynched. Remember to send your night actions to all hosts. So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block. If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark. Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route. Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction. I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2. | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:38 Holyflare wrote: Right, why would he feel cornered if he "knew vivax's alignment all along" or "knows that we are scum"? That screams the opposite of being cornered. Being cornered and responding with i don't knows or i can't remember is town. Responding with refusals and absolutes is normally mafia. I agree. Basically I'm trying to get a read on steve more so than just super obviously scummy thing he did at EoD occasionally donkey town do shit like that and I don't want to go to lylo just cause someone was playing odd. He has yet to change my mind and silence will just make me more sure he is mafia. I'm pretty sure HF me and you may just be argueing about which method is best to push on someone scummy but we actually have similar intentions. I also agree where the hell is everyone else? Like discussion please!!! Steve only has 2 bote I think were hitting mafia with him but there is one more, feel free to raise your hand or townie people point them out. | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:51 Holyflare wrote: Kinda happy for thrawn, he got to escape. Some day I shall be freeeee! f that we winning this game HF help me find the scum and glad you stay up. I might be awake when you rise if you're going to bed. If not i'll see ya tomorrow. I'm heading out of work right now. Other people be town please!! ! | ||
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On May 09 2014 13:21 Cavalinho wrote: Hi. Apologies for the afk, got some real life shit going on at the moment. Going to be as active as I can, but don't expect miracles. Let's get to work. I'm not really sure we should vote off Steveling today. Martyrs are usually town more often than not, so I feel like lynching him after he selfvotes like this wouldn't be a great idea. If he's scum, I seriously doubt he would just roll over and die if people started scumreading him. Maybe it's just me. His play hasn't been stellar, so I'm definitely not crossing him off the list, but I think we should look at other people today. If we believe Koshi's rb claim, I think Poofter might be a good lynch. Koshi raised some good points about what Poofter has done this game, and when compared to what he was doing outside of it...It isn't good. I also think Oats might be a good lynch. Steveling and I have both pointed out his opportunism throughout this game thus far, but the rest of his filter at the time seemed pretty town to me. I'm going to pick through what he said thus far and see if he's another viable lynch candidate today. TLDR: I think we should lynch between Steveling/Poofter/Oats. I still think HF is town, and at face value Koshi is town as well. Mderg is slightly townie. Will do more research and post findings ASAP to see where the town stands. To Here: On May 09 2014 14:53 Cavalinho wrote: Koshi, please post a case on Poofter. I'm trying to see what makes him scummy, but I'm looking at his filter and it looks supertown to me. Maybe I just suck, but I really, really want to see your side of things. ??? I mean I'm glad you seem to realize my shit is townie but like why do you want koshi to convince you? Why are you not convincing koshi I'm town. Like I guess you read my filter and were impressed but like this is really odd. I mean what if you don't suck and I'm just town? I don't understand why this is your mindset. ' Also why do you believe that Koshi was RBed? What about it sprung as true to you? | ||
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On May 09 2014 14:14 Cavalinho wrote: @Holyflare why is it that you believe Koshi's claim but you think he's null anyway? @Poofter what makes you so sure that there were two scum on Vivax? Is it associative reads and such or merely PoE? I noticed that you don't have mderg as town but you exclude him from your list of scumreads. Why isn't he scum? @Koshi what are your current reads and why don't you want to lynch Steveling? Also, I just looked through Oats' filter and I want to know his current reads. He says Poof is scum but doesn't back it up with anything. His second page was towny but I want a little more substance than what he has done at the moment. And he's still being opportunistic wtf. I read HF as town I know I'm town and I mentioned it at least wtice that mderg was more townie for me because we had a mindmeld situation on the whole STeve thing. So it was more PoE for me. How many scum do you think voted? | ||
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On May 09 2014 15:32 Steveling wrote: My post wasn't a case? You're alive congradulations. Did town make a mistake not sending you off in your sleep? Why are me HF/Oats scummy? Like by case I think he means point out posts that make us more likely to be scum than town. | ||
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On May 09 2014 15:04 Cavalinho wrote: Actually, I have another question for Poofter: Why are you commenting on what my scumgame would be? I have a bunch of problems with opening this can of worms: A) I have yet to actually roll scum in a forum game. There's 0 meta to work with, and nobody was considering me scum until I had to go afk for the day. Then you start thinking, "oh, he could be scum" and you come up with this asinine explanation for what kind of scum I would be out of nowhere. B) You said you were getting townvibes from me, and then you start thinking I could be scum because...? I don't see a single reason for anyone scumreading me right now (aside from being afk, maybe) but then you draw some asinine conclusion that I would bus my partner based on...? What in the world made you start thinking you could/wanted to lynch me? I feel like the fact that you haven't played scum is what would do it. In a forum scum game if you're with steven adn you see him going down in flames the move to bus him makes a lot of sense as a new to scum player you can use it as credibility right there. ^^this answers both a and b. I don't feel like not having meta doesn't matter. I feel like a new to scum player is more likely to do that than try to help their partner. I only starting reading you as scum for just saying that you thought steve was mafia. seemed bussy. I did have town vibes from you they're just vibes they change if you vibe mafia that doesn't look good for you. | ||
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On May 09 2014 17:22 mderg wrote: that´s because you read him correctly without giving proper reasons and still voted him. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This This is why. Read this steve nad respond. This is the logic why people think you're scummy. | ||
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On May 09 2014 17:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Man poof keeps flipping from saying things from the perspective that steve is town to steve is scum. Its weird shit. mderg, why am I scummy for making a case on a townie and hammering a townie. It feels like you are looking too hard for reasons to avoid calling me town at this point. I don't know the world that steve is actually in so I want to look at it from both worlds. Do you think that flipping like that is more mafia or town inclined? Like you say its weird... does weird=scummy. | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:16 Koshi wrote: @poofter Why is your vote not on Steve? Everything you say about other people is in correlation with Steve being mafia. Except when you talk about Steve then he is 50% town 50% scum. My actually % is much higher that he mafia than town probably 85% mafia and 15% town. The reason I'm not voting is because I want to engage others in conversation and see where they are at and talk about a lynch before it happens. If people don't give their opinions and talk about a lynch then it happens its harder to garner information but if you can get people's viewpoints and the like you gain MUCH MUCH MUCH more information. If we instantly voted steve it doesn't give us a whole lot to go on no matter what his alignment is. We need people to talk about their reads and interact with others and project the mindset to figure this out. If this was a normal type of lynch system my vote would have been on steve the whole time because I think he is mafia and I know that no matter what we have 48 hours to talk about this and decide whats best for town. I want to learn things from a vote. In this setup I could vote go to sleep and wakeup to a lynch that happened over night. | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:02 Steveling wrote: Don't you guys find it weird how they appear to shift their attention from me? Multiple people said I was 100% lynch for this day, so where are their votes? I point you to my post where gaining information from interacting with people gets us a lot more as town than just instantly lynching. If you were a red check or something then thats different but this is just a reads lynch so no one should be 100% sure. I think I've been pushing on you the longest and I admit I'm only like 85%. Steve are you going to play the game? Like you are acting like you've never played mafia before. Its silly. What about me is the most scummy thing? I'm one of your scum suspects. Do you think HF or me is more likely to be town since we both think you're mafia but he has had your vote on you for several hours? | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:32 Koshi wrote: What are you looking for with these questions? Why would I fakeclaim RB? If you fakeclaim that you got RB and you're scum and someone else gets RBd later in the game they might think "hey that happened to me guess I better believe it happened to that other guy the night before" Also its more that he Instantly believed you. I feel like town would be more skeptical of such a claim. Like its honestly more alignment indicative that he believes you were RBd than you saying you were Rbd. That make sense? The voting question is a good question to ask because it makes people think about how votes went down and where they read people. If I read HF and mderg as town then I think 2 scum voted and the lynch makes more sense then I just need to decide as scum when is the most likely time I'd vote on a ML day 1. Also it makes people read everyone in the game in a small way as they have to use PoE to figure out the number of scum that voted. Its not something super strong to go off but the whole conversation at that point was about Steve so spuring other forms of discussion is good for town it makes it hard for scum when they have to talk about more than just one subject and can't just post something like every 2 hours like "Steve is scum, steve is town" they have to be thinking about multiple lines of attack and keeping their story straight on multiple fronts where as town you're just okay talking abotu whatever as long as it helps you find mafia. | ||
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On May 09 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote: Give me the tldr from this post you made. What did you try to accomplish here? TLDR: A town got misslynched, who is responsible? Where would I want my name on this list if I was mafia? Also possible scum teams with Steve. (I don't think the post is that long so not sure why you need a TLDR. Do you just hate everything I do this game I mean jesus dude this is like the 20th post that you have openly criticized explain why what I'm doing is mafia driven whats my agenda here? I even admit in the post that I'm not sure where this is going i just want to get my thoughts out there.) | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:05 Koshi wrote: 1) So scum tends to RB themselves when there is a possible Cop, Parity cop and doc in the game. 2) Ok. So a town got misslynched, you want to see where scum would put there vote and you start with assuming that everybody that is not on Vivax is town. Why is mderg town in that post? They could RB anyone or they could know there isn't a RB in the game... the important part of the quest was WHY HE BELIEVED YOU SO INSTANTLY. Maybe I'm just a suspicious guy but I don't believe shit like that I'd definitely say it as mafia for a number of reasons. mderg felt townie to me because we had the same thoughts abuot steveling at the same time. I know my alignment so someone thinking like me is likely to be aligned with me/looking for the same things/ hunting scum. I've explained this before you don't seem to be reading my answers or you're just skewing them to your own agenda of calling me scummy. | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:34 Steveling wrote: It's 2 between HF/oats/poofter. Fact I'm still alive speaks volumes. This is the same post you made earlier. Bring some content to the game. Say why these are your reads and say something besides "I'm still alive" or maybe explain this point better. | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:13 Koshi wrote: feigning activity. Show me a post where you have explained somebody his mafia mindset. How is that feigning activity? Look through my filter I'd say 1/4th of my filter is being accused by you for every post I make and you not responding to my posts but just pointing out why each one is scummy instead of casing me for having scummy posts. You just are constantly prodding me its really weird. I have the posts where I gave a mafia mindset on Cav being with Steve. The basis of my Steve read is why its a mafia mindset. You probably said something in both posts were scummy so I'm sure you read them feel free to look them up yourself if you're too lazy I'll look them up after I sleep  | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Although holyflare not dying is really weird and actually points to steve being town. How so? Like what part of HF not dying makes steve town? Also what do you make on Koshi's posts against me. Do you think that he is right? Am I being scummy? | ||
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Before I go to bed Koshi do you actually think I'm mafia in this game? You clearly have been tunneling me so I want you to case me. Do a big ass post showing exactly where I have played the game with a mafia agenda and not tried to figure out the game. Feel free to reference my Cell Mafia game where I was scum and tell me how the two line up. This bullshit where you just say every post seems scummy is lame and if you're town you need to focus your suspicions elsewhere so make your case I'll shit all over it tomorrow with my towniness and you can move on to actual scum That fair? Also who am I with if I'm mafia. I'm not sure you've floated the idea of who my teammate is yet. Also I'm done with Steve if he isn't going to actually formulate reads and expand upon his thoughts He is getting my vote when I wake up. If he is town he is playing against his win condition acting like he is. | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:57 Koshi wrote: Meh. It's how I scumhunt. I am also the only one prodding you. Its just odd you haven't town read me yet I feel like I'm an easy read on the forums at least looking at my other games vs cell mafia I seem totally different. In video mafia I wouldn't be surprised but I feel like a n00b here. I don't mind the prodding and you can keep it up if you like but if you're town I feel like your powers could be more useful elsewhere | ||
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On May 09 2014 20:03 Koshi wrote: I can't make a big case. Frustrating. Your answers are just so null to me. We'll at least people are voting their null reads over there town reads. That's a plus! Maybe tomorrow someone might vote a scum read! So if I'm so null why be frustrated? Why not push elsewhere? Does it not give you pause? I make large replies with info, reads, questions, and explanations and you make 1-2 sentence retorts that all are pointing at me being scum, you should probably go back to scum hunting school! If you can't make a case on someone for being scummy it's probably because they're not scum I'm off to work hopefully can be around in an hour or so don't mislynch a townie before I'm back. | ||
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On May 10 2014 02:43 Koshi wrote: I take all credit when he flips ^^^So when I flip town you are okay being lynched? Like If I flip town you saying you're scum? Cause if you're that confident claim it then. Man the way you're playing this game I hope you're scum cause if you're town we probably already lost. So Koshi Can you explain to me what I have done that earned your vote? I asked you last night to make a case on me and you said you couldn't so what made it so that you wanted to vote me? I didn't post so what pushed you from "I can't make a case on this guy aka he is probably town cause he isn't doing scummy things" to lets vote him hes obv scum and I'm taking credit for it? Also if you could answer me with more than your "I have a feeling" post no need to be salty. | ||
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On May 10 2014 04:25 Cavalinho wrote: Is it just me or was Poofter rolefishing earlier? Wow this pinged me really hard. Cav why only bring this up after I have a couple of votes on me? What did I do that was role hunting? Please link the post. ^^^This feels like scum hoping on a BW with a REALLY weak reason. | ||
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@Koshi what do you think about Cav only bringing up the fact that he thinks I'm role hunting after votes start moving my way? Does that feel like a townie mindset or maybe scum thinking of a reason to hop on a mislynch. @Steve what is the weird feeling you're getting about my lynch? You mentioned it here. On May 10 2014 02:45 Steveling wrote: Why am I very very afraid that we are making a grave mistake. I don't like HF, he should be lynched first. Why vote if you think its weird or a mistake? | ||
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On May 09 2014 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: yo hf you wanna lynch poof instead? He says todays lynch is boring because he already knows steve's alignment. But when hes talking about steve, he keeps switching from steve is scum, therefore something something something to, steve is town, therefore something something something. ##vote Poof Steve's play is very boring "omg I'm being targetted time to complain about how bad everyone is and just die and stop playing" thats boring regardless of his alignment. Also I have said it multiple times that I am not sure of Steve's alignment (you reading my posts or just pushing the agenda that I'm scum?) he is mafia to me like 85% mafia but there is a 15% chance in my mind that he is town so as town I certainly don't want to have 2 straight mislynches. While there is never a 100% lynch (well rarely) I want to be very confident in my vote. | ||
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On May 10 2014 06:14 Steveling wrote: Are you willing to vote on HF then poofter? No I'm not. I feel like he is my strongest town. I need to talk to Koshi/Oats/Cav they haven't given me reasons to read them town... Cav has fallen off and his last post was insanely scummy. Koshi is just barking up the wrong tree and I'm not sure he would be this wrong as town. Oats hammered vivax he also was willing to push on me when he clearly hasn't been reading my posts. Then there is you steve who I called out for doing something really scummy and since then You basically haven't done anything remotely close to convincing me you're town. | ||
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On May 10 2014 06:59 Cavalinho wrote: This. Unless going back and rereading your filter is scummy, of course. In which case I suppose I will just roll with the tides and just vote whoever yells at me the least. I hate all of the reasons that you're coming up with to scumread people. I don't think reading my filter is scummy but reading my filter and thinking im townie and saying "man i really wish i had a reason to find him scummy" is weird why is that how you think? I don't understand that from town.... as town I'd be like hey I read a filter this guy seems townie sweet move on thats someone I don't have to look at now closer to finding the scum" The RB is honestly null for Koshi saying he was RB but the fact you believe it so quickly is weird. Can you explain why you only brought up that you think I was role fishing after the votes were on me? | ||
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I didn't forget this thats what I'm referring to. If scum is getting lynched and they just roll over and die its good for town but its also really boring. I do think steve is scum I don't know why you find the word boring so scummy.... I really really dont. Care to explain why my phrasing is scummy? maybe I truly am missing something it feels like it. | ||
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On May 10 2014 08:19 Cavalinho wrote: I just look through filters twice over, with townhunting and scumhunting lenses on. I found some stuff I didn't like. I pushed it. What's the problem? And I never said I believed Koshi's RB claim. I acknowledged it, and I think that if there's merit to it, then there might be merit to what he's saying. Also, I didn't pick up on the rolefishing quote until way later...I don't understand why you think there's some kind of secret agenda to the things that I'm pointing out. Do you disagree that the timing of you pointing out the rolefishing thing was not odd? I get votes from steve and koshi and then you bring up role fishing right after. I'm not saying its particularly damning but its odd. Good to know you look through twice So after looking through my filter twice where do you stand on me? Who is your preferred lynch today? | ||
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On May 10 2014 08:40 Cavalinho wrote: Oats, who are you voting? I'm probably going to vote Steveling but I want to see what you think. Why Steveling over anyone else? | ||
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On May 10 2014 08:51 Cavalinho wrote: Check my filter. I already made it clear who my lynch targets were today. I'm leaning town on you for the moment. If we miss on Steveling though I'll probably just hiplynch you. I'm pretty sure that lynching either of you will produce at least one scum. Only one scum if he is scum So lets talk about other people. So who is steve most likely to be with give me your updated read. And why. I'm going to lunch but in about an hour I'll be around to talk. | ||
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On May 10 2014 11:04 Holyflare wrote: Someone be the hero the town deserves. Its going to be me. Steve did nothing for it all day. ##Bote: Steveling | ||
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On May 10 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote: Can you guys seriously just stop these shitty associations and man up and vote steve, why are you all making statements like "but if he's town you're scum!" before he's even flipped and when you think he is scum yourself? Talking about a lynch is never bad it lets you know where people are at so they cant come back later and be like "man that guy was town i was so right." | ||
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On May 11 2014 01:27 Koshi wrote: Yeah... This game is over. You all suck ass. Not like you're playing well you think I'm scum. You don't get to play the high horse card when all you did was tunnel on me asking me questions and getting a null read then voting me. Like if you think you played particularly well then you can forget that if you're scum then thats fine | ||
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On May 11 2014 05:25 mderg wrote: I certainly didn´t think steve would flip town... I think it´s between poofter/oats/hf. Right now I´m not sure what to think. Poofter looks slightly more scummy to me than the others. I don´t know why he waited to vote steve until he could hammer him. This is really difficult to decide, though, I have to wait to see who gets killed. Maybe that can clear some things up. Can you expand why I look scummier? Not saying I look clear I did call out Steve day 1 and push him day 2 but I was attempting to reach out to him he just kinda rolled over and complained never made other cases. I'm not one of those people who is going to say "he fucked up he should have not played so scummy" its partly on me for not realizing where his frustration was coming from. (although I would probably still lynch him again cause I would never want to be beaten by a scum that defends like that) | ||
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In case I'm killed look into people not trying to actively solve the game. Tomorrow is lylo so people wanting to rush to decisions and instantly get the day over with are scummy. Right now I feel good on HF still mderg's thing about seeing who died struck true with me. Koshi coming out and saying we all suck is mafiaesq and I feel like town Koshi would have figured out yesterday that I'm town. Oats was setting up the plan for this yesterday don't forget this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote: poofter scum. Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh. For me Oats is the biggest scum in the game but you won't find me voting for him in the first 24 hours if I'm alive or voting for anyone for that matter. Rushing to a vote is anti-town maybe all of you know this but I haven't played a game with this lynch system so I want to make sure my thoughts are heard. Afking going to play poker in a bit might be around to phone post later tonight possibly drunk. | ||
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On May 11 2014 07:52 mderg wrote: It´s honestly just a gut feeling. There´s no solid case I can make. Do you find it odd that everyone has a "feeling" im scummy but not ONE PERSON has been able to make a case of it? Like no one literally has made a case. Shockingly enough when there is no evidence someone is scum they're probably town. Should probably think through the bolded part when you're deciding about who you think is scummy and why. | ||
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First off Everyone should claim today I'm Vanilla Town. Going to read over again all the stuff Koshi is accusing me of. I will say I saw you didn't vote in the voting thread thanks for that Koshi had you and had you been town we could have potentially lost already so at least that is townie of you. | ||
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On May 11 2014 22:46 Koshi wrote: Vanilla town. My lynch is still poofter. I will make a case when I am home in 6 hours. Oats wanted to lynch poof. Steve wanted to lynch poof. Thrawn said Steve wagon was scummy. Poof started.that wagon d1. Not a single dead townie wanted to lynch me. While after the night kill it looks like I am in the lead to get lynched. How are you in the lead to get lynched??? | ||
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On May 12 2014 03:32 Koshi wrote: Could you give your opinion on this? You have to know that Poofter at this moment got Steveling as 85% scum. Why does Poofter say that Oats is setting up tomorrows misslynch? 1) Doesn't this imply poofter knows today is a misslynch? As in 'tomorrow scum needs 1 more misslynch and Oats is making that happen". 2) Why would Poofter think he is going to get "misslynched" tomorrow when he is the one that pushed Steve? Does he know Steve is town and therefore after this lynch he will become a target? Looks like it. If I die as town I'm always a misslynch. So it felt like to me Oats was implying that I was reaching out to Steve as a scumbuddy or even scum attempting to help a townie or something when I said the "boring" post he harped on. So in my eyes if Oats is scum he is starting a narrative to get my lynched the next day regardless of the flip on Steve. The fact that made me think this was when he called it a "policy" lynch which I think is kinda bullshit if I don't think someone is scummy I don't lynch them my policy is to lynch those I find scummy. Koshi why are you asking such leading questions? imo its more townie to either a) give you read on the situation and see if others agree or b) Don't give a read at all and just ask "Hey mderg what do you make of this post" I feel like the way you're asking the questions you're drawing the (incorrect) conclusions for mderg which is scummy. Let him make up his own mind. Brb wrecking the other posts you made. | ||
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On May 12 2014 03:34 Koshi wrote: The bolded is the only reasoning IN THE ENTIRE GAME for a scumread of Poofter. Poofter has got 0 scumreads this entire game except for Steveling. Look in his filter. Give me 1 more piece of reasoning to why somebody is scum that poofter has done. On May 12 2014 03:03 mderg wrote: The oats kill is kinda strange. I don´t think there was any indication of him having a power role and he was one of the top lynch targets. Makes me feel like it´s poofter trying to divert attention by killing his biggest scumread. Why would scum kill their next and probably easiest lynch target? Because they seem slightly less scummy doing so. This is based on assumptions but definitely makes sense for me. I was going to quote my posts where I said that I thought Oats was scummy but I will let you hear them from mderg who says Oats was my "biggest scum read" its in bold. (Steve was my biggest scum read but still) If someone that isn't me is saying that it was my biggest scum read why don't you notice this Koshi? I mean clearly Mderg thinks I had a scum read on him. Also if you will look at the previous quote I posted where I thought that Oats was scummy for making that statement where it felt like he was trying to setup my mislynch. You linked the post so assuming you're reading I think by my tone you can surmise I thought he was scummy. Do you see that? | ||
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On May 12 2014 03:38 Koshi wrote: This is the post Poofter has put in the most effort in. what does this post say? I assume HF is town. (most likely scumbuddy) I assume all the votes are on Vivax so mderg is town. I assume Steve is red. Then pre-flip association reads for all the other people. Nothing here is based on anything. All assumptions. This post is basically worth nothing. Poofter also never ever did anything with what he wrote down here. He just wrote it down once and that was that. I wrote it down with seeing what I could learn and to reference later knowing more information and plan on doing so again today. I didn't find anything useful for it but spent a lot of time thinking about it so I thought I'd put it out to the thread to let them know where my head was at and even in the post I said "Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative.." <<< I bolded it in the original post. I really didn't know if it game me any info but I wanted to look at it and see if others agreed. I'm going to make a new one with updated info after I finish Shitting on your case on me. | ||
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On May 12 2014 03:41 Koshi wrote: Who is poofter his second scummer? WAIT Who is poofter his first scummer now that Steveling is dead? Nobody knows. He is letting it shine through that it is me. Give me 1 post Poofter has quoted from me and said it came from scum for x reason? Nothing. The only thing Poofter is calling me scum for is "Guys I am town, Koshi is scum for being so wrong" That's the only thing. Well are you scum or bad? I however think you happen to be a good player so I'm leaning towards the scum part not the bad part. I think a town Koshi would consider that with how many times he has questioned my posts and how well I've responded that I might be a little town. Instead you assume the opposite and your read is getting stronger. If you're not scum here Koshi town has lost because scum can just sit back and watch me and you fight today and just choose who to lynch. Also what do you mean by the underlined section? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I assume you're going back to who is my 2nd highest scum read where I already tore that argument to bits in my last post, but you worded it weird so I'm not sure. So I will say it now Koshi if you are town YOU ARE UNEQUIVICALLY WRONG Like more wrong than you have ever been. If I am scum who am I with? What did I hope to accomplish by the thrawn/Oats kill? Why was my planned push today (I mean obviously you seem scummy to me for pushing but I'd like to have a better reason than OMGUS so If I'm scum and you know you're town I assume you think you can defend well enough to stop a push from me so who would I go on next? Like What was my plan of attack? Doesn't it make more sense for me to leave my 2nd highest scum read aka Oats alive? Night kills can of course be WIFOM but honestly Koshi walk me through what was my plan? You seem convinced I'm scum and are dead wrong about it and its really annoying because I feel like I have played a town game a town game where I was wrong day 2 pretty bad but still a town game. /end pointless rant | ||
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On May 12 2014 03:51 Koshi wrote: There is so much wrong with his filter but it is hard to proof that it is 100% scum. But his HF townread is typical scum, as scum he can't give good reasoning from this game why (his probably scumbuddy) HF is town so he says: THAT'S IT. Nowhere he will ever question it. Even after Steve flips town poofter is still pushing Oats and me............ HF is like not in this game for Poofter. "Because it looked like that last titanic game" I based my town read off his push on Oats when HF has been town and he was right D1 in titanic he tunnel DP into the ground I thought he was going to play that way this game on Oats he fell off that playstyle and the only reason he stayed in my town was because he agreed with my read on steve someone who is agreeing with my reads and thinking what I'm thinking is more likely to be town with me so he stayed in town. With the steve flip I'm of course revisiting all my reads. HF and Cav still need to claim and I'm DEFINITELY not ruling anyone out today. This is Lylo so if I vote wrong as town we lose because 2 scum just vote and its GG. So Koshi you think that HF is my scum buddy can you make a case on HF? I'd like to read it and reevaluate him. I plan on doing reading myself and research but I have to work this evening so not sure how much time I'll have to be filter diving HF who was literally half the day 1 posts. If you think we're together what connections have you made with us besides that I called him town pretty strongly? I actually agree with one point that you're making that we should be giving 2 scum reads from everyone today and pushing for either because that makes it harder for scum to keep a coherent line of thought. I want to hear more from Cav/Hf (who are apparently gone for today) and their claims before I'm anywhere close to making a decision. Do you think this is a fair thing Koshi? A townie thing? | ||
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On May 12 2014 06:42 Koshi wrote: I don't even know what you are saying tbh. Which part quote it I'm more than happy to explain in more detail. | ||
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On May 12 2014 06:43 Koshi wrote: So many posts. Where are you solving the game? Just defend defend defend. Who are your 2 scummers? And where is the proof? I was responding to your posts accusing me. First you answer me do you think any of my defense was townie or you just going with your assumptions? Right now my number 1 is you Koshi because you're just making accusations without listening to my responses you're using confirmation biasis to either convince yourself I'm scum or push on me to get my lynched. I feel like you're a smarter player than to continue this push from what we've play before I think that is the case and I worry you might be letting something get to you if you're town. Now if you're mafia then everything you're doing makes sense you're pushing on someone who was wrong yesterday and was pushed on by two town people and was the first to push for Steve to get lynched incorrectly. So as mafia your play makes a lot of sense. If you're town it doesn't so you get in the scum pile. Now I'm not going to vote you or talk about voting you until I have all the info I want to hear from Cav/HF see where they stand (unfortunately I think they said they're afk so we might have to wait a bit but I'm okay with that cause I want to make the right decision) I've been trying to solve the game all yesterday and I'm commenting on the pretty much only comments from today. I'm going to look at mdergs post now as I only skimmed it earlier. | ||
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On May 12 2014 06:52 mderg wrote: just for clarification: I meant at the time of the night kill, when steve was already lynched Ok so did you think Oats was a scum read of mine from day 2? or only after the night kill? | ||
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On May 12 2014 04:47 mderg wrote: 1) This would be easier to judge, if I heard him say it, rather than seeing the text. 2) This seems solid. There would be no need to worry about getting lynched, if steve were to flip scum. Yeah, it didn´t seem like he had any clear scumreads besides steve and (after that oats). It´s odd but it could also just be that he didn´t have another clear sumread. I agree his reasoning for calling you scum is unconvincing. Overall there´s solid reasons why poofter could be scum. There´s nothing that makes him scum by itself but the small pieces together paint a scummy picture. 1) The first thing wow that sounds really townie where you said that you would have to hear me say it rather than read it. That screams of objective thinking. That is very true. I do generally talk better than I type (its why I play video mafia more than forum) 2) The time that Oats made that post I thought his push on me was going to be the same regardless of the flip on Steve. The way he said it was "policy" to me read "I don't care we have to lynch steve just because then we go for poofter" so like in my eyes he thinks I'm scum either way. I will however concede that from your point of view you don't know I'm town so it might sound different to you. I don't understand how you can say the bolded green than red. Do I not have any clear scum reads or am I calling Koshi scum for unconvincing reasons. Like as far as I can tell having STeve as scum then Oats and Koshi as scum reads (even if you think they're bad reasons) is still HAVING SCUM READS So explain to me how you come to those conclusions. | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:13 mderg wrote: It didn´t seem like a clear scum read. It seemed like you thought he was suspicious but no clear scum read. Agreed. I didn't have very clear reads. Feel free to look at my titanic game/Dr. Who where I was town in both Catastrophe i was a role and only played 1 day and intentionally played scummy because of the mechanics. I don't give very STRONG scum reads. I make cases but I play mostly off questions and putting together information based on the outcomes of votes/night kills. The way I talked about Koshi and Oats I thoguht they were scummy. | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote: So basically your 3 scumreads were the ones on you. Everybody on Steveling was town. ... I would love for you to answer even ONE of my questions. You keep dodging my questions I ask you and picking out little things in my post to fit your story this is what scum does not what town does. Town reads a post and thinks "hmm okay yeah I do like that point of him being scummy but you know here that sounds town" YOU are not doing this you're not thinking objectively because you're pushing a mislynch as scum. I have been trying to reach out to you to see if you're town but the way you're playing you're either super butthurt town who is game throwing or you're scum. I hope its the later cause I would rather not lose this game. I have been playing this game as town and you have played with me as both alignments and it shocks me that you can't read me correctly. So I understand mderg may not understand my case on you but I am going to re read today and see where I end up on you aside from the stuff on me because I know thats wrong. KOSHI PLEASE ADDRESS ANY OF MY RESPONSES OR ANY OF MY QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF SLINGING MORE MUD! | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:24 Koshi wrote: Who is scum with me Poofter? cav? I need to hear from Cav/Hf. They haven't talked today. I am not sure what makes the most sense. I feel they need to talk before I discuss that. While I'm waiting can you answer anything I have? like do you feel I have not been invested in this game? Do you feel I have been pushing an agenda? How did the night kills help my agenda? You say my likely partner is HF is there another? | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:34 Koshi wrote: Why would we talk to each other? You don't need to convince me I am scum. I don't need to convince you. Tell the thread why I am scum. protip: Quote something from my filter. What if were both wrong Koshi what If you're wrong about me being scum and I'm wrong about you being scum.... what if thats the case. TAlking to each other is a great way to get a read. I'm not afraid to say what I think and have a conversations. You have been addressing and accusing me and asking me questions. So why is it "suddenly bad to talk" when I want to ask questions?????????????????????????????????????????? I don't need your protips thanks though. How can you honestly have this logic? I mean we should definitely talk because unless either of us is 100% sure the other is scum through something like a cop check or something then talking is ALWAYS a townie thing. The fact you don't want to just helps my case. Its what I wanted steve to do. He refused and just did littlte one liner bullshit like you're doing. | ||
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On May 12 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote: 1) Sure. 2) Why does this matter? I think you weren't invested D1. Only showed interest to lynch Steve D2. And now only try to show activity so people doubt to lynch you and lynch me. 3) thrawn didn't believe steve was scum. thrawn said that steve wagon was scummy. Oats wanted to kill you. I would say the NK helped you very much. How did the NK help me? Really? 4) Why does this matter? Really? Want me to name a townie so he gets mad at me? Really? I only need 2 scummers. #2 is the most important and thanks for answering btw finally like pulling teeth over here. But #2 you were in the cell mafia game where I was scum and I literally jsut fucked off after the mayor day and got super carried.... that is my scum game. I don't know what to say so I get scared and don't post. So in this game day 1 I played towards my scum meta I could tell you I was doing other stuff but you shouldn't believe me because I'd do that as both alignments so its a null tell at best. Day 2 was town me I went for someone read Dr Who/Titanic I was asking questions and pushing against my scum targets in those games. I was invested I wanted to win. You were in Titanic Dr. Who no but It was there. #3 I see you have thought about the thrawn kill the Oats kill was pretty obvious and discussed but the fact that you have thought about thrawn in that manner is good seems more townie from you. #4 It matters because IF you're trying to solve the game you need 2 scums you need to find them both you need to look for pairs and what makes sense. I know that if we hit scum today we still have to hit the other tomorrow so we're in the shitty position of having to be right twice so if you put on blinders and focus only two people (you only 1 in this case because you havent said hardly anything about why HF is scummy) you are destined to lose. You need to look at everyone openly. So new questions. Lets say a cop had a green check on me who is the scum team then? Now its not fair of me to ask and not answer so If I found out a cop had a green check on you my best guess would be something like HF/mderg or HF/Cav but I feel like if you're green HF almost has to be scum. HF/Cav need to talk for more info in this area but thats where I'm at. (just because I know that I'll get misquoted and people won't feel like I'm being theoretical I think the scum team is likely to be Koshi/Cav or Koshi/HF I won't say now which one I think is more likely but it has a lot to do with Cav/Hf talking/claiming) | ||
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So Cav and HF come back!!! Mderg as well. | ||
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On May 12 2014 08:12 Koshi wrote: The only other lynch will be HF. That answers all your other questions. No it doesn't | ||
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So happy being wrong So Koshi you bad or scum? | ||
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On May 12 2014 09:53 Holyflare wrote: anyone around? I'm back from lunch. What you make of me and Koshi's argument? | ||
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On May 12 2014 09:57 Holyflare wrote: Why do you think I'm town all throughout the game but suddenly when it's the last day i'm in 3/4 of your suggested scum teams? Why not Koshi/mderg or Cav/mderg? I addressed it earlier when Koshi asked me those other teams could be real I have no clue like I said in the post I needed to hear from you and Cav and see where you guys were at and what your claims were. The reason I had you there was that was under the assumption that Koshi was green which as you might have noticed I don't particularly likely. Also I am reevaluating everyone you included day 1 you gave me a titanic vibe and we were both on the same page on the Steveling lynch so I had you town yesterday but you just lived through another night as one of the better players on the site imo. So I'm going to look at you again i.e. the clarification "I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU AND CAV" All I want is more info and I even clarified it. I honestly feel like this game there is a language barrior I don't know about it because I think I'm being clear and trying to help town and people are just seeing like 1-2 lines of my post that in a vacuum look mildly scummy. Its a frustrating I'm not going to lie. | ||
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On May 12 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote: calm down bro, i was just wondering  i said i wouldn't be around so that's probably why i lived or a blue snipe i dunno? end game does funny stuff to nk's What role are you? I'm VT Koshi claiming VT Mderg claiming what I guess amounts to named Vt?? Idk never played with that type of role before. | ||
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??Its lylo. I can only think of 1 townie reason for not claiming but thats it. | ||
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You left out "bro" | ||
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On May 12 2014 11:23 Holyflare wrote: cav where you at bro ^^ | ||
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Unintentionally??  | ||
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On May 12 2014 11:50 Cavalinho wrote: Grizzled Veteran. >.> ? Isn't that what Mderg claimed? | ||
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On May 12 2014 11:44 Cavalinho wrote: Normally, when I have no idea what the fuck is going on, I pick the best player and I lynch them. So I'm gonna yolo it and say you and Koshi are both scum. Why do you want to lynch them when mderg claimed your role? | ||
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On May 12 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: not that I know of but i think it's hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhlllllyyyyyyy unlikely you are both named vt's which one of you is lying? HF you need to claim too bro. | ||
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On May 12 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: TAKE A GUESS WHY I THINK ONE OF THEM ISNT REAL Tell me. I think one of them isn't real and I have reasons to think tahts the case but I want to hear someone else draw a similar conclusion before I say it. Also just claim like there is no point. | ||
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On May 12 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote: i iz blue bro how much more clear do i have to make it? Which blue? and yeah I figured you were hinting when you said that thing about "needing to hear from Cav" | ||
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On May 12 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote: i iz blue bro how much more clear do i have to make it? HF don't leave me hanging bro I need juicy details. | ||
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On May 12 2014 12:34 Holyflare wrote: I'm going to make a play. Ready your anus, soon™ So its "Dr. Holyflare" So you know what this means right? If you're doctor there is at least one between Koshi/Cav lying about being RBd. Because I'm town you=blue leaving 3 possible. Mafia can't RB themselves right? so one of Cav/Koshi HAS to be lying about being RBd. hmmm this game is very very interesting. I'd like to see what Cav has to say he got quite when he heard there were two claims. I'm prepared anus wise. | ||
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Hmm Do you think that is likely to have happened this game? | ||
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TOWN NEEDS TO REMEMBER DONT VOTE UNLESS YOURE 100% SURE IF YOURE WRONG MAFIA CAN HAMMER ADN WIN AT ANY TIME!!! @Koshi with the reveals where are you at currently? The double named villager claim kinda fucks up your HF/Poof theory. | ||
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On May 12 2014 16:23 Cavalinho wrote: Poofter who's the scummer in the blue claims? So the fact that HF voted and you and Koshi haven't hammered meants its impossible that its you and him unless Koshi is not paying attention at all. So in my eyes its got to be Mderg or HF because I dont feel like Cav you'd cc your own partner. I want to see what Koshi says though. | ||
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First I'll ask Koshi a question that probably will explode his brain: Koshi. I'm town, Who is mafia? brb typing out all the things. | ||
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^^If I look at this shit in post game and go "damn I'm an idiot go with your gut" I will be able to at least lay about 80% of the blame on blazinghand for making a game with a RB and no roles which is the stupid thing that ever could happen ever. (I'm going to complain about this more because I have this odd feeling in my gut) | ||
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Tehpoofter: Vanilla town Koshi: Vanilla Town Claimed RB N1 Mderg: Named VT Cav: Named VT Claimed RB N2 HF: Medic So IF its possible to have 2 roles that have no powers and a RB in a game then as far as I'm concerned we already lost. That would be a bullshit setup and just give town misinformation and mafia a free claim so if thats the case then HF congrats on your victory. Reasoning why HF becomes confirmed under this assumption is because he is the ONLY blue to claim to have a night action. The RB were on Koshi/Cav.... they can't all three be mafia so I'm going to assume that the host didn't make a game with 2 named VT and a RB and say HF is town. If we lose because of this then Blazinghand is a giant dickbag and I won't play his games again. So Now I have 2 town: Poofter, Medic HF. So HF votes for MDerg and in the multitude of hours that have passed since this happens neither Koshi or Cav have voted to kill mderg yet. So koshi Cav are confirmed to be on separate alignments. So 1 mafia between Koshi/Cav. This also to me confirms that mderg has to be mafia in either situation. So I will be voting for him shortly but I want to make sure I think it through clearly before doing so. So Now I have 2 town: Poofter, Medic HF. 1 Mafia: Mderg 1 mafia between: Cav/Koshi. So I'm going to live in a world where Koshi and me are town in this next part. So for Koshi and me to both be town the mafia team has to be Cav/Mderg who both claim the EXACT SAME ROLE. The only thing giving credence to this theory is that Cav I think might have derp claimed not realizing that Grizzled Veteran was not just the base VT and his partner was claiming a named role. Cav isn't pushing on Mderg for claiming his role he had to be told he was a CC and they aren't screaming at each other that they are mafia. Like if it was me and someone claimed my role I'd have my vote on the other guy and that shit would never leave EVER. Especially if I knew there was a RB in the game and a claimed MEdic. Mderg is actually calling Cav confirmed town (I see this from his view point in that he hasn't hammered him) So why am I not confirmed town Mderg????????? This world gets like a 30% possibility at this point The other world is Koshi is the mafia and bussing the balls off mderg for credibility and instead of saying why mderg is mafia more of his posts are throwing scum on me (and not Cav he didn't even entertain that theory) Now granted in his eyes Cav got RB with him so he must assume there is a RB in the game and HF is real and Cav is probably town too so it makes sense from his point of view. I really want to see him answer who is mafia If I'm town because honestly I am town and it would be a super weird thing for him to answer as mafia because it like shits on all of his theories. This world is like 50% In the other world 10% Blazinghand is an amazingly large troll and put a game in that is so mafia sided its insane with 2 named VT and a mafia RB that only spreads confusion and gives mafia the EASIEST fake claim in existence ever ever. Tehpoofter out. | ||
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So mafia is HF/Koshi? | ||
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On May 13 2014 06:36 Cavalinho wrote: I'm really curious about what the graveyard/obs has to say about this game. And also I'm really curious why mderg is saying TP isn't conf town with me. Like nothing he said has made sense. I'm probably going to hammer him. He just did twice. Cav what do you think about my big post? AND WHY ARE YOU NOT SURE THAT MDERG IS MAFIA HOW HAVE YOU NOT HAMMERED YOUR CC????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On May 13 2014 06:37 Cavalinho wrote: Nevermind, posted too late. I see it. Any last words? I'm about to vote. Lets both vote so when we lose to HF/Koshi we can all flame BH together. | ||
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On May 13 2014 06:38 Cavalinho wrote: So why are Koshi/HF scum? Can you give any reasoning or is it just, "they're voting me so they're confirmed." This is only possible in a world with 2 named VT and a mafia RB which is inherently mafia favored because it gives mafia the easiest of fake claims in the history of EVER EVER. | ||
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On May 13 2014 06:42 Cavalinho wrote: Uhh. Did you read my last post before you voted? Please say yes. No it Xposted. And if you lied then you're an idiot. | ||
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On May 13 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote: just breaaatthhheeee, you made the right decision Fuck you Dr. Holyflare. | ||
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BH PLEASE DONT BE GONE | ||
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Cav do you have any reasoning for lying about your role nad losing the game? You realize if you claim anything at all but Mdergs role we lynch Koshi and win the game right? | ||
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IF it had been a full day might have been differnet. GG all thanks for hosting BH. WP mafia the RB on Cav wins the game and the claims. | ||
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Sorry for the loss town I went with stupid safe plays instead of who felt mafia to me. BH: I understand your logic on the whole 1 in the VT and 1 in the blues but I just didn't think I could get the votes on to Koshi and I thought I might die trying to push it which loses for town anyways. Basically I just went with that Koshi was bussing and hammered like a donkey. :/ I had a lot of info that last day and in all the scenarios that made sense Koshi was in like 90% of them. I want to play another game and be right! Thanks for hosting for real though and Cav I am sorry I called you dumb big plays sometimes win games so rolling the dice is fine | ||
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