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On May 07 2014 04:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm gonna do my catch up one of two ways. i can either read stuff and respond to it as I read it or I'll read everythign without responding and keep notes and then post my notes when i'm done
I hope you're doing the notes version, will give me something to talk about. Hopefully at least it will put you back up on my +town list.
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Where you guys should be at:
1) thrawn2112 - was originally green, regreen if notes good
2) holyflare
3) Cavalinho - get the feeeelz, l-2 post so town, picking up on all scummy stuff vivax is doing. Post more bro!
4) mderg - clueless but aggro in all the right ways, could be wrong because low game sample size
5) Koshi - meh koshi (catastrophe koshi or just a castatrophe?)
6) Tehpoofter - meh
7) Oatsmaster - really hesitant about oats but higher than meh /salty
8) Steveling - want to green but is sososo wrong on everything and didn't want to prove someone as towny?? Keep eye on
9) Vivax - pretty scummy, returns to thread to criticise and spread shit then afks again
Non-green people better step up
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My activity will most likely be really really low because some stuff came up recently but then again still most likely higher than 3/4 of the people in the game 
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I don't really like Oats' post about "Vivax might be scum," because I get kind of an opportunistic vibe from it, especially when he said Holyflare could flip scum as well. I get the feeling that he's just kind of weighing his options when it comes to lynches, but the rest of his filter feels relatively towny. I lean town on Oats, but that most certainly isn't 100%.
Can you explain this to me cava? I don't think he mentions me and vivax as being scum in the same post of anything? Seem to remember him dropping his scum read afyer reading my filter.
Can you point out to me what you like?
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Pretty sure the h is a typo of he. Seeong as he unscumread me right above that paragraph
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On May 07 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont think koshi is the lynch you're looking for vivax.
what are your reads? on everyone please. Why shouldn't Koshi be the lynch you're looking for? I'm not sure about most of my reads hence why I'm not pushing anyone aggressively, but I do call out the stuff I find as a possible scumtell. I'm not sure about any of my reads, except maybe on Steve but I'm probably biased cause he actually reads and understands what I write.
So someone understanding what you write is town despite him being the only 1 out of 7 people. You do realise he called you super town without reading your filter and refused to back it up at all? He then completely flipped on that in his big read post.
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VIVAX
Only thing I have against vivax is that he only defended himself so far, not a single read on anoyone.
I want to see real posts or I'll give him scum points.
So why include this in his list of scum people if he was just conceding to everyone's whim?
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Absolutely 100000% we lynch steveling tomorrow
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On May 07 2014 23:16 Steveling wrote:
How so?
Is it because I was right when everyone else was wrong?
Mby I'm just that awesome.
Lynch oats or HF.
Rofl oats or hf....
It's because you are right when everyone else was wrong but when asked why you thought vivax was super town enough to stop us discussing him you had no reasons.
On May 06 2014 09:53 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve? Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched. People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot. Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm. why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category Poofter is lurker #1 I agree. Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.
On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.
On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.
Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol
On May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.
On May 07 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote:
I said multiple times that I find his behavior perfectly normal.
On May 07 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
I refuse to do that since there are players yet to say anything.
Don't get tunnel vision on him.
VIVAX
Only thing I have against vivax is that he only defended himself so far, not a single read on anoyone.
I want to see real posts or I'll give him scum points.
On May 07 2014 14:18 Steveling wrote:
I haven't dived him obviously yet.
The general impression from reading the thread was that his posts are awesome.
His posts are still awesome, I still agree with them and I find them logical.
The thing is that after I dived him I noticed that he only defended himself.
On May 07 2014 19:48 Steveling wrote:
Alright guys, let's do this.
Let's prove how nonsensical this is.
##unbote
##vote:Vivax
On May 07 2014 22:29 Steveling wrote:
I don't blame him at all.
He's the only one with towny posts.
Said you filter dived vivax. Didn't talk with anyone about vivax at all ever. In fact tried to shut down any and all discussion. Told me not to tunnel vivax, when asked why i should town read him you refused to answer (still wtfing about that). Randomly added him to your list of people you thought were scummy (why do that if you think he's super town....?), said you hadn't actually filter dived him yet but then did and started to agree with other people.....
Yolo wtf vote on your super town read ahahahahah because you "don't care anymore"
Still maintain he was super town and berating ppl post flip.
Don't get me started on how you town read oats for his lies and said he was silly town and me and him were probably two towns arguing and then made a whole case on how his lies are scummy.
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Town read a person nobody else does is scum mistake #1. You aim to look better after the flip, you throw suspicion on the people that were pushing the guy etc etc.
If he was really so convinced he would never, absolutely NEVER vote for his super town read as town. The fact he did it AND CALLED OUT THE PEOPLE who were talking about scummy vivax to vote for him shows that he had a motive to do so.
+vivax free mislynch
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On May 07 2014 19:48 Steveling wrote:
Alright guys, let's do this.
Let's prove how nonsensical this is.
##unbote
##vote:Vivax
On May 07 2014 19:50 Steveling wrote:
1 more vote and we lynch, come on guys.
On May 07 2014 20:24 Steveling wrote:
Come on guys, put your vote where your mouths are.
Bote for bibax.
Does this look like someone in the dark about vivax's alignment? Not to me.
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On May 08 2014 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry Vivax 
Don't be sorry he played like ass. Although hammering him when you did was rather annoying /odd when we have infinite time to talk
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On May 08 2014 00:00 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Town read a person nobody else does is scum mistake #1. You aim to look better after the flip, you throw suspicion on the people that were pushing the guy etc etc.
If he was really so convinced he would never, absolutely NEVER vote for his super town read as town. The fact he did it AND CALLED OUT THE PEOPLE who were talking about scummy vivax to vote for him shows that he had a motive to do so.
+vivax free mislynch
If you are town hf, which I doubt it, after this game you shall sheep me blindly 'cause I earned it so. Well after I flip green that is.
Instead of your baseless uselessness, how about backing up your reasoning with WHY'S instead of refusing to like you did with your super town read vivax.
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On May 08 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I dont know why steve is talking so much shit.
Mdreg I think tmr rather than steve.
Also explain why mderg, have you read his past games etc? Thought you had him as new town? (i still do)
Also, why ignore overwhelming Steveling evidence?
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On May 08 2014 00:42 Steveling wrote:
I said it 4-5 times already.
You are either demonstrating bad logic again like with vivax or you are scum.
And again this is useless because you don't explain ANYTHING. I posted my logic on vivax, people agreed with it. You didn't say a god damn word. You lied about reading his filter the first time because i already explained what you found out the time you actually DID read his filter but you don't mention that either.
Your only reason for calling me scum seemingly was because me and oats argued and then he buddied me...?
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On May 06 2014 09:57 Steveling wrote:
Reading Vivax I remembered another mistake by oats.
Damn it oats, stop playing like this, I'd hate to lynch you and then you flipping green.
On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.
On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me. I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods. Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol
I then posted:
On May 06 2014 10:11 Holyflare wrote:God damn it I feel like I've wasted the past day of my life because you can't be bothered to read the thread in the first place: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible. Show nested quote +wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too) I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases" So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to? I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that. How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game? His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia. On May 06 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.
yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/ Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.
These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here: Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.
Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason. Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum. It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster. On May 06 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all: Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response. I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious: On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy. On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart. koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this? Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place? It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all? I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect. Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull? He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said). So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives? On May 06 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.
It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).
He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.
Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he." I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad. Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment. Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread? I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it. I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought. Ok well, how about this: What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that? What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that? I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind. ^^^^ is implied that there is no town motive behind what Vivax posted He's posted pretty much nothing. His one post of substance completely relies on false Oats meta and he ignores that Oats himself said that he lied and paints me in a scummy light for saying that oats did lie. It shows that he isn't reading the thread, he's hardcore defending a player based on wrong logic and random things (he did this in the last game as mafia on cavalinho). He has like half a page of filter and tries to paint cavalinho as scummy for calling him scum when that just wasn't the case at all. He has no investment in the game (something that rolling scum twice in a row would do) and is pretty much saying nonsense.
Which you ignored.
And then:
On May 07 2014 02:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:On May 07 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing? Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us. And how does all of this make me scum? I bring my points across, you can elaborate on them or not and if you don't think they are true then you don't have to try and convince me so hard of your own point of view. I have trouble understanding what you're trying to achieve with all your actions. You want me to see Cava's post as townie, I don't think I have to. You want me to acknowledge Oats is a liar and that makes me scum. I use other ways of reading him. And when I don't agree with you and don't want to discuss that with you cause I don't enjoy that, then it makes me scum? Are you kidding? The scummyness is you're portraying ME negatively pre-emptively before an event even happened. "i didn't want to discuss cav's post to stop an argument", you haven't discussed ANYTHING. You sit back post random sidenotes about a read that hadn't properly evolved. You post a case on oats being town and when disproved you decided not to comment on any of it, take no part in the game, ignore everything i write to then return and tell us about cavalinho all over again. You've even completely dropped any mention of oats so i have to assume you actually AGREED with my points on him. You don't listen to any points about anything, there's no reason to believe you even care, you have no substance in your posts. "cav is more assertive as town" proves nothing says nothing, especially when he was assertive in that post and without proof of what you mean nobody has any idea if it's true or not . You don't question anyone, you don't even consider that you might have misread a post because you weren't there at the time whereas the people that were there say the post has a different tone. You are spreading doubt amongst people that are actually playing the game and you are lurking. Now tell me again how that's not scummy? Agenda 101.
Which you told me to stop tunneling vivax and then refused to explain why he was town. So really, you didn't give a crap whether I'm tunneled or not and you didn't care about your super town read getting lynched.
I say he's doing nothing but preemptive defences of why he isn't talking so much. You say stop saying he's scum he's super town then come with a list of people saying you've finally read vivax and his posts are all defensive with no reads.
Please explain how you didn't get that on your first read of his filter when it's so evidently been pointed out. Yes, thats right. You didn't read his filter the first time. You lied.
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On May 08 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:
HF might be scum. This push feels like shit.
Explain or you will not be in this game much longer.
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Something out of.... Nothing? You said you read vivax and then said he's super town.
You said you finally read vivax and that he is just defending. In your list of scum suspects.
You voted for your super town read.
This is an open and closed case.
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Like, if you were town I'd expect you to at least listen and acknowledge someone's comments when they think someone is scum. If you were town you'd reread your super towns filter when a lot of people call him scum. I'd get if you said "hey i read vivax's filter and what you guys were saying has some merit let's talk it out"
You just reread it and said he was too defensive and then all of a sudden it's "hey poofter the guy i think is scummy said we should lynch vivax, i give up let's lynch him!"
Huuuuuh?
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