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On May 06 2014 09:53 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve? Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched. People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot. Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm. why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category Poofter is lurker #1 I agree. Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.
Well then what do you make of his post, my debunking of it and Cava's response? Don't think you had an input into that.
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I can understand why you think I was horrible multiple times if it is in regards to DP but it's simply the fact that he is not a pleasant person behind closed doors and is pretty crude with some of the things he says about people and thinks he's the god send to mafia when in fact he's just another person.
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On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.
I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.
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On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me. I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods. Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol
No but you can read the position they are in the thread by hitting the # button on the post and reading the context of them, just finding it interesting when you have the complete opposite read to me about Vivax and I want to know if you've actually read him in detail or are just spouting off something you think is true.
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God damn it I feel like I've wasted the past day of my life because you can't be bothered to read the thread in the first place:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible. Show nested quote +wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too) I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases" So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to? I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that. How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game? His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia. On May 06 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.
yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/ Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.
These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here: Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.
Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason. Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum. It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster. On May 06 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all: Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response. I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious: On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy. On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart. koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this? Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place? It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all? I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect. Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull? He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said). So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives? On May 06 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.
It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).
He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.
Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he." I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad. Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment. Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread? I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it. I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought. Ok well, how about this: What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that? What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that? I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind. ^^^^ is implied that there is no town motive behind what Vivax posted
He's posted pretty much nothing. His one post of substance completely relies on false Oats meta and he ignores that Oats himself said that he lied and paints me in a scummy light for saying that oats did lie. It shows that he isn't reading the thread, he's hardcore defending a player based on wrong logic and random things (he did this in the last game as mafia on cavalinho). He has like half a page of filter and tries to paint cavalinho as scummy for calling him scum when that just wasn't the case at all. He has no investment in the game (something that rolling scum twice in a row would do) and is pretty much saying nonsense.
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg
After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture
Dare I ask..... can you elaborate on your read on me............?
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Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool!
Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me.
I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though:
On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?
On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case.
On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.
Mderg is scum too ok for sure.
Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.
Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.
lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.
I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw. I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good. Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.
He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...?
If he was reading he'd know you said:
On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me.
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Let me just clarify something oats. You have only pushed me this game because of out of game reasons?
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On May 06 2014 10:21 Steveling wrote:Koshis filter in a nutshell Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 18:43 Koshi wrote:On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat What do you make of Steve? Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm so so town. next question. Who is the most scummy Oats or Holyflare? Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:
Time to sleep.
Poofter fill in 8 names:
towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scummer that scummed: 3 pages of filter with nothing to say.
10/10, could lynch
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This game is dumb, I only have like 2 townreads/potentially 3
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people gotta start playing
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg
After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture
Can you elaborate on this, you give 0 reasoning for your mderg vote but then a lot of reasons why vivax could flip scum but seemingly your vote falls on the person with no explanation? Why mderg over vivax?
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Well, whatever, I'm going to bed. Don't spam the thread toooo much............. -.-
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On May 06 2014 21:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:53 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think you are scum for overacting and then this overreaction to something that I do practically every game anyway and I never do as scum.
On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending. So why is it that I can't use meta to prove that what you are saying is utter BS but you CAN use meta about yourself to say that you are right? Is this real life or are you just squirming? On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending. On May 06 2014 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im really confused here, in what world does scumOats obviously lie about something completely factcheckable and then not give a shit? Oh right, no world.
Your meta doesnt show shit Holyflare.
In what world does town oats lie about something so obviously fact checkable to try and get someone lynched when the game hasn't even started? + Show Spoiler +For anyone that wants to listen to his nonsense and is unconvinced about lynching this mofo yet: Catastrophe Mafia (Themed) - Didn't do anything ALL of day 1 (oats was in this game), trolled majority of it. Cell mini mafia trolled almost all game Titanic 3 Made a fake case on DP to start discussion/get the ball rolling/troll (oats was also in this game!!!) Vengeful Mafia Did the same thing as titanic 3 Really small mafia - scooby doo all game
You have been in a lot of my games where I've opened with trolling! THAT is why there is an "overreaction" (hint: there's not), you LIED about my meta and it's something you should know about seeing as you were in a lot of those games to get me LYNCHED in an instant majority game but then when I point that out and you have to backtrack and suddenly me pointing out your lie is an overreaction????????
You are scum. I think what I bold here has so much emphasis that HF is either hysterical about what oats did or adheres to an aggressive scumread push too early in the game. It reads so dramatic and theatrical that it gives me scumvibes. Don't know about you but I do tend to get emphas-y and emotional as scum. Again, it's one bit of the puzzle. I wouldn't base my whole read on this but it bumps it into a direction and hence I would like some feedback.
Did you even read titanic 3??????
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Your ONLY contribution in 22 pages of game is still about Cavalinho's post and my reaction to oats. I don't understand how this isn't cleared up already either. You can troll and joke but you can be careful about it at the same time and that's all Cavalinho did imo yet you're constantly mentioning that post... Like wth there's like 200+ posts since that!
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On May 06 2014 16:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 10:22 Holyflare wrote:Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool! Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me. I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though: On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it? On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case. On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.
Mderg is scum too ok for sure.
Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.
Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.
lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.
I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw. I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good. Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though. He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...? If he was reading he'd know you said: On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me. Why do I even bother reading this thread, if you´re saying I don´t read it anyway? I was saying that he´s not 100% scum for his case on you, not that he´s town. Just because I don´t read things the same way as you it doesn´t mean that I don´t read this thread. You´re really pissing me off this game. I don´t like koshi´s play. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oats D1 is always good. Either alignment. He can be in your face on D1. In PYP he had like 10 pages filter D1 & D2 and then 2 page filter in the next 4 days.
This sounds like wanting to policy lynch Oats when there are actual leads that go somewhere, there are reads in the thread, so I don´t like the post. Also, what´s thrawn doing right now, I want to hear more from him.
This is a major overreaction to what I was saying. Like super overreaction. I said oats didn't have a case his case was based on lies and mderg then said that oats probably wasn't scum because of bad meta....? Oats didn't use bad meta he flat out lied which is what i pointed out about mderg not reading but then he gets all super hardcore pissed at me because i pointed out something that doesn't add up...?
Mderg you still need to explain this. Are you saying you don't think oats lied or what..? Previously you said you had NO reads on other players when me and oats had been posting so when and why did that change for oats?
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On May 06 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Overall we want to get an atmosphere of discussion and not plain accusation and I think his style works against that.
When somebody simply calls the stuff you say dumb, even when your points were nothing extremely damning, but a point from where to start scumhunting, you will feel the urge to avenge your point of view you feel had some validity (to the point of giving it more weight what it deserves cause you have to defend it against that attack), that's what I mean by polarizing me vs. Cava and blowing things out of proportion.
I refused to engage on the conversation with HF more than I did cause of this reason. Arguing with him would have put me in a position where I would have been trying to give my point more weight than it actually has, also making me biased towards my read on Cava.
What did i do after i called it dumb? I posted the reasons why it was most likely a towny point of view to not put someone at L-2 even when trolling and you responded that scum like to do things to appear towny which implied cava was trying to act towny instead of just being town. I tried to make discussion happen and you decided not to do it. Not to mention you just stated that you didn't want to argue after I called it dumb but your only return post was to still talk about cavalinho and falsely talk about oats and then ignored everything i posted after that which nullified what you said.
Why u not discuss things?
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I think lonemeow just likes to ignore all my votes in voting thread 
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On May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.
Can you explain this? You think what he's saying is contribution/good/towny?
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