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On May 11 2014 07:52 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 06:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 11 2014 05:25 mderg wrote:
I certainly didn´t think steve would flip town...
I think it´s between poofter/oats/hf. Right now I´m not sure what to think. Poofter looks slightly more scummy to me than the others. I don´t know why he waited to vote steve until he could hammer him. This is really difficult to decide, though, I have to wait to see who gets killed. Maybe that can clear some things up. Can you expand why I look scummier? Not saying I look clear I did call out Steve day 1 and push him day 2 but I was attempting to reach out to him he just kinda rolled over and complained never made other cases. I'm not one of those people who is going to say "he fucked up he should have not played so scummy" its partly on me for not realizing where his frustration was coming from. (although I would probably still lynch him again cause I would never want to be beaten by a scum that defends like that) It´s honestly just a gut feeling. There´s no solid case I can make.
Do you find it odd that everyone has a "feeling" im scummy but not ONE PERSON has been able to make a case of it? Like no one literally has made a case. Shockingly enough when there is no evidence someone is scum they're probably town. Should probably think through the bolded part when you're deciding about who you think is scummy and why.
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Afternoon Ladies. I see Koshi enjoys being wrong, no worries at least his game has been consistently wrong.
First off Everyone should claim today I'm Vanilla Town.
Going to read over again all the stuff Koshi is accusing me of. I will say I saw you didn't vote in the voting thread thanks for that Koshi had you and had you been town we could have potentially lost already so at least that is townie of you.
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On May 11 2014 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Vanilla town.
My lynch is still poofter. I will make a case when I am home in 6 hours.
Oats wanted to lynch poof.
Steve wanted to lynch poof.
Thrawn said Steve wagon was scummy. Poof started.that wagon d1.
Not a single dead townie wanted to lynch me. While after the night kill it looks like I am in the lead to get lynched.
How are you in the lead to get lynched???
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On May 12 2014 03:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.
Can you explain? Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here. Could you give your opinion on this? You have to know that Poofter at this moment got Steveling as 85% scum. Why does Poofter say that Oats is setting up tomorrows misslynch? 1) Doesn't this imply poofter knows today is a misslynch? As in 'tomorrow scum needs 1 more misslynch and Oats is making that happen". 2) Why would Poofter think he is going to get "misslynched" tomorrow when he is the one that pushed Steve? Does he know Steve is town and therefore after this lynch he will become a target? Looks like it.
If I die as town I'm always a misslynch. So it felt like to me Oats was implying that I was reaching out to Steve as a scumbuddy or even scum attempting to help a townie or something when I said the "boring" post he harped on. So in my eyes if Oats is scum he is starting a narrative to get my lynched the next day regardless of the flip on Steve. The fact that made me think this was when he called it a "policy" lynch which I think is kinda bullshit if I don't think someone is scummy I don't lynch them my policy is to lynch those I find scummy.
Koshi why are you asking such leading questions? imo its more townie to either a) give you read on the situation and see if others agree or b) Don't give a read at all and just ask "Hey mderg what do you make of this post" I feel like the way you're asking the questions you're drawing the (incorrect) conclusions for mderg which is scummy. Let him make up his own mind.
Brb wrecking the other posts you made.
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On May 12 2014 03:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Apologies for my absence.
HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.
Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else.
I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced.
Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest.
Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi.
The bolded is the only reasoning IN THE ENTIRE GAME for a scumread of Poofter. Poofter has got 0 scumreads this entire game except for Steveling. Look in his filter. Give me 1 more piece of reasoning to why somebody is scum that poofter has done.
On May 12 2014 03:03 mderg wrote:
The oats kill is kinda strange. I don´t think there was any indication of him having a power role and he was one of the top lynch targets. Makes me feel like it´s poofter trying to divert attention by killing his biggest scumread. Why would scum kill their next and probably easiest lynch target? Because they seem slightly less scummy doing so.
This is based on assumptions but definitely makes sense for me.
I was going to quote my posts where I said that I thought Oats was scummy but I will let you hear them from mderg who says Oats was my "biggest scum read" its in bold. (Steve was my biggest scum read but still) If someone that isn't me is saying that it was my biggest scum read why don't you notice this Koshi? I mean clearly Mderg thinks I had a scum read on him. Also if you will look at the previous quote I posted where I thought that Oats was scummy for making that statement where it felt like he was trying to setup my mislynch. You linked the post so assuming you're reading I think by my tone you can surmise I thought he was scummy. Do you see that?
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On May 12 2014 03:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 12:41 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 07 2014 22:13 LoneMeow wrote:Night 1
<insert flavor here>
Final bote count:Vivax (5): Holyflare, thrawn2112, Cavalinho, Koshi, Steveling, Oatsmaster Cavalinho (0): StevelingSteveling (1): Tehpoofter, Cavalinho, TehpoofterKoshi (0): StevelingOatsmaster (1): Holyflare, StevelingNot boting (2): mderg, VivaxVivax the Naive Recruit (Vanilla Townie) is lynched.
Remember to send your night actions to all hosts. So assuming you're town HF and Steve is red. Who i smost likely to be scum here? (I realize vote count analysis is kinda lame after 1 day but still) I feel like in this type of lynching it might be something more interesting. ]Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative but I feel like its hyper unlikely that there wasn't at least one scum in that vote. That would require HF and mderg are both red. Which would be the opposite of what I think now. So I feel like our scum is between those on the lynch block. If we're right about Steve being scum then I think Koshi is like super obvious to be with him not sure if its too obvious though . He might just be really wrong town he is my biggest question mark. Cav could be that lurker scum that sees his partner going down in flames and just tries to go the busing route. Oats Would be the scum mastermind type his attempt to go from scumsteve to me was really odd and then after that tried to say I scumslipped basically a really weak push on me maybe hoping it gained some traction. I realize associative reads are thin for some reason especially in forum mafia but What does everyone else think? How many mafia were on the Vivax lynch? In my world I'm thinking 2. This is the post Poofter has put in the most effort in. what does this post say? I assume HF is town. (most likely scumbuddy) I assume all the votes are on Vivax so mderg is town. I assume Steve is red. Then pre-flip association reads for all the other people. Nothing here is based on anything. All assumptions. This post is basically worth nothing. Poofter also never ever did anything with what he wrote down here. He just wrote it down once and that was that.
I wrote it down with seeing what I could learn and to reference later knowing more information and plan on doing so again today. I didn't find anything useful for it but spent a lot of time thinking about it so I thought I'd put it out to the thread to let them know where my head was at and even in the post I said "Not 100% sure where I want to go with this tbh or if its informative.." <<< I bolded it in the original post. I really didn't know if it game me any info but I wanted to look at it and see if others agreed. I'm going to make a new one with updated info after I finish Shitting on your case on me.
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On May 12 2014 03:41 Koshi wrote:
Who is poofter his second scummer?
WAIT
Who is poofter his first scummer now that Steveling is dead?
Nobody knows. He is letting it shine through that it is me.
Give me 1 post Poofter has quoted from me and said it came from scum for x reason? Nothing.
The only thing Poofter is calling me scum for is "Guys I am town, Koshi is scum for being so wrong"
That's the only thing.
Well are you scum or bad? I however think you happen to be a good player so I'm leaning towards the scum part not the bad part. I think a town Koshi would consider that with how many times he has questioned my posts and how well I've responded that I might be a little town. Instead you assume the opposite and your read is getting stronger. If you're not scum here Koshi town has lost because scum can just sit back and watch me and you fight today and just choose who to lynch.
Also what do you mean by the underlined section? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I assume you're going back to who is my 2nd highest scum read where I already tore that argument to bits in my last post, but you worded it weird so I'm not sure.
So I will say it now Koshi if you are town YOU ARE UNEQUIVICALLY WRONG Like more wrong than you have ever been. If I am scum who am I with? What did I hope to accomplish by the thrawn/Oats kill? Why was my planned push today (I mean obviously you seem scummy to me for pushing but I'd like to have a better reason than OMGUS so If I'm scum and you know you're town I assume you think you can defend well enough to stop a push from me so who would I go on next? Like What was my plan of attack? Doesn't it make more sense for me to leave my 2nd highest scum read aka Oats alive? Night kills can of course be WIFOM but honestly Koshi walk me through what was my plan? You seem convinced I'm scum and are dead wrong about it and its really annoying because I feel like I have played a town game a town game where I was wrong day 2 pretty bad but still a town game. /end pointless rant
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On May 12 2014 03:51 Koshi wrote:There is so much wrong with his filter but it is hard to proof that it is 100% scum. But his HF townread is typical scum, as scum he can't give good reasoning from this game why (his probably scumbuddy) HF is town so he says: Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.
THAT'S IT. Nowhere he will ever question it. Even after Steve flips town poofter is still pushing Oats and me............ HF is like not in this game for Poofter. "Because it looked like that last titanic game"
I based my town read off his push on Oats when HF has been town and he was right D1 in titanic he tunnel DP into the ground I thought he was going to play that way this game on Oats he fell off that playstyle and the only reason he stayed in my town was because he agreed with my read on steve someone who is agreeing with my reads and thinking what I'm thinking is more likely to be town with me so he stayed in town. With the steve flip I'm of course revisiting all my reads. HF and Cav still need to claim and I'm DEFINITELY not ruling anyone out today. This is Lylo so if I vote wrong as town we lose because 2 scum just vote and its GG.
So Koshi you think that HF is my scum buddy can you make a case on HF? I'd like to read it and reevaluate him. I plan on doing reading myself and research but I have to work this evening so not sure how much time I'll have to be filter diving HF who was literally half the day 1 posts.
If you think we're together what connections have you made with us besides that I called him town pretty strongly? I actually agree with one point that you're making that we should be giving 2 scum reads from everyone today and pushing for either because that makes it harder for scum to keep a coherent line of thought. I want to hear more from Cav/Hf (who are apparently gone for today) and their claims before I'm anywhere close to making a decision. Do you think this is a fair thing Koshi? A townie thing?
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On May 12 2014 06:42 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know what you are saying tbh.
Which part quote it I'm more than happy to explain in more detail.
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On May 12 2014 06:43 Koshi wrote:
So many posts. Where are you solving the game?
Just defend defend defend.
Who are your 2 scummers?
And where is the proof?
I was responding to your posts accusing me. First you answer me do you think any of my defense was townie or you just going with your assumptions?
Right now my number 1 is you Koshi because you're just making accusations without listening to my responses you're using confirmation biasis to either convince yourself I'm scum or push on me to get my lynched. I feel like you're a smarter player than to continue this push from what we've play before I think that is the case and I worry you might be letting something get to you if you're town. Now if you're mafia then everything you're doing makes sense you're pushing on someone who was wrong yesterday and was pushed on by two town people and was the first to push for Steve to get lynched incorrectly. So as mafia your play makes a lot of sense. If you're town it doesn't so you get in the scum pile.
Now I'm not going to vote you or talk about voting you until I have all the info I want to hear from Cav/HF see where they stand (unfortunately I think they said they're afk so we might have to wait a bit but I'm okay with that cause I want to make the right decision)
I've been trying to solve the game all yesterday and I'm commenting on the pretty much only comments from today. I'm going to look at mdergs post now as I only skimmed it earlier.
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On May 12 2014 06:52 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:18 Tehpoofter wrote:
(Steve was my biggest scum read but still) just for clarification: I meant at the time of the night kill, when steve was already lynched
Ok so did you think Oats was a scum read of mine from day 2? or only after the night kill?
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On May 12 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:32 Koshi wrote:On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.
Can you explain? Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here. Could you give your opinion on this? You have to know that Poofter at this moment got Steveling as 85% scum. Why does Poofter say that Oats is setting up tomorrows misslynch? 1) Doesn't this imply poofter knows today is a misslynch? As in 'tomorrow scum needs 1 more misslynch and Oats is making that happen". 2) Why would Poofter think he is going to get "misslynched" tomorrow when he is the one that pushed Steve? Does he know Steve is town and therefore after this lynch he will become a target? Looks like it. 1) This would be easier to judge, if I heard him say it, rather than seeing the text. 2) This seems solid. There would be no need to worry about getting lynched, if steve were to flip scum. Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:41 Koshi wrote:
Who is poofter his second scummer?
WAIT
Who is poofter his first scummer now that Steveling is dead?
Nobody knows. He is letting it shine through that it is me.
Give me 1 post Poofter has quoted from me and said it came from scum for x reason? Nothing.
The only thing Poofter is calling me scum for is "Guys I am town, Koshi is scum for being so wrong"
That's the only thing.
Yeah, it didn´t seem like he had any clear scumreads besides steve and (after that oats). It´s odd but it could also just be that he didn´t have another clear sumread.
I agree his reasoning for calling you scum is unconvincing.Overall there´s solid reasons why poofter could be scum. There´s nothing that makes him scum by itself but the small pieces together paint a scummy picture.
1) The first thing wow that sounds really townie where you said that you would have to hear me say it rather than read it. That screams of objective thinking. That is very true. I do generally talk better than I type (its why I play video mafia more than forum)
2) The time that Oats made that post I thought his push on me was going to be the same regardless of the flip on Steve. The way he said it was "policy" to me read "I don't care we have to lynch steve just because then we go for poofter" so like in my eyes he thinks I'm scum either way. I will however concede that from your point of view you don't know I'm town so it might sound different to you.
I don't understand how you can say the bolded green than red. Do I not have any clear scum reads or am I calling Koshi scum for unconvincing reasons. Like as far as I can tell having STeve as scum then Oats and Koshi as scum reads (even if you think they're bad reasons) is still HAVING SCUM READS So explain to me how you come to those conclusions.
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On May 12 2014 07:13 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:56 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 12 2014 06:52 mderg wrote:On May 12 2014 06:18 Tehpoofter wrote:
(Steve was my biggest scum read but still) just for clarification: I meant at the time of the night kill, when steve was already lynched Ok so did you think Oats was a scum read of mine from day 2? or only after the night kill? It didn´t seem like a clear scum read. It seemed like you thought he was suspicious but no clear scum read.
Agreed. I didn't have very clear reads. Feel free to look at my titanic game/Dr. Who where I was town in both Catastrophe i was a role and only played 1 day and intentionally played scummy because of the mechanics. I don't give very STRONG scum reads. I make cases but I play mostly off questions and putting together information based on the outcomes of votes/night kills.
The way I talked about Koshi and Oats I thoguht they were scummy.
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On May 12 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:So basically your 3 scumreads were the ones on you. Everybody on Steveling was town.  ...
I would love for you to answer even ONE of my questions. You keep dodging my questions I ask you and picking out little things in my post to fit your story this is what scum does not what town does. Town reads a post and thinks "hmm okay yeah I do like that point of him being scummy but you know here that sounds town" YOU are not doing this you're not thinking objectively because you're pushing a mislynch as scum. I have been trying to reach out to you to see if you're town but the way you're playing you're either super butthurt town who is game throwing or you're scum. I hope its the later cause I would rather not lose this game. I have been playing this game as town and you have played with me as both alignments and it shocks me that you can't read me correctly. So I understand mderg may not understand my case on you but I am going to re read today and see where I end up on you aside from the stuff on me because I know thats wrong.
KOSHI PLEASE ADDRESS ANY OF MY RESPONSES OR ANY OF MY QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF SLINGING MORE MUD!
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On May 12 2014 07:24 Koshi wrote:
Who is scum with me Poofter? cav?
I need to hear from Cav/Hf. They haven't talked today. I am not sure what makes the most sense. I feel they need to talk before I discuss that.
While I'm waiting can you answer anything I have? like do you feel I have not been invested in this game? Do you feel I have been pushing an agenda? How did the night kills help my agenda? You say my likely partner is HF is there another?
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On May 12 2014 07:34 Koshi wrote:
Why would we talk to each other?
You don't need to convince me I am scum. I don't need to convince you.
Tell the thread why I am scum.
protip: Quote something from my filter.
What if were both wrong Koshi what If you're wrong about me being scum and I'm wrong about you being scum.... what if thats the case. TAlking to each other is a great way to get a read. I'm not afraid to say what I think and have a conversations. You have been addressing and accusing me and asking me questions. So why is it "suddenly bad to talk" when I want to ask questions??????????????????????????????????????????
I don't need your protips thanks though.
How can you honestly have this logic? I mean we should definitely talk because unless either of us is 100% sure the other is scum through something like a cop check or something then talking is ALWAYS a townie thing. The fact you don't want to just helps my case. Its what I wanted steve to do. He refused and just did littlte one liner bullshit like you're doing.
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On May 12 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 07:33 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 12 2014 07:24 Koshi wrote:
Who is scum with me Poofter? cav? I need to hear from Cav/Hf. They haven't talked today. I am not sure what makes the most sense. I feel they need to talk before I discuss that. While I'm waiting can you answer anything I have? like do you feel I have not been invested in this game? Do you feel I have been pushing an agenda? How did the night kills help my agenda? You say my likely partner is HF is there another? 1) Sure. 2) Why does this matter? I think you weren't invested D1. Only showed interest to lynch Steve D2. And now only try to show activity so people doubt to lynch you and lynch me. 3) thrawn didn't believe steve was scum. thrawn said that steve wagon was scummy. Oats wanted to kill you. I would say the NK helped you very much. How did the NK help me? Really? 4) Why does this matter? Really? Want me to name a townie so he gets mad at me? Really? I only need 2 scummers.
#2 is the most important and thanks for answering btw finally like pulling teeth over here. But #2 you were in the cell mafia game where I was scum and I literally jsut fucked off after the mayor day and got super carried.... that is my scum game. I don't know what to say so I get scared and don't post. So in this game day 1 I played towards my scum meta I could tell you I was doing other stuff but you shouldn't believe me because I'd do that as both alignments so its a null tell at best. Day 2 was town me I went for someone read Dr Who/Titanic I was asking questions and pushing against my scum targets in those games. I was invested I wanted to win. You were in Titanic Dr. Who no but It was there.
#3 I see you have thought about the thrawn kill the Oats kill was pretty obvious and discussed but the fact that you have thought about thrawn in that manner is good seems more townie from you.
#4 It matters because IF you're trying to solve the game you need 2 scums you need to find them both you need to look for pairs and what makes sense. I know that if we hit scum today we still have to hit the other tomorrow so we're in the shitty position of having to be right twice so if you put on blinders and focus only two people (you only 1 in this case because you havent said hardly anything about why HF is scummy) you are destined to lose. You need to look at everyone openly.
So new questions. Lets say a cop had a green check on me who is the scum team then?
Now its not fair of me to ask and not answer so If I found out a cop had a green check on you my best guess would be something like HF/mderg or HF/Cav but I feel like if you're green HF almost has to be scum. HF/Cav need to talk for more info in this area but thats where I'm at. (just because I know that I'll get misquoted and people won't feel like I'm being theoretical I think the scum team is likely to be Koshi/Cav or Koshi/HF I won't say now which one I think is more likely but it has a lot to do with Cav/Hf talking/claiming)
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I'm about to go on lunch at work. I really want to hear from Cav/Hf see how they way in on our talks Koshi. I have like a half horu if you have more questions for me. I have some more for you but I don't want to shit up the thread. I want everyone to be able to read the whole thread and deduce conclusions. I feel like if we argue back and forth it doesn't really help town and causes more confusion than good on a lylo day. On day 1 or something I'd keep at it but in a world where you're not mafia it will destroy us.
So Cav and HF come back!!! Mderg as well.
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On May 12 2014 08:12 Koshi wrote:
The only other lynch will be HF. That answers all your other questions.
No it doesn't
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On May 12 2014 08:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 08:14 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 12 2014 08:12 Koshi wrote:
The only other lynch will be HF. That answers all your other questions. No it doesn't Yes it does.
So happy being wrong So Koshi you bad or scum?
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