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On May 08 2014 06:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 08 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
tehpoofter who else do you think is mafia? Not really sure on number 2 tbh. I get a town vibe from HF. I really like that me and mderg are melding on the Steve thing his post he made while I was writing mine looked like the same stuff and reasoning which to me is good. So between you koshi Oats I found that thing really early scummy from oats. I didn't like the questions Koshi asked and the points he brought up on me because he was misrepresenting what I was saying like he didn't read what I wrote properly or skewed it to look scummier on purpose. too vague for me. can you narrow it down to who you think is scummiest and why?
Sucks for you that its too vague I don't have anything more concrete atm aside from: Read my case it was all in response to Koshi misrepresenting what I said. That is the main point I'm referring to about Koshi. The Oats read has been rehashed a lot since the beginning he also just hammered on a town. (this is always scummy but not heavily alignment indicative as being the last one to be wrong in a case where we really didn't have a strong 2nd wagon going so it wasn't really to save anyone)
So do you think that everyone on steve is scummy? Or just me? what about mderg?
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On May 08 2014 06:53 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 06:41 Tehpoofter wrote: How is it townie to vote off your town read to prove you're right? it's definitely stupid but that doesn't have to make it scummy. do you think that that's the way scum decides to put someone at L-1? if steve was scum, knowing that vivax was town, and knowing that we were probably about to lynch vivax, do you think he'd make the L-1 vote and do it in a way that looks as bad as he did? he would have at least pretended to think that vivax was mafia. there's no way any scum player votes like that, it's simply too shitty and draws too much attention to himself. and like I said. if you are scum, and going to put a townie at L-1 you at least pretend to scum read them.
So you don't disagree that what Steve did was scummy? IT was against a town mindset.... its just "too scummy to be scum" I think if you do something scummy you should be pressured for it especially if what you did got a town Mislynched in an infinite day when discussion was still going. I'm sorry but you're trying to give a free pass to someone who did something against his own win con if hes town. That shit does not fly. He needs to be pressured to talk about why he made this decision and what he hoped to gain information wise by lynching someone he thought was townie.
Do you honestly think someone who does something like that should just get a free pass and be off the table? But people pointing out something scummy someone does that is bad for town should be looked at? Come on thrawn your logic is better than that.
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EBWOP + Show Spoiler +It would be really funny if the part I bolded in the above post was thrawn like in thread coaching his scum buddy Steve Although I'd never base a read off it just struck me as humorous.
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Mderg what do you think of Koshi this game?
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On May 08 2014 07:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
no i dont disagree that it was stupid. but stupid is often townie. suicidal plays usually dont come from scum.
Fundamentally I agree with you but derailing pressure before it even gets started and he can respond is silly. We don't gain any information as town from that. Someone doing something super scummy should be pressured I don't understand why you are hard defending him before he even has a chance to give his answer to why he did things.
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has he really never played as town?
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Wow I didnt even know games got that big thats insane. I thought the 30 or w.e. in catastrophe was huge.
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On May 08 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 13:10 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi are you ever going to explain your reads list? You said you would and you never did.
You're playing way different than you did in Normal and it bugs me. The list I made was like a puzzle. I started this game thinking I needed 5 townreads and this game would be easy but it is impossible to get 5 townreads in this game. I really thought Vivax was scum because he refused to play the game like I know he can. If you want I can explain my townreads at that time. But a lot is based on feels and Vivax being scum... Even though that isn't allowed... I still think mderg/poofter are the lynches for tomorrow and should be copchecked. If we have on because it sounds pretty strong. mderg and poofter had me as town I think and now that I make a comment on poofter & HF during night suddenly they both flip their reads on me? kkHF should be town. I also felt he did the work I did in normall ass mafia but I don't like him anymore. Vivax had him and you as scum... I even forgot about you... Damn this game.
So Koshi I have only called you town in one instance here: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2014 20:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Apologies for my absence.
HF looked like he did in the last titanic game where he tunneled straight on DP all of day 1 and won a night bullet as town. The thing he did for like ten pages on Oats felt like that to me. He seems to really want to push his read. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more traction or rather didn't. He is my town.
Steveling is my scum. He went from Vivax us town back off him guys super town omg, to he needs to not do these things of he is scummy. To now boting him and encouraging his lynch. I need to retread when I'm less tired. But I don't see the townie ess there. In fact what I see is scum Steve going from "hey I. Going to protect this town to maybe pocket him then that doesn't really work so might as well begrudgingly bote and pawn it off on someone else.
I think if Steve is mafia vivax is town which is hard for me to say because vivax always reads as scummy to me. The attack he did early seemed a bit forced.
Oats is a question mark to me I'd like to hear what H F thinks of him now p. that defense of something is too scummy to be scum is bullshit so I don't buy that for a hot minute. As scum you can justify your scumminess in a bunch of ways this is one of the easiest.
Cav I feel is the only other person I'm getting town vibes from.... Maybe koshi.
Aside from that I haven't said that you were town. I didn't yet check to see mderg's stance on you. My read still is that you're trying hard to get pressure off Steve while he just flounders and sorta quits. Like does his reaction seem townie? The point of calling steve scummy is to put pressure on him for doing something scummy. Can you explain to me what feeling you get from Steve's reaction for the pressure and self voting? "omfg kill HF you guys are idiots I'll laugh at you post game" is basically his whole defense. Why is he not just shrugging off the pressure and trying to find other scum he mentioned something briefly about oats/HF scum team last night. At the EoD yesterday he seemed willing to switch to Oats or me.
I feel like Steve if he is town needs to step it up and show his towniness instead of rolling over and dying because if we ML here tomorrow is Lylo which is really bad. If he is scum then keep it up and we will ride this to victory!
Oats/Cav what are your feelings on the situation? Can you comment on all those involved myself/steve/koshi/mderg.
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On May 07 2014 20:15 Tehpoofter wrote:
Forgot ##bote Steveling
Only saving grace for him is that he was scum with me in cell and I did totally just fuck off in that game and him and Palmer carried me. I do however think he might have TMI because his defense of vivax and change of heart afterwards seemed scummy.
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U guys have questions I'll be awake in 8hiurs and more active tomorrow as hopefully less work and no deadline of the other game.
(Typing on my iPad from bed so all typos are definitely intentional)
This post has been brought up a couple times and I worded it poorly. What I mean to say here after boting steve is this.
Steve gave a read on me that I was scummy for playing similar to the game me and him played together as scum in Cell Mafia. IF I was trying to read me as town I think that read makes sense given my limited availability.
The part about the fact that we won that game was pointless and has no effect/never should have an effect on my read. I only gave him townie points for noticing a similar meta.
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On May 09 2014 06:07 Steveling wrote:
How is any of my plays justified if I'm scum?
And what are we waiting for? Let's get this over with.
The town will believe me post mortem at least.
I'm going to sleep now, if when I check this thread again I'm not lynched, you guys have to be flipping bad to not see what's going on.
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I really hope you're scum because post like this make the game really boring if you're town. Rolling over and dying because a couple people are scum reading you is ridiculous. This is over acting whininess and AtE, I can't decide if he is more likely to do this as town or mafia but either way its against the spirit of the game.
Speech if you're town: Step it the fuck up and convince us who the scum are! Tell me why you decided voting your town read was a good idea. Tell me why Oats and Hf are scummy. Please do so with more than just 2 sentences like quote some posts. I saw your Oats case from yesterday wasn't the worst. We need more than this though or town is going to straight up lose.
Speech if you're scum: Keep up the good work!
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Thread seems to be just me I'm around probably looking at my other game if you guys have questions I'll try to get up lets get some dialog going please.
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On May 09 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.
Can you explain?
Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here.
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On May 09 2014 08:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 09 2014 06:07 Steveling wrote:
How is any of my plays justified if I'm scum?
And what are we waiting for? Let's get this over with.
The town will believe me post mortem at least.
I'm going to sleep now, if when I check this thread again I'm not lynched, you guys have to be flipping bad to not see what's going on.
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##bote: Steveling I really hope you're scum because post like this make the game really boring if you're town. Rolling over and dying because a couple people are scum reading you is ridiculous. This is over acting whininess and AtE, I can't decide if he is more likely to do this as town or mafia but either way its against the spirit of the game. Speech if you're town: Step it the fuck up and convince us who the scum are! Tell me why you decided voting your town read was a good idea. Tell me why Oats and Hf are scummy. Please do so with more than just 2 sentences like quote some posts. I saw your Oats case from yesterday wasn't the worst. We need more than this though or town is going to straight up lose. Speech if you're scum: Keep up the good work! Like why is the game boring if hes town? its not boring, its fucking annoying.
Its boring because if Steve is town here and hes basically giving up he is ruining the game for town and giving scum a free win. I want to play an engaging game where both sides try hard and town wins. Like honestly even if Steve is scum here its still boring because finding him was really easy. Its nice when scum rolls over but the feeling when you don't know what happened until the flip is a fun one. So boring. I'll give you annoying too though.
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On May 09 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Its kinda more like a gut read because Poof's mindset is a bit off. Its too encouraging of steve, i did that the last game cause it feels nice but town would be fucking annoyed with his shit. also On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.
Can you explain? Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here. He never ever gave a read on me, suddenly im super super scum. ^^^^ like this point a lot. Poofter keep saying everything about steve points to being scum. Then says if you're town you have to step up, oats case was good stuff. If Steveling's actions only point towards scummy, why would his case on you be good and why make a motivation speech if his actions are only scummy.
I can agree with anyone's case. Maybe hes bussing Oats maybe he is actually not scum look at this game right now everyone but Koshi and afk Cav seems to think that Steve is scum. So either Koshi is like the hardest defending mafia partner ever and this game will be quick and ez. Maybe Steve is getting hardcore bussed. I'm going to give everyone a chance to prove themselves. This is majority lynch so if a town roles over and dies like he is doing its easy to get a misslynch pushed as scum.
@Oats I said you were scummy from your earlier post when Koshi asked me for another scum read. Trying to say "We lynch X today and Y tomorrow" is scummy. Who knows what the day will bring what will be said 1 day at a time is the townie mindset.
@HF ScumSteve could have cased a partner I've done it before and will do it again. Especially if it makes your partner look good its not like Steve ever pushed on that. Also Steve could be town (I'm still leading he is scum but notice I haven't voted him today) As town you should be looking at all your options and interactions. I am surprised you agree with Oats' point here tbh.
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On May 09 2014 09:03 Oatsmaster wrote:What? If steve is town its pretty much Lylo. Best part of every game. Thats not boring. If steve is scum, thats also not boring. Show nested quote +but the feeling when you don't know what happened until the flip is a fun one. thanks for the scumslip bro.
Lylo isn't boring for sure but wasting a misslynch cause a town gave up is boring its basically just saying "damn we should have just let scum have 3kp last night" it happens a lot in video mafia cause people are wusses and don't raise their hands.
Why is that a scumslip? Do you think slips in general catch you a lot of scum?
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On May 09 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
Also cav thinks steve is scum too. It is literally only koshi that doesn't (mabe oats to an extent)
So what is his likely teammate? I still think steve is scum btw but if he is town I want him to not give up and screw up the game for us cause right now he would have all the botes except Koshi. Do you find it odd that everyone seems to agree?
For me I think that Koshi is too obvious does he generally hardcore defend as mafia? I don't know his meta and am far too lazy to read. Cav is an option since hes been kinda lurky but they did have that early interaction that I remember thinking sounded like they weren't scumbuddies. Oats seems to be pushing for him then me gotta plan that shit out!
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On May 09 2014 09:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +This is majority lynch so if a town roles over and dies like he is doing its easy to get a misslynch pushed as scum. Did you just call him town??? :O:O
I have no clue his alignment I think he is scummy I gave him an out IF he is town. The word "If" is in the sentence please read accordingly.
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On May 09 2014 09:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Koshi is playing super fucking weird. Everyone sees steve as scummy BUT koshi and koshi isn't asking steve any questions about his play or anything so how is he so sure? he even said "oh he might be scum" later. Everyone has called Steveling scummy but for some reason koshi uses vivax who didn't really feature in this game as a reason to flip his own meta read on me alone when it's not just me on steve What do you guys think of this?
I think him not questions steve in the least or being like "hey man I'm trying to help you wtf are you doing?" is really weird and scummy.
@HF can you address my questions about everyone being on steve and what that makes you think about his alignment? Also does Oats like to point out slips more or less as either alignment?
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On May 09 2014 09:19 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh but it's not if he is town it's if a town rolls over - like he is doing.
My grammar could be better here the point I am making was if steve is town and he is rolling over like he seems to be doing. I can see it being read like you have it though.
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On May 09 2014 09:42 Holyflare wrote:
I kind of just want to rip off the band aid and lynch steveling tbh. Given him 3 or 4 days of questioning and outs to explain himself and he just called me mafia repeatedly instead of playing the game.
I gave my speech to him if it does nothing in the next time australians should post then I'm down. In the meantime what is your read on mderg and Koshi? I'm about to have dinner but I might get productive and dive some filters later if Steve is still silent.
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