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I don't care what bothers you. All I've done is lynch mafia and get pushed by flipped mafia. If it bothers you, you'll have to get over it.
Quite evidently I've looked at VA's play, because I even made a comment about reading VA's filter not so long ago, if you're actually reading the thread yourself...
I also quoted a post from austin re: blues and powers and balance, so yes, again if you'd been reading the thread you'd know I've considered VA's hero claim...
why you ask me questions with answers that are already obvious 
you know, you could always provide your own opinions rather than expecting me to give you all the answers... novel thought!
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one thing that speaks in VA's favour to an extent is that he's basically only tried to get Poof lynched. So if we lynch Poof and he flips town, then what? Where else to go?
By contrast, poof yesterday was trying to set lynches up on 3 separate players (palmar, va, gum) with notably gumshoe not at the forefront (with the contrast i mentioned before about me being uber suspicious for avoiding the lynch, but gum only being at #3 even though he avoided the lynch by a vote, ergo much closer than me). Also maybe notable is that his rhetoric that there could be 3 mafia players left so we couldn't lynch poof could also be interpreted as a scare tactic
Superficially it sounds kinda convincing in VA's favour, but I can see VA just doing that thang as mafia, just because. So meh. Pick yo poison/
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meh, we have 7 cycles of information now, we should be able to decide...
i mean obviously poofter is gonna create more content than VA whether poof is town VA is mafia or poof is mafia and VA is town, that's just the way things are. i mean i've commented quite a lot on what poofter has given us (e.g. the Palmar reach, the marv/gumshoe avoiding the lynch difference, etc) and very few people (practically none) have actually commented on the things i've said about it. there's no excuse for anyone to do that, it's poor. that includes you jat.
i've kinda vascillated back to poof now, given my post above, and just wanting to see if i was right after all :x
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On May 18 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
It also bothers me how tentative and non-pushy you are this game, marv.
Ok so you want to lynch VA based on gumshoe association. Have you looked at VA's play at all? Have you made comparisons to other games? Have you considered his hero claim that he made basically at the start of the game?
This actually bugs me. How does this bother you?
On the day I subbed in, you hard-defended me saying I was "obvtown" and that we were never going to lynch marv. Obvtown marv! Great!
Subsequently I lynched Ace (mafia, who also almost got me lynched) and started the switch that everyone happily followed on to gumshoe (mafia) and now you're bothered by things about my play?
Doesn't add up.
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given we haven't mislynched since i joined the game, i think i've done a fucking good job, actually.
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are you actually going to talk about lynch preferences at any point?
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must have been that other dude's case on Ace and that other dude that everyone followed on to gum.
my bad.
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doesn't really bear thinking about. it's pointless. then again i'm going to humour you so i don't waste my rapidly dwindling supply arguing further
jat is the only megatown. I had niggling doubts but after gumshoe got lynched I went back and re-read the almost-gumshoe lynch from a couple days prior and jat looked soooooo town. He tried to consolidate town on to Ace (mafia) and then on to gumshoe (mafia).
I wanted to find you scummy just now but it turns out you're probably just dumb. So not you either probably.
VE ~~~~~~ meh. not a beacon of townie light to me especially as he was rallying people to my lynch the day gumshoe didn't die T.T But I guess he felt better for no particular reason although he still hasn't done that much. Also the fact no-one really went for his lynch kinda speaks in his favour (i know normally resistance to lynch = scummy, but in this case people i consider townies were either umming and ahhing or outright defending him.)
So Palmar. Palmar can be scum simply for not being on lynches at the right time and not doing anything. Obviously my read is that this isn't the case, and I've tried to explain a few times why. Just don't feel it.
I think in the end I want to lynch poofter, to see if i'm right, to make VA play if poof flips town too.
Also there's the little thing i mentioned before... on the day Ace got lynched, the only two people else who had votes were gumshoe (1) and poofter (2). And Ace didn't fight that lynch, at all. Because the alternatives were buddies?
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ok it does make me feel better.
##Vote: tehpoofter
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it should be 100% obvious who I would lynch if you flipped town, so no worries there 
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urg, just got home and i'm a little... compromised.
hai everyone
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dunno. Palmar probably. Sounds right no?
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3 day vigis and 6 mafia seems so high, even with the low nightly KP :x
List of three things that I'm totes not getting at anything with:
People who tried to lynch marv for terrible reasons
Ace
tehpoofter
VisceraEyes
People who kept calling poof town despite multiple good reasons being given for him being mafia
VisceraEyes
People marv has had his vote on this game
gumshoe
Ace
tehpoofter
VisceraEyes
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Ace may be more fun to keep around, but he's also sooo much more fun to lynch.
Totally random thought - if someone comes out the blue and claims medic, people should be sceptical of it at least, and not just blindly trust it
it's possible mafia made some funny play because they were in such dire straits
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On May 19 2014 20:08 Palmar wrote:Marv, I'll lynch whoever you want to lynch tomorrow, you've earned that. However, if you have nothing to do today, go read WoS again. There is something about his quote where I called him mafia, when he defended himself not based on his content in this game, but appealed to his own skill instead or something. I would like you to go confirm you actually think he's town. Here's the quote I mentioned. Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote:This game was a hell of a lot more fun when I didn't care about it. I've already explained why JAT looks like shit, he has done nothing but push Foolishness all game to the detriment of any other scumhunting and usefulness. I've also already explained why I don't like Austin's push on Fool AFTER he came out with the QT as to me, the QT made him look townier. Also I was/am mad at them/myself. Fact remains that there are still a billion to people to lynch ahead of either of them. I want to say you're one of them but strangely enough your 'proof' actually resonated with me. Also Palmar plz.
I kicked your ass as scum in Survivor series. You really think I'd be caught like that? I care about my scumgame way too much to play the way I did for the first half of the game, but of course that's not necessarily indicative for you. Maybe Ace's nuke will actually land. That'd be nice. I guess maybe Poofter tomorrow? I think a lot of his stuff yesterday made me hate him less than I did after that one post so I'll have to re-read. Or we can just start YOLOing into lurkers. Something about the way VA was so easily convinced to switch bothers me even though I read him as town. meh. The point is he seems to think he can indeed be caught. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. The wording is just super strange, I wish I had Robik here, to grammar detective up in this shit for me. "You really think I'd be caught like that?" is just a strange sentence, also his defense against my accusation has nothing to do with the accusation I made against him. So yeah marv, the most useful thing you can possibly do tonight, is go make a verdict on WoS.
Just had a reasonably close read through his filter. I'm pretty sure he is town. More sure than I was before I read his filter. Maybe it's the benefit of a couple of flips, but his filter reads much townier than when I read through the game originally. He seems to flit around in a very natural way and at points rambles on about something in a natural way, pushes targets naturally (e.g. "does anyone else hate this post?" - re: poofter - doesn't seem bussy). I've just used "natural" as a justification 3 times which possibly isn't very helpful... uh... dunno, just the way his focus moves around, the way he talks about things, the way he talks to people, none of it seems put on.
I think what you're picking up on is just an ego thing or something.
Would never lynch Wave ahead of VE for example. I think if Wave is mafia he's played absolutely brilliantly because there's nothing formulaic about his posts and conversations.
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Is Plam still mafia, VE? Or is it VA? Or who? Does Poof's flip change your opinion on Palmar?
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On May 20 2014 16:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
But then I've got the spirit of Foolishness whispering from my quicktopic "marv can't be this right and be town...kill him...kill him..."
Good thing I don't believe in ghosts. Marv is very often this right as town. It would be if he was less right that I'd be worried.
ikr? So why is VE even saying it casually when he knows this himself? It's exceptionally strange. Very, very strange. The whole poof business really bothers me too.
On May 20 2014 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have to read before I answer. I thought for sure poof was town, so this changes a lot in my opinion.
Like, really? 3 of the towniest/most influential people in the game (Wave, marv, jat) have pushed poofter at different points of the game with different, and good reasoning, and you "thought for sure" he was town? At best this is a terrible, negligent disregard for the opinions of your fellow townsfolk. If a whole bunch of good, townie-looking players think someone is mafia, it should really make you think twice, thrice, etc.
Maybe VE is just ploughing his own furrow and being bad by not listening to other people? But then stuff like this bothers me:
On May 19 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's mostly that I'm townreading poofter at this point. Like, his posting just doesn't feel like it's coming from an informed perspective. Palmar has done nothing and frankly the fact that poofter is even attempting to look town makes Palmar a better lynch today. Palmar as scum is absolutely capable of not giving a shit and doing nothing. While I concede that it's possible that town Palmar does the same, I feel comfortable saying that I find it far less likely.
On May 19 2014 08:16 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I went through all flipped scum filters, Poofters and Vaynes. Only Palmars left but I think my vote will stay here today tbh.
##Vote: Tehpoofter
The problem is that I have trouble seeing him in a team right now. Who is his buddy if there are 2? VE? Hmm... Other things pointing towards town are his oats vote day2 and that he actually shot early in the game while the 2 confirmed scum dayvigs both tried to hold their shot as long as possible.
Apart from that large parts of his filter reek of TMI. Like how he threats oats as confirmed mafia before he flips. How he defends Foolishness. How he goes after Ace for a long time but just when there are other people entertaining that idea he changes his read. There is a weird switch on prplhz who he thought was town early in the game. And finally he wanted to lynch VA/Palmar over gumshoe.
Two totally opposing views of poof's filter, of which jat's is obviously more right. Is VE not reading? Intentionally making things up? jat's main point is that poof's filter *reeks* of TMI, yet VE thinks poof's posting doesn't come from an informed perspective.
Honestly, it feels like VE is being wrong on purpose, or not reading, or something.
I Am Alive
So, me being alive is a thing. I don't like it. I feel like I'm being setup. I don't know what the setup is for, what the goal is, what's happening or why right now, but it really feels like I should be dead and I am not. This points me more towards VE/Palmar than VA tbh. I'm not generally known to hand-wring when I'm left alive, indeed it gets pretty tedious when people question it so usually I brush it off. So if VA is mafia he doesn't have any particular reason to believe that I'd make any different decisions because I'd been left alive, and I've already shown clear willingness to kill him.
So by default it makes me more suspicious of a VE making a play or a Palmar keeping me alive because I've been defending him all game.
Unless this game is amazingly imbalanced, only one of you is mafia, so whichever of you guys are town need to push their thoughts/lynch choice into the thread asap rather than late near the deadline tomorrow when it's too late to make an informed decision.
Palmar, now's the time to stop being a dick like you promised, and really play.
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not really, and I'm not going to waste another post asking you to play. I'm at least somewhat irritated this game is still going so although I've defended you all game I'll literally just lynch you for trolling around if you carry on and be done with it.
Find me the mafioso, you've done next to nothing all game which is fine and all, but now is the time to apply effort
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VA is still a top target, maybe my wording in my larger post suggested otherwise but it wasn't meant to.
Lynching VA is pretty appealing if nothing else for the reason that it would be horrible to lose to someone who played like that.
You may as well tell me what you like about VE while we're at it, it can't hurt.
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Maybe. If Vayne is mafia they have 6 mafia including 3 day vigis and a hero. Ugh
Giving town a hero when mafia have so many day vigis intuitively makes sense to me. Otherwise mafia already have more numbers than normal (6/23 instead of 5/25), 3 day vig shots, and the ability to shoot a townie who tries to shoot them.
If we take the no-lynch and the no-kill as cancelling each other out, town has mislynched twice and lynched mafia 5 times, and we still only have one mislynch left
Granted two townies have shot two townies, but at the same time two mafia have not used their shot either...
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