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Odin looks like town Odin to me, but I think he still may fall into the 'noob' category, in which case you'd have to lynch him as you always to the opposite of what my reads for newbies are.
Slam you yourself are not off the hook. I can't at all correlate reasons you've given for why you thought shooting yamato OR ME would be a good idea.
Koshi your point re:geript makes a lot of sense----only thing that recently struck me is that clarification as to geript's death could be a very sneaky question from scum to try and figure out the role use. I'm keeping that in my back pocket right now despite my townread of you. As to his reads, I think I'm pretty recently motivated to actually do a re-read of the game since it's not particularly long. Effort may go a longer way in this game than usual and I'm kind of sick of being wrong w/respect to my reads.
I <3 geript but the shot DID seem silly especially from what I still believe to be a likely scumteam largely composed of 'vets' who wouldn't be threatened by him. It certainly explains the sandroba shot despite him not looking too great (imo) and not accomplishing a whole lot. The thing is though, I don't see geript randomly sacrificing himself this early in the game. He clearly was very active and had a lot left to do---in his mind I don't see him at all finding someone else's protection more important than his own. He was almost certainly shot, so it was either a blue-sniping attempt (VA?  ) and/or geript crumbed something they picked up on, or like I said, the scumteam is largely composed of the vets that would otherwise be shot on N1, and geript was on to stuff. I am leaning towards the second option since the combination of kills is really good evidence. Sandroba is threatening to people who know him, as he can be a lategame monster for town if he puts the effort in. Makes sense that a scumteam of vets would want to remove him...but then why would said people bother with geript? He's certainly not 'known' for anything special, really. Simply because he was the best target available to the scumteam. If the vets were similarly scared of another 'vet' then they would have shot that person. This means they must have been scared enough of geript to place him above other 'vets' in priority, AND/OR those vets are ON the scumteam. I don't believe shooting to avoid protection to be a major factor here as there were no obvious protect targets in my opinion.
I have no idea where the above just came from, I was inspired I guess. I like my theory though and now I finally have a moving point for this game. Gotta remember to do vote analysis too later. People are welcome to comment.
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lol Caller I've been calling VA scummy all game. Get on my level.
Doesn't mean I'm completely sold on it yet. I'm also not sure how your point makes him scum exactly. There are plenty of people who play like fucking retards in every game and do whatever they want to the detriment of everyone else. I think it's been too long since you've actually played a game.
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And yet somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if VA soft claimed blue and then let himself be lynched 'cause he didn't give a shit.
I guess we'll see.
For the talk of VA being dayvig, if Slam is actually town we likely don't have any more KP as we had SnB/Slam, and I don't see town getting shit tons of KP in a game where scum have 1-2 nightly KP.
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On April 30 2014 01:20 austinmcc wrote:
@WoS
More/different tasks if you really want. Read poofter's stuff on Koshi. Specifically, pushing snb, then getting gifted posts, and coming back late in the cycle to say snb was the lynch of justice, blah blah, without actually DOING anything, without talking about oats, without trying to get people to move to snb when the lynch could have gone either way (yet he thinks oats is town and snb is mafia), blah blah. Does poofter have the right of this? Does that feel like Koshi, as Koshi claims? Does it feel like Generic Yum Yum Good Play?
Seriously though, Koshi's stuff on Geript's reads is bad bad. Koshi 100% knows snb's alignment. Koshi 100% knows Koshi's alignment. Koshi looks at geript's reads, goes "He was wrong about snb and wrong about myself, but he was probably right in all this other stuff." ALL THE EVIDENCE, IN KOSHI'S MIND, SAYS THAT GERIPT'S READS WERE INCORRECT. KOSHI IGNORES THAT 100% AND DECIDES THE REST OF GERIPT'S READS ARE JUST ALL GRAVY.
Geript's reads are useful, we can talk about em, use em, but Koshi should be having his OWN reads more than using Geript's to push D2 crap. Shouldn't be 72 hours of "Here's what Koshi thinks" and then when Geript flips "Oh wait, here's what Geript thought, let's work off this."
Austin I never once said I was going to take all of geript's reads at face value. I still believe they killed him for a reason. Also if you look Koshi recently went back and said what he wrote about geript's reads were dumb and bad...does that change what you think?
Re: Oats...can't read the guy worth shit. Like ever.
BH---I'm kind of disappointed JAT randomly called you scum before I got the chance to because I feel like the wind has been taken out of my sails. Purely from a meta standpoint this fits BHs scumplay in many games to a T. See Carnival Cruise for a good example---incredibly arrogant for fun (because BH turns this on and off at will), unapologetic, and unwilling to truly assist town in any way. In recent games where BH gets mislynched or shot as town, he has been extremely passive to the point where people assume he is scum---I believe BH has changed it up this game for specifically this reason as BH likes to change up his playstyles fairly often and has not used this one in a while. Now let's get to the non-meta stuff: if you don't like meta you can ignore the above.
On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.
Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.
Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.
##vote gumshoe
This basically amounts to a scumclaim for me. JAT touched on this, but not only is this push to LYNCH (note lynch, not shoot) gumshoe as a lurker horribly scummy on its own, but anyone who knows gumshoe in any way at all would know that when gumshoe doesn't play the game at all, he is town. BH calling gumshoe having 'posted in the last 24h' doesn't mean he is playing this game. He is simply nonexistent whatsoever and does this exclusively as town (see NMM, and Cultured I think it was?). If people are worried about gumshoe being scummy I could see a case being made to shoot the guy to eliminate a question mark, but to waste a lynch on that shit? Horrible.
Now note BH's attempted voting analysis. On one hand he has a point about regarding people who 'didn't take a stance' on D1, but it's not so simple at all---any scum present worth their salt will have just piled onto one of the two as it reached deadline (hence why when I mentioned voting analysis, it should be done not for deadline, but earlier in the day when most votes were down elsewhere---haven't gotten to that yet though). BH is essentially taking the easy way out. He's right that scum don't need to be active to win thus far (and I don't think that's likely to change honestly, given the posting restriction, TL meta in general and the apathy of this town, myself included) but that doesn't mean all scum are inactive and just decided to not to anything D1. I would especially like to note that he talks about how he was going to push geript today if he didn't get shot which isn't indicative of anything necessarily but absolutely NOWHERE does he mention his own push on SnB while still calling himself the best scumhunter in this game. I mean I get the character-driven arrogance, but to try and completely ignore his own hand in getting one of the strongest and most vocal townies in this game lynched (and I really do regret switching over now, even if it would have been a no-lynch)---that's damning imo.
The kills as austin also mentioned earlier would also appear to implicate BH in that he is one of those who would consider a semi-active sandroba a valuable kill, and also knows to some degree what an on-point geript is capable of.
##Vote: Blazinghand
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Important posts:
On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote:
Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works.
On April 29 2014 05:27 sandroba wrote:
Last post so I better make this count.
Foolishness and palmar are mafia together. That actually makes caller town. Here is what happened day 1.
Caller fake nukes palmar -> Foolishness posts BS case on prpl which is so bad it doesnt get any real traction -> palmar thinks he will die and uses his scum power to save foolishness from the embaressment and being completely obvious scum and if coroner flips palmar later it will make prpl look bad and foolishness look good -> caller: "lol gotchu bitch that was kebab" -> palmar foolishness : "fuuuu now we obv scum gg"
Austin, Caller, thoughts?
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Running out of posts so I will totally vote foolishness later if people don't bother to look at BH. I'm all flipfloppy on Palmar so he can live for now and we'll see how sandrobas reads line up If foolishness flips red
Also an addendum to stuff people have said about him: no long-ass essay posts (or newspaper articles) from him.
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On April 30 2014 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea i'd say anyone pushing foolishness is suspicious as fuck. his reads are good besides WoS, that guy would not play this terrible as scum he barely ever gets to play it.
LOL VAYNE
Fucking dismantled his whole case with like 5 words
Hmm Vayne isn't usually this insightful as scum. I guess I'm pretty easy to be won over when people read me right.
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I bet EVERYBODY has a gun and can totally threaten everybody.
Poofter isn't going to shoot anybody and was never going to.
Please.
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I'm still mad at you Oats
</3
R u scum again?
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Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin.
Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence.
I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum.
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I still really like JAT despite him calling me a little bitch. There's been some RL contributing to the apathy this time but I won't really make excuses; I think it's been more the post restriction that severely cramps my style of being able to/wanting to post exactly what I'm thinking without having to format and organize my thoughts.
Anyway, despite RoL coming back and telling me he needed time to do stuff after I called him out early in the game as being somebody who never plays games I'm in with him (still only found The Game as an example, I could've sworn there was another though) he's done dick all.
Austin the reason I haven't voted yet is because of those I listed I want one of them out of the game and I don't know who the towniest among us wants out at this point---I fully planned on sheeping along (and still do) and it won't be like yesterday either where I sheeped onto a townread just to prevent no-lynch. Was stupid play and I really regret it. In this case if I sheep it'll obviously be onto one of the generally agreed upon useless players---the shitty part is that they could very well be town but at least I won't regret it.
I'll start us off here. Of those I mentioned, the most useless by far is RoL and I'd be happy to see him out.
##Unvote
##Vote: RebirthofLegend
Cephiro could be traitor like people said, and Oats could be scum---if people decide that they want one of those two out I'll gladly switch.
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I am in agreement to some degree re: Foolishness---there are some things about what he's done this game that I really don't like but again the BH mason business has me forced to believe in him for now. It is almost assured there are scum sitting back and doing dick all this game, it's just a question of whether we want to crapshoot into the lurkers right now to find them or eliminate active/semi-active posters. I for one think we crapshoot for now. JAT maybe you SHOULD take your shot.
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One of the three I mentioned.
RoL oats or cephiro
RoL will not do dick all the entire game and is a massive question mark.
Oats is just oats---barely dodged a lynch yesterday, hasn't done a whole lot today and I can't read him---not enitrely sure he is scum here but again he's gonna be a question mark for a while
Cephiro ----traitor claim amongst other things
I don't include gumshoe in this list notably because I believe he is town despite him lurking like an asshole.
Prplhz in regards to your question---there are worse offenders that need to be gotten rid of honestly. What BH has done with the way he full on defended fool is he inextricably linked them together. foolishness has declined to comment on the matter. I believe at this point considering the way it has been handled they are either both town or both scum. Certainly the latter is possible and considering my scum read on BH, actually somewhat likely ( but then of course you get into the 'why would BH hard defend a scum buddy wifom), but if they are town we are losing a way more valuable member of town in foolishness than any of the others mentioned.
Look again if the majority is coming around to the cases on him I'll sheep along as I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about him not being scum than Snb (and I still helped lynch that guy ) but right now questions marks need to be removed if at the very least to make this game even slightly more difficult for scum.
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Poofter that was a fucking retarded shot if real.
LETS IGNORE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARENT DOING ANYTHING WITH OUR VIGI SHOTS HERP FLERP DERP LYLO WILL BE FUN WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN TALK AMIRITE?
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##donate 2 posts: JAT
I only have like 2-3 posts after this now but you'll make better use of them in all likelihood.
TO be fair I kinda figured either you or he was faking it because people love to do that shit. If poofter was truly town you'd think he'd realize it was a retarded shot to even begin with so no I didn't protest heavily.
Also fucking Ace----like there is no way all of these apathetic/useless people are scum. This is why we lose. 100%
It's so much worse in this game than any of the other large games I've played in. Scum can mislynch into anybody they want right now.
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So BH, every lurker must be scum amirite?
Surely nobody who is playing the game could ever be scum.
Fuck this game.
I'm out for the night, hope Oats flips scum.
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##vote: Oatsmaster
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If you in any way in hell think we would be able to shenanny in a game with 50% lurk and barely getting majority at all, you are either deluded beyond any hope or scum.
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The fuck
and he didn't shoot anyone?
lol oats
Alright good this game isn't as hopeless as I thought.
Ace/RoL next imo
Can't decide where I sit on VA
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Actually this likely clears a LOT of people especially since Oats didn't use his shot. I can't see any conceivable way scum would bus him knowing he'd just lay down like that.
Austin make a list or something I'm way too damn lazy this game (I'm sorry and I love you for keeping shit going)
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Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd.
If you don't die wanna hash that out with me?
PS I find it mostly hard to believe a scum JAT would blatantly push hard against an Oats lynch when the rest of his team basically didn't give a shit. Lol or perhaps that's WHY he pushed specifically?
Meh.
Ill be around deadline-ish maybe a little before.
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