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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 17:33 GMT
#1386
Oh jeeze. I feel like whatever decision I make will be the wrong decision.

I have gut feeling that Bunny is town and Eden is scum, but there are a few things I didn't like that both of you guys have ended up doing the past day or two.

Eden I didn't like that you believed that Bunny panicking was indicative of her mafia alignment. It seemed like you wanted to say that to sway me to solidify my vote against her. Your parity cop explanation I didn't particularly care for either, but I may be reading too much into that so I'm not sure. I would also disagree that changing my vote isn't indicative of my alignment.

Bunny I didn't like that there were many times that you cleared yourself (and dfs and Drav cleared you too) under circumstances that I would find questionable, as well as saying things like Drav was scumreading me on and off the whole game, when really it was only half of the first day. It's stretching the truth. Eden at least was able to keep it objective in what their thoughts on him were.

So I guess I have to decide on a gut-feeling vote, Eden, or a vote based on the data, Bunny.

I have to grab something to eat...
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 20:20 GMT
#1389
Ok, so I think I've made my choice. I looked through a lot of the game and, honestly, both of you have some suspicious things about them. Drav and dfs had kind of been fencing/verge of scumreading Eden all game and townreading Bunny the whole game, too. It's hard to say that Eden isn't town when he's been fenced/scumread by Drav and dfs all game.

As much as I credit Eden for driving the lynch on Drav, I now believe it was a bus. Drav was voted on by Bunny first, and then by Yellow. Lynching Drav right then, someone already suspicious, would give Eden a lot of town credit, especially if he drove hard to lynch her. Yellow changed his vote off Drav when Eden voted for Drav because Yellow didn't think a mafia (Eden) would want to bus Drav right then. Eden may have been able to stay on the Meat lynch, but I think maybe he saw another opportunity to distance himself from his partners by having dfs split his vote with him, as lynching Meat would likely be able to put a lot of suspicion on dfs and Drav, which might lead to Eden later. Dfs voted for Meat, Ahs switched to Drav, and Drav voted for Meat. Eden knew Drav was dead, which was why he was arguing so strongly for him. When Yellow switched to dfs, Eden strongly argued against lynching dfs, in favor of Drav, under the premise that Yellow was scum so dfs must have been town.

Eden was the only person who saw Yellow as scum past day 3, when Tamburini wasn't blocked from shooting. He tried to get a lynch going on Yellow instead of dfs, who seemed to me to be more scummy in my eyes. Nobody went for Yellow, understandably, and Eden switched to dfs at the end. I think Eden wanted to save dfs from being lynched, but saw that he couldn't at that point and voted on dfs instead with the rest of the group.

Before that, Eden also argued strongly for the Tamburini lynch, a lynch that I really didn't want to go through after Tamburini claimed vigi. I disagreed with it then, but I thought I saw Eden's reasons for doing so anyways (eliminating an extra kp in the night). Now, from the perspective that Eden is mafia, I can especially see how he would want to lynch Tamburini. Tamburini can't get shot in the night if he chose protection, which is why Eden wanted to lynch him right then. It makes more sense from a mafia perspective, to me, to want to lynch a vigi claim with the chance that they're actually serial killer. If they're not a serial killer, hell you lynch a vigi anyways, or at least a fakeclaiming townie.

Yellow getting shot last night. Honestly, it had to be Yellow out of the three of us if Eden were scum. There was no way Yellow wouldn't have voted for Eden, and there was no way I or Bunny would have voted on Yellow. This kind of goes against my wanting to analyze the Yellow death last night, but I'm bringing it back again. Bunny didn't push all that hard on Yellow's death being a deciding factor in reading Eden as scum, which, to me, was unusual. Had she tried to push it that Eden had killed Yellow for these reasons, I'd have considered it as Bunny trying to frame Eden. Even though I had that scenario listed before, I'm surprised Bunny didn't try to attempt it anyways. Having seen Bunny's reactions, I think scenario 1 I listed is more likely, that Eden killed Yellow to prevent Yellow from voting on him.

The past 2 days have also made me decide to switch. Eden's pushing on Bunny for reasons that I don't find scumworthy have made me suspicious. Her panicking does not indicate her as scum, like Eden seems to think so. I don't think it indicated her as town tbh, but placing a scumread on her panicking wasn't a very good reason for me. You pushing her on arbitrary word choice, even I could care less about that. Your answers to my parity cop questioning I didn't find all that acceptable either.

I also feel that Eden sided with me over Bunny specifically because both he and I were scumread by Drav and dfs (though him less so than me). By clearing me as town because of their reads, he's indirectly clearing himself a bit and putting pressure on Bunny because she's read as town by them. It's a good way to get me on his side against Bunny. Bunny had less to protect herself with anyways as she hasn't contributed nearly as much as Eden and I have had, so it wouldn't be hard to push her for that.

Eden's played a great town this game. But his sticking on Yellow, and deflecting on dfs after Yellow voted on dfs has swayed me to change my mind. I don't think I'm changing my vote now Eden. Sorry if you're town.

##Vote: Eden1892
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 20:59 GMT
#1392
Argh...

Sigh.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 21:26 GMT
#1395
Eden, I know you've been more objective and data focused this game. But I can't help but think that a lot of the data, such as Tamburini getting blocked and Yellow not getting shot clearing Yellow as town was completely ignored by you. You just seemed to push that information aside and vote for Yellow regardless, while trying to convince people to join you at the same time. The deflection from dfs, because you thought Yellow was scum might have been alright, but to me, Yellow had no reason to be scum at that point.

Yes, dfs and Drav weren't directly townreading you like they were Bunny, but I feel like them fencing you the whole game isn't indicative either. Bunny brought it up before that everyone was townreading her at that point. How strange might it look if dfs and Drav hadn't townread Bunny?

Tamburini lynch as well. It feels like you were pushing town in a direction that I was not willing to go. When someone claims vigi, my first thought isn't to immediately lynch them for being a possible serial killer. That's a potential loss of a vigi, which can only hurt town. I don't feel the extra kp that killing a serial killer would lose us was worth lynching a potential vigi over.

You being mafia would mean that you were bussing Drav the whole game. You've been scumreading her from day 1, too.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 21:26 GMT
#1396
##Unvote

For now. I guess I gotta make a decision pretty soon then.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 21:49 GMT
#1401
On May 17 2014 06:40 Eden1892 wrote:
We might end up x-posting here, but you still haven't answered the crucial question I keep harping on here -- why would dravernor and dfs set themselves up to be sacrificed from the beginning like this? It requires prescience that I would end up in the final three, which doesn't make sense at all. One, there's no way to know that on D1, and two, scum don't play for a win like that, they try to get as many people to LYLO as they can so they have as much control of the endgame vote as they can. Willfully sacrificing two thirds of their voting power to push one guy to the endgame doesn't make sense.


The only way I can see that you mean they are setting themselves up to be sacrificed from the beginning is that they weren't townreading you, and that if they were townreading you, you might have had more power to sway people. It might not make the most sense to not townread one of your partners, but to me, it's like they're investing in risk. They weren't setting themselves up to be lynched later, but you were the strongest of the two of them (if you are mafia, anyways). If they get lynched, them not townreading you would make you look townie in comparison.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1407
Sorry Eden.


##Vote: Eden1892


No time to change now anyways.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 22:22 GMT
#1433
Oh hell yeah!
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 23:31 GMT
#1455
That was stressful figuring out who to lynch.

Eden, was I on track with that parity cop thing, did you slip up?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 16 2014 23:40 GMT
#1458
That vigi claim LOL.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 17 2014 00:09 GMT
#1462
From scum QT

Eden: Y'all are gonna have some catching up to do. I'm challenging Epishade here. He seems weak. I'll see if I can't get an opening.

hahaha.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 17 2014 00:13 GMT
#1464
I saw that too rofl.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 17 2014 00:32 GMT
#1466
On May 17 2014 09:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Robik+Bunnies qt!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dZmhF7V34xrgg

He yelled at me dammit! Lmao


Pshhhht, that's nothin. Take a look at my QT!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bK4tBvRvCap
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 17 2014 01:27 GMT
#1475
Oh yeah, I forgot. Nobody caught my joke about the second worst parity cop in TL mafia. I'll go find it.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 17 2014 01:29 GMT
#1476
On May 15 2014 16:10 Epishade wrote:
Another thing I have on Eden was his asking Tamburini who he was going to shoot. He admitted he didn't think that one through.

The last one was asking us if either of us were parity cops. Idk what he would have done with that information if one of us had answered yes lol. Certainly wouldn't believe it if either of us said yes, and no way to check either. It's a little weird at this point to be asking that I thought, but it might have been a trap. If Bunny or I were mafia though, I don't think we'd be dumb enough to fall for it. If one of us said yes to that, we'd never be able to explain our actions throughout the course of this game as being the second worst parity cop in all of TL mafia.

Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 01:34:05
May 17 2014 01:30 GMT
#1479
I think you do rofl.
Misread what you said. Wonder if anyone got it though during the game.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
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