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27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 14:09 GMT #1374 I'm not saying it speaks to our alignments! I'm saying it speaks to his alignment. And i have discussed why. Also , while I think epishade is town here, just because dravernor and dfs read him as constantly scummy means nothing. Mafia can easily bus their partners. We all voted off drav and dfs.. Which means whoever is mafia out of you and epishade (im leaning towards you) bussed both of their partners! But yes, the "data" as you say speaks more to epishade being town than mafia. As for me being mafia over you, i have to disagree. I dont see how im more mafia than you are.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 14:25 GMT #1375 So if eden is mafia here, he made himself quite the independent mafia. Day one he was super active. The only thing i have reserved about his day 1 play is that his votes were all over the place, some people read him as scummy, me included, for the random place of his votes. Another point in his behalf is that he did place a vote on dfs that day. Even though it was super early in the game, hence why i think he is playing the independent mafia angle this game. Even after i recended off of yell0w, eden wanted to go super hard on him for awhile. I find that a bit iffy, but then again tamburini wanted to as well, and he flipped town. I'll post more in a bit. Really hard to do this from a phone

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 14:53 GMT #1378 Oh I totally agree. Bussing is a terrible play, unless there is logic behind it, or whoever mafia is thinks they can really clutch the win. So yes, here, it worked because a mislynch is being pushed on me by the mafia. But you already knew that, didn't you? I said in my post that epishade is most likely town here, so stop twisting my words here. I was considering the possibility that mafia could have majorly scumread their partner for these reasons 1) if their partner was to get lynched, they would gain credibility, 2) if they were to get lynched, their partner would gain credibility.. But i think its you. Both of us were slightly scum read by both mafia, and you were highly suspected by mafia towards the end of their reads. I know this put suspicion on me, since i was scum read at the beginning and town read by the end, but it could easily be a play by you that you told them to start suspecting you to throw suspicions off of you when you bussed the hell out of them both! You are nowhere new to this game, so it could easily be a play made by you.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 14:55 GMT #1379 Great! We have a time now! And im going to be freaking driving in the last 4 hours of the day. Fml.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 15:29 GMT #1380 So if yall have any questions ask now. And then ill give my final defense before i have to drive. Sucks i have to do it that way but eh.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 16:02 GMT #1382 Epishade over the game has been town. There are a few reasons I view him as town, he has been trying to figure out the game, pushing reads and questions on people. The biggest thing for me that showed me he is town is that he reconsidered voting on me an took off his vote, as i explained in a previous post, is more indicative of town because if he were mafia here, he could have just kept his vote on me to push for a mislynch, because it is pretty obvious you are not changing your vote on me. Cause as you said, all of the data points straight at me. ( that was sarcasm by the way) You are obviously grasping at straws here. Don't give me the whole "you used 'could' instead of 'did'" bull crap. What i'm trying to do here is be objective . Yes. I think that is exactly what happened. But by being objective, im considering the possibility it didnt. Im looking at possible scenerios, ones that could make sense or do make sense. They are my thoughts on how you may have led your mafia team. But they are just thoughts. Doesnt mean i am right. I have no idea what you and the others discusse d in your qt. so saying me using could instead of did is you just trying to find a stupid reason to call me mafia. Yeah, no idea what occam's razor is, so im just going to ignore that. And yes, i believe there was extreme dissociation. Doing so basically puts you in a brighter light because of it. Fypov, you think the latter. Mpov its the previous.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 16:44 GMT #1384 Again with the occams razor crap. I don't care. It's only "sensible" because you are trying to make it sensible! It is very possible that you told drav and dfs to put more suspicion on you because there wasn't enough suspicion on you and someone might read into it, say, like me. So don't freaking tell me one is more "sensible" than the other. No screw that! It's nt a conspiracy. It's a play by mafia that can easily be done! I'm trying to find mafia here, and you are pushing things that have no matter, like the could-did crap. And i wasnt dancing around. You are only making it seem like I was dancing around. I specifically put exactly what I thought, and you tried to take it and make it something its not. Whether i used the word "could" or "did" does't matter!

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 17:13 GMT #1385 So i have about an hour left before I have to drive, and I won't be here for the end. If anyone needs to address me they need to do it now. I'll give my final defense in an hour if the consensus is still me, or if neither of you speak in that time. Then i'll leave ya'll to discuss. It's the best I can do.

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 17:48 GMT #1387 Final defense: Why i am town: I've been proactive throughout the game. I've led lynches where i felt they needed to be led, one of them on mafia. I've questioned reads, reconsidered positions, and also got a mislynch pulled off of meat and yellow. I was being read as town by the entire town. I have given logic behind my reads, given information on why I think epishade is town, and a bit why eden is mafia, including possible logical scenerios that could have taken place. Epishade, i still don't see how my quoting places where drav scum read me is not visible. It was well beyond day 1. Look at the time stamps. One of you is town, the other is mafia pushing a mislynch on me. If epishade is mafia here, which i dont think so, then gg, wp. You've just sat back laughing at two town fighting for two days. If eden is mafia and happens to convince epishade im mafia in the next couple of hours im gone, then well played. I commend you for fabulous effort, and find you quite the worthy opponent and looking forward to post game discussion. It was fun playing with you guys and a fun final 3 for my first forum game

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 21:30 GMT #1397 Just got to my hotel so gonna quickly read through things! Not sure how much time I have left! But please! Please!!! Whoever is town here DO NOT VOTE ME!!! I am town! I'll do anything and absolutely anything to defend myself to the death here!!!

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 21:48 GMT #1400 Okay i want to poit out something, i andwered your questions, eden, and you chose to ignore it! I said that the play of drav and dfs putting slight suspicion towards you towards the end was due to you telling them they needed to. Like i said, it was just a possible scenerio in my mind, they could have done it unintentionally or it could be a play. As for the sacrifice, no i dont think it was a play from the beginning. Hell, for all i know, they didnt even know you were going to push them in front of a bus. Maybe it just so happened to be that way. What i was saying os that with suspicion on you, if you get pynched, it buys them credibility as town, if they get lynched, it buys you credibility as town

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 21:51 GMT #1403 I am not the last mafia. I have not been mafia at all this game! Ive made y case as to why I am town, and epishade points out really great points on you as mafia, something I wish I had time to point out myself! (Stupid roadtrip)! I cannot stress how much voting on me would lose for town. If you have any lingering suspicion for eden being mafia, then vote him. If i still cant make you see that i am town, vote me. But i gave it my best with what i had! I honestly wasnt expecting to make it to final 3, and had no defense other than what my actions prove to me as being town. Good luck epi!

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 21:53 GMT #1406 I ignored the occams razor part because i state twice i had no idea what it meant. If you really wanted me to know, you could have explained it! But dont bring that bs up in here saying i ignored whatever you were talking about if i didnt know what the hell you are talking about

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:02 GMT #1419 Omg omg omg!!!! <3 if epishade was mafia i was gonna be sooo salty

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:03 GMT #1422 Very solid posting!!! And i thought i was gonna get lynched there!! Im sorry life got in the way at the end there. I would have felt super bad if i lost for town

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:07 GMT #1428 I agree i had nothing to do with the win of this game! It was all epishade!! Gg, wp!

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:18 GMT #1429 So, anybody have any advice on how I could have been more town towards the end? Disregarding the major afk i had to take?

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:23 GMT #1434 Yeah. Real life got in the way. Between finals, moving out of my dorm, working. I couldn't post as much as i was at the beginnig. And then me having to drive 8 hours for my cousin's graduation today didnt help either

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:25 GMT #1435 On May 17 2014 07:22 Epishade wrote: Oh hell yeah! Great job!

27ninjabunnies United States2486 Posts May 16 2014 22:30 GMT #1440 Yeah, ill post an overview of what I thought about my own play and such, things i know i need to work on, later when i get back to my hotel! Kinda hard to do it from a phone

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