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On April 04 2014 23:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok so I just read Amiko's filter. Its bad. Show nested quote +@tehpoofter: I know you are calling Balla a girl in those that post and I remember rereading another game where you did the same thing. Would you share your reasons for pretending to misunderstand his gender? Did it give you any reads or useful information in the other game? Totally useless and superfluous question that leads to no good answer. And he just keeps asking people to consider that Paper is scum due to the clearly not role related reversing. I dont understand why he has such strong feelings that Paper is doing it outside of his role makes him scummy. He never ever explains, just states it as fact. He also mentions Balla a fair bit but never gives a read on him which is really odd. yeah so basically both BH and Amiko want to lynch paper for not great reasons, marv's reason is the only good one. Man if he was here this would be so much easier. Fuckkkkkk.
@Oats: kitaman27 replicate his play in Dr. Who (ongoing) game and it was a focus of d1. Tehpoofter is in the same game, so I wanted to see if he was trying to make some deeper play.
About balla I was going to make a read based on where he went, then he subbed out. I don't really think BlazingHand can address why Balla proposed a random vote and give any meaningful information so I didn't bother pursuing it.
I think paperscraps is lying to town. Yes, town can lie to town. But, I think scum is more likely to lie to town.
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On April 05 2014 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 03:09 Amiko wrote:
@JAT
I feel Robik is unlikely to be town because he claimed to be immune to nightkills. If he is town, he should want mafia to target him to soak KP.
I feel Robik's claim was not joking for a few reasons, but among them it's because I feel he is a player who is reluctant to fakeclaim. Another reason: it feels more believable since kita also claimed to be immune to nightkills.
So, I feel he is 3p or scum, more likely 3p because I don't think scum would claim it so early.
I don't see why town would claim it at all. But why would scum/3rd party claim it?
- Mafia deter shots from themselves via this claim from vigis/3p. So, vigis shooting are more likely to hit town.
- 3p same thing; except they probably don't care who dies. (rayn's roleclaim suggested he needed some other 3p though)
- 3p indicates their alignment to prepare to joint win
By the way, pretty much everything I am saying about Robik also applies to kitaman27 and generally, I think.
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I tend to think he is immune because in the only scum game I read of Robik he considered fakeclaiming but then hesitated and ultimately didn't do so. I think that reflects some discomfort with fakeclaiming, so I don't think he is likely to do so d1 when he doesn't have to do so.
Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry.
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I didn't expect or intend a wagon to form when I voted on paperscraps; there was only one other vote on him at the time. I think that should be clear if you look at my posts - I wasn't pushing the paperscraps lynch, but I was pushing to get attention on him and to try to get responses. I don't believe his reverse-type claim, so it seems like a play for attention. But, when people question him he doesn't really respond, so it feels like he is just encouraging town to waste its time.
His posts feel random and he ignored the questions I asked him, so I think he's a good lynch if only because I feel he is lying and wasting time.
I feel pretty comfortable thinking Robik and Kitaman are third party roles for reasons I've laid out.
I'll try to read and respond to points made earlier, but since it takes a while to get through thread any direct questions would be great.
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(And yeah, they could be scum, but it seems clearer to me that killing 3p isn't very helpful in a heavily themed setup)
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@Holyflare:
I can't deny there's a chance he's scum, but I think he's 3p. From how my role works, I think I have the best chance if town/3p works together.
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I'm not willing to put my full role yet. It's something I'll consider, but I'll say this:
I am immune to night kills (though I might be able to die at night... I'm not entirely sure).
This is one of the reasons why I believed Robik's statement that he was immune, and similarly for kita's. I felt disclosing it was anti-town because if I kept quiet about it, I could potentially soak bullets.
However, I think town loses much from me admitting this, because if I'm a lynch candidate I probably won't be night killed (at least by mafia). You can potentially confirm this part of my claim if there's a vigi.
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EBWOP: I don't think town loses much
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I don't think pursuing paperscraps is scummy and it's weird to me that you think it is. The suggestion I've been somehow sure on paperscraps because I think he's lying is a misread of my posts. I do think he is the best lynch.
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On April 05 2014 08:37 justanothertownie wrote:
The problem is confirming that part doesn't confirm your alignment and we would be wasting a shot.
I suppose this is correct, but I do think it serves to confirm my intentions. If you look through filter, you can see that I focused on both
On April 05 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
are you claiming 3rd party, Amiko? answer this now pls
Respond to my post. I'll give you till :Idon'tcare. If you think my reasons make sense, then say it. If you don't, say that. I'll respond to you after that.
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@marv: We have an hour, I don't feel rushed. You have time to collect votes on me or move off of me.
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If you're set that's fine, but I'm glad to keep talking.
@people in thread
If I understand it, the main reason you are pushing on me is that I voted for paperscraps. Do you think the way that I voted for paperscraps reflects an intent to gather information or to push a lynch?
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Fine.
I'm 3p. I want to work with town.
I feel like I hinted at my alignment pretty consistently and practically claimed it anyway when I said I have a power similar to Robik & kita, who I also feel are 3p.
I think you could have used this push to get reads on some of the players pushing my lynch if you backed off the demand for an alignment claim and talked with each other. But, I guess I not in a position to criticize play in this game.
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I am usually reluctant to claim 3p because it means that I basically just have to do whatever town says the rest of the game.
Maybe that's good in this case since I am not very invested in the game.
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Yeah. But I don't benefit from seeming like the default lynch tomorrow. I have every interest in reducing mafia KP.
I'm not the lynch today, that much is obvious. But there are active players in thread and your only concern is my alignment when I'm not even the lynch today. It feels weak.
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On April 03 2014 08:58 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to remind the players that you may talk about what is in your role PM, but you may not directly quote it.
Modified survivor. My night action can be learning if a player has an item and taking it, if possible. I have a one shot that disables all item use and swaps items among players (1 for 1). I can protect myself at night (and no one else).
About the robik comment, I thought he was likely 3p and I figured he would notice that and assume I am also 3p from it, then send me something back to joint. But I don't blame him for giving it thread attention, it probably was a liability.
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I'll note I didn't have to post that, but I did it for the cred.
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On April 05 2014 09:04 Keirathi wrote:
The whole "Guarding the button" bit seemed genuine and like it maybe has something to do with his role?
It was fluff. :3
But I do think it's dumb that no one is willing to talk about the device.
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@Wave:
I don't think I have any incentive at all to use the 1-shot... ever. Maybe if you give me a bomb that will explode I will shuffle items 
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@holyflare
I actually was intending to visit his item tonight to take the item because I don't believe it reverses text.
Plus, if we all lynch paper, then the item will go to a random person who lynched him which I think would be hilarious.
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