Cell Mini Mafia

On April 02 2014 03:57 Koshi wrote:

I don't understand this. Explain the not happy face.

On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:


I more or less agree with this.

On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?

~rayn

On April 02 2014 04:57 prplhz wrote:

move on too what?

On April 02 2014 04:24 mderg wrote:


Everything but Cell 4 going first, since I don´t know that much about the players in this game. This also answers the second question... I don´t know enough about the players to call any of them unreadable but I hope this changes as day1 progresses.

On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it.
You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever).

But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.

~rayn

On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.

~rayn

On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game.
Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people.

There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful.

~rayn

On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow.

On April 02 2014 06:12 prplhz wrote:

he can still contribute early game without him being up for lynch?

On April 03 2014 01:03 mderg wrote:


raynpelikonoshi - likely town
pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe


gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"

Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling

On April 03 2014 01:10 mderg wrote:

You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.


I´m leaning towards Tehpoofter mostly because he tells about the perfect scum strategy and then continues to play exactly opposite to that. This seems a bit too good.

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.

On April 03 2014 01:16 mderg wrote:



We seem to have a different take on going all out, then

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.

On April 03 2014 01:25 mderg wrote:


There was already quite some pressure on you, though(still much less than now). So hypothetically defending me could give you town points when I flip green. Or I would be an easy kill, if you get lynched on day1.

On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:

I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn

On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:

I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.

On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote:

town
Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch

On April 03 2014 04:42 mderg wrote:

It should be:
You don't think there´s any reason for steve being scared as mafia
steve looks townie

You think my switch has no reason behind it
I look scummy

Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.

This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.

I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.

I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.

gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"

Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.

You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.

We seem to have a different take on going all out, then

On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote:

regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.


Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.



Regarding my steveling defense timings:
first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true.
Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason

On April 03 2014 19:57 mderg wrote:
##unvote

forgot to do that yesterday. I can´t trust rayn with that right now, if he does things based on strange logic.
After thinking it through I don´t think he´s scum for his switch, though. It´s way too far fetched to think scum would really benefit from that. I narrowed down my view too much in the heat of the moment.


Holyflare, which cell do you want to be up first?

On April 03 2014 20:11 mderg wrote:

That seems to be bad reason... is there any real tell town could make based on my flip?

On April 03 2014 20:31 mderg wrote:
I think you are scum and just trying to get a fast and easy lynch on one player in your cell (me).
First you point me out as certain scum like 4 hours into the game. After that almost every suspicion or calling people out was strongly related to me (gumshoe defended me concerning my wagon, I defended steveling). You didn´t really push any other cases, mainly focused on people with a connection to the case on me.
So I thought I´d ask you which cell you want to be up first to reinforce my suspicion. You answered exactly like I thought you would by searching for a fast and easy misslynch on me.
Right now the only real reads to be made on me flipping town would be regarding cell1 which has been in chaos the whole game. Not much for the other scum to fear.


That´s my take on you right now, Holyflare

On April 03 2014 20:45 mderg wrote:
rayn is difficult to read right now. I think it´s very well possible that he is scum (He would make the most sense to be scum in that cell, if my take on Holyflare is correct).

I thought balla looked pretty townie at the start but he mostly kept himself out of the fight between gumshoe and ryan as well as the steveling case. Almost like he wanted to stay out of trouble. He also had quite some interest in cell 2.
So I´m leaning slightly towards scum on him.

That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.

On April 04 2014 07:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

so any smart sounding opinion on Sentinel?

On April 04 2014 08:06 mderg wrote:
Something I noticed rereading sentinels filter:







Pretty inconsistent play by sentinel, if you ask me. Why would you want a cell you have figured out to be up early on, if you think unreadable cells should go first?

On April 04 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:

well stones, glass houses.

But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game.

Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position.

On April 04 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:


Yes but if your entire early case was based on him not doing anything useful, I just don't feel like you gave him a clean slate to start with when he came back to the thread, when you should have done that if you actually believed your own case. I know you mentioned him.

On April 06 2014 00:01 mderg wrote:
Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours.
I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home.


right now:
getmoript - strong townread
prplhz - slight townread
Cephiro - slight scumread

On April 06 2014 06:34 mderg wrote:

I already said that I would post my exact thoughts later on, I just had to leave really fast.





getmoript: (I know it´s a hydra, it just sounds strange to use they, so I´ll say he)
At the start he actually seems kinda scummy, wanting to policy lynch Holyflare. Also lynching Palmar just to be sure his reads are legit is sacrificing too much. He´s also incredibly focused on becoming mayor and insanely confident. All this doesn´t seem like townie behavior at all




What actually makes me think that getmoript is town is the decline in confidence. The reads (especially on cell 1) change really often. The only really consistent read is scum on prplhz.

Posts like this don´t really show the confidence that was there early on.

This looks like he thought it would be easy to figure the game out and scum were obvious finds. But as the game goes on the reads often change and it looks like they are based on rereading filters, rethinking other options and including new input.
Overall I just get this really townie vibe about getmoript as his thoughts about the game are progressing.



prplhz:
Looks scummy at the start because of the heavy focus on the cell order and wanting to lynch unreadables first (I agreed with him back then but that was stupid). It also seems like he´s nitpicking and sometimes focusing on small details like single words which just aren´t chosen carefully (this may just be my flawed perception).
He gets town points for not wanting palmar as first lynch just to know his reads were legit. He´s also pushing others to give their opinions and reads like here:


In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible.
What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe.



Cephiro:
basically he only posted two huge walls of text. That in itself doesn´t tell much about his alignment but he certainly didn´t put much effort into this game. He´s saying that he doesn´t like the people discussing the orders in which order the cells should be lynched.

He himself is also discussing the lynch order, though.

The major difference being that he´s discussing it as direct responses to posts where the order is discussed.

He´s very focused on emphasizing the importance of getting reads from everyone, especially those who´ll be lynched first but he provides almost no reads himself. Like he is just repeating what he knows is good townplay without actually doing it himself.
It seems like he tried to stay under the radar in his cell while getmoript and prplhz are fighting each other and hoping one of them gets lynched in the process.

On April 06 2014 09:36 getmoript wrote:
Hell did you see how many times his reads changed at the end. Like his first list of scumreads had both Ceph and me as scum. Like WTF. Then when you read that post it's even more full of total WTF. I don't think Sent is great as town, but I refuse to believe that he is that incapable or stupid as town. Like that's not in his game. Generally, when it comes between Dumb or Scum it's often more correct to assume the latter than the former.

On April 08 2014 01:43 mderg wrote:
Cephiro actually doing anything this game would make this much easier...

On April 08 2014 02:03 mderg wrote:

Problem with him lurking is that we can only read prp (getmoript doesn´t seem like an option). And once you look scummy the only way to defend yourself would be to prove you being town, since you can´t prove cephiro being scum.

Can´t be sure about slam since I have no idea what he is thinking at all.
Actually there is one reason I can see why scum wouldn´t jump on prp but it´s pure meta and I want to see the flip before mentioning it, so scum can´t play based on that "knowledge".

More than poof being scum I can only really see holy as town right now.

On April 08 2014 02:23 mderg wrote:

I have a hard time responding to the bolded part because I´m not sure which part of my post you´re referring to.

I know most lurkers are town. It´s just that in this particular scenario lurking could help him, if he was scum. He also could´ve meta´ed the shit out of us by going against what should be good in the meta. Lurking alone is never a clear tell as either town or scum.

I will definitely reread holys filter. Maybe I can catch something.