On April 03 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote: like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history.
Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot.
On April 03 2014 00:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say.
In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all.
Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts.
It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town!
~rayn
He completley read the thread last game as scum 0_0 only becoming useless when Marv smashed him, also in Pyp he didnt fucking read at all (was super chill all game) and said as much himself this very game, he played totally lax and carefree. Wtf are you smoking?
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.
Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD
Why though?
Ok here's something.
Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.
Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.
Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.
I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.
Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.
The bolded is the important part.
If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread.
screw it, you have to be scum.
Also, I told you I found Rayn actions inconclusive at the time / : and I didn't bother him about his answers, so clearly I did find him townie until he went all Witchcraft on me before hearing a word from Steve. I dont see your point.
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.
Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD
Why though?
Ok here's something.
Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.
Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.
Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.
I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.
Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.
The bolded is the important part.
If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread.
screw it, you have to be scum.
Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly
You know this how? Because i don't.
##Vote: gumshoe
and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / :
THIS POST IS TOTALLY FALSE!!! 100% FALSE AND A STRAIGHT OUT LIE! Here is what happened (compare especially the bolded parts).
I thought gumshoe scumslipped and i thought other people will see that too. I called him out instantly in thread so that i will look better when he flips (i assumed he will flip 100%). gumshoe didn't in fact scumslip, i had misread his post. We talked about the situation in Teamspeak and decided that we argue about it for a while because it will end up both of us looking better, or at least not worse. We did so.
Second bolded part: So jumping on inconsistancies IS BY YOUR OWN WORDS A NULL-TELL on me! Yet you call me scum for it in this game.
hahahahahah!! lynch the fuck outta this scum!
~rayn
WTF , how does wether or not I scum slipped matter? Point is you THOUGHT I fucking scum slipped and jumped on me you opportunistic piece of shit. Because thats what you do as scum, you leap on anything and everything so you look best no matter how it pans out.
FUCKING SHIT GUMSHOE YOU JUST CLAIMED SCUM IN THREAD. saFMGDANMgfdsajh
Followed up by an immediate vote on me, all our after game laughter and resolution has nothing to do with this one beatiful moment, where you reveal just how on edge you are when you play scum and how you feel the need to pounce.
You've done it to me, Geript, Mdern, and you will keep doing it right until the moment we lynch your scummy butt.
On April 03 2014 00:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like i am not going to talk anything about gumshoe in this game any more. He is confirmed mafia because this is so retarded he can't be town.
I hope you people see that and are not dumb.
~rayn
LOL, I'm always willing to talk to you Rayn XD and dont worry, youll be back as soon as people stop buying your crap.
On April 03 2014 00:38 gumshoe wrote: And thats what youve done this game, not once considering that I'm a town / : leaping on everything I say you hyena.
BECAUSE YOU DO MAFIA THINGS! DO YOU UNDERSTAND MAFIA PEOPLE DO MAFIA THINGS! YOU CAN'T CALL ME MAFIA FOR CALLING OUT YOUR MAFIA THINGS BECAUSE YOU DO THEM!
If you do them as town you are bad. But it's more likely you do them as mafia because mafia does mafia things and town does townie things!!!!
You literally agree you do scummy stuff, then you call me mafia because i tell people you do scummy stuff. That's the most retarded logic i have ever heard, it's mafia logic. Because you have no real arguments.
~rayn
How is lying to get info scummy? How is withholding info from a guy whose 50 percent scum scummy?
Every game were town together, you find this shit I do townie. Because you get me Rayn ( : your my bro. Sadly your not my bro this game, and I have acted accordingly.The fact that your not even remotely considering I'm town this game because of that same behaviour you usually find townie shows that your hand is forced, you cant help but call everything I do scummy.
Also its not mafia logic, it's Geript logic XD and hes usually town when he uses it.
On April 03 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote: like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history.
Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot.
So you admit this is fucking retarded. Rayn ignores it because it's fucking retarded and then he comes back and thinks. Why is gumshoe being so fucking retarded? So then rayn is scum
... Do you realise how stupid that sounds? Especially as you said rayn is super sharp as scum. If he was scum this game why didn't he just jump on you straight away instead of coming back after thinking?
No, I found Rayn townie or at least null for his reaction. When he came after me I told him the truth figuring hed understand "oh , its just fucking Gumshoe, what can ya do" he is exceptional at reading me this way. The last 3 town games weve played together he was pretty sure of my alignment from the start because I played like this, yet here he finds that same behaviour scummy, In a similar manner to another game where he framed me as well for playing exactly the same. Whats dumb about this?
Explain to me why scum would lie to get information? What does that get them? Why antagonize a cell mate like that?
On April 03 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: Can I direct you guys away from this debate for now? Enough is enough. What are your thoughts about the mayor?
I like Geript for mayor, the way Rayn went after him early on gives me good vibes and I think hes pretty confident. Hes pretty much the only great player I trust at the moment. I also wouldnt mind voting you.
On April 03 2014 00:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was asked what will happen in case of a modkill. If it's early in the game, I will replace that player. If it's later in the game, the slot will be removed from the game without flip. A no lynch option will be available for the day that slot would be up for lynch.
On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active". I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.
~rayn
0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.
Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?
So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum. stop already. rofl.
~rayn
No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am.
No you are saying you did something scummy and i am scum because i called you out for your scummy shit and on top of that you can't even reasonable explain it. But that doesn't make you look scummy at all, no, it makes me look scummy in your opinion.
hilarious
~rayn
Thats another point entirely, this point is that scum is active, you deny this, but it's pretty much true, we are dealing with an active scum team, my conflict with Rayn is testament to this
I mean, my cell is pretty much the most transparent, we havent heard enough from sent or coag to vote Plamar, I dont trust Holy as far I can throw him and no other group has been open enough for a confident vote (except Geript's maybe) why not vote steve? Does a single person here think hes scum?
On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote: Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor?
I don't see the point.
-Koshi-
The point is, I know your scum and I dont want you to get elected, so I am forcing your hand by proposing you vote for someone we both know is town, has a good head on his shoulders and not a single person has an issue with. That transparent enough for you?
On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read: raynpelikonoshi gumshoe Steveling
raynpelikonoshi - likely town pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
Why would I go all out to defend you if I'm scum? Are you an idiot? What do I gain? And of course I'm focused on Rayn, I know hes scum and hes leading town by the hand, wouldnt you be attacking him if you knew that too? That also hasnt stopped me from going after Holy and others, who do you think is scum in your cell
On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.
##unvote ##vote: raynpelikonoshi
So you care more about your own selfish posturing than voting for someone you should KNOW is town?
On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote: Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor?
I don't see the point.
-Koshi-
The point is, I know your scum and I dont want you to get elected, so I am forcing your hand by proposing you vote for someone we both know is town, has a good head on his shoulders and not a single person has an issue with. That transparent enough for you?
I know you meant to that. I simply don't see the point in cooperating with somebody with 0 power that is seen as scum by the majority of the thread.
I am getting major or it will be somebody else that I like. I don't need your help on this.
If your town what do you care so long as towns elected? Guys, Rayn is scum right here, this is scum, both his heads are sweating because hes losing his grasp on the election.
On April 03 2014 01:08 Steveling wrote: I read your mayor post raynkoshi. Honestly you are probably my most town read so I don't have a problem.
As for me I don't have a clue about mayor'ing and stuff. Do we want scum or town mayor in this setup?
Scum want to be mayor and I dont want scum to get what they want, therefore we want a town mayor and I want you to be that mayor.
Steve, this thread has 5 scum and you are the only person who has even considered Im town, on paper there is a 50 percent chance Rayn is scum to you, look at my scum games, I dont try this hard, I dont have it in me. I swear on my life I am town. Rayn CAN play this well, I'm sorry that I'm not as good as him ) : but I am trying my best.
On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read: raynpelikonoshi gumshoe Steveling
raynpelikonoshi - likely town pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe
gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
Why would I go all out to defend you if I'm scum? Are you an idiot? What do I gain? And of course I'm focused on Rayn, I know hes scum and hes leading town by the hand, wouldnt you be attacking him if you knew that too? That also hasnt stopped me from going after Holy and others, who do you think is scum in your cell
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
I´m leaning towards Tehpoofter mostly because he tells about the perfect scum strategy and then continues to play exactly opposite to that. This seems a bit too good.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.