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On April 03 2014 23:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi. This part is quite funny. Let's see: Sentinel - okay maybe makes sense, but if Sentinel was not at least leaning town on me he is lying Slam - thinks i am town LSB - If was not leaning town on me lying (but tbf steve can't know why) poofer - had me as town Balla - thought i was town So, in fact all of those people were at least leaning town on me. If any of those people wants to disagree with this we got an argument.  ~rayn
You forgot me there, I´m pretty sure I was also heavily leaning town on you.
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##vote: raynpelikonoshi
I don´t really like this but it is definetely better than Holyflare, since he didn´t even give a cell order. It´s suspicious that he´s saying he will follow town consensus but doesn´t even talk about the cell order.
LSB: I don´t like this focus on lynching inactives first. Ofc it´s bad, if mostly inactives remain at the end but it´s even worse, if we blindly lynch into inactives and get 2 misslynches
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On April 04 2014 06:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Everybody ok with this order?
3 1 4 5 2?
I´d like 5 and 2 to be switched
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On April 04 2014 07:32 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 07:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 04 2014 07:27 getmoript wrote:
#vote coag
Who cares what his alignment is. so any smart sounding opinion on Sentinel? Yes. He's put forth more effort than Coag.
You want to lynch him for not putting in much effort?
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Something I noticed rereading sentinels filter:
I'm in agreement with prplhz's idea to get rid of unreadable players first because it allows more information for later days in the game. So get rid of 3/4, which I consider unreadable. Or I guess if I'm the one specifically making the reads from my position in group 3, then 4.
I feel like I have Cell 1 especially figured out the most.
I'm fine w/ 3 and I don't mind 1 being early as well because like LSB said it's a good jumping-off point for moving the discussion later on
Pretty inconsistent play by sentinel, if you ask me. Why would you want a cell you have figured out to be up early on, if you think unreadable cells should go first?
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On April 04 2014 11:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 08:06 mderg wrote:Something I noticed rereading sentinels filter: I'm in agreement with prplhz's idea to get rid of unreadable players first because it allows more information for later days in the game. So get rid of 3/4, which I consider unreadable. Or I guess if I'm the one specifically making the reads from my position in group 3, then 4. I feel like I have Cell 1 especially figured out the most. I'm fine w/ 3 and I don't mind 1 being early as well because like LSB said it's a good jumping-off point for moving the discussion later on Pretty inconsistent play by sentinel, if you ask me. Why would you want a cell you have figured out to be up early on, if you think unreadable cells should go first? You realize my cell is first? I'd rather get my honest thoughts out while I'm still alive, and then it won't be swept under the rug by the time Cell 1 is first. Furthermore, where are your timestamps? Why did you not use the quote button? I like arguments that properly cite their sources. First quote: April 01 2014 20:30 GMT (+00:00) (first hour of Day 1) Second quote: April 03 2014 21:59 GMT (+00:00) (1 hour before end of Day 1) Third quote: April 03 2014 22:29 GMT (+00:00) (30 minutes before end of Day 1) You're telling me I can't change my mind in 48 hours, especially as people give insight/reasoning about the setup and help me think in different ways?
I must admit I didn´t look at the times of your posts. Changes quite a lot.
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On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote:
Um, whatever, I guess?
Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first?
Anyone here?
I am here.
I would 100% want to lynch coag in a normal game but I´m not completely sure about this here.
Sentinel looks pretty neutral to me. My point about his inconsistency looks kinda stupid now.
Palmar seems pretty town right now. I can´t read him perfectly but I can´t see anything scummy from him and everybody seems to read him as town.
Right now I´d go with coag because he did nothing that would indicate him being town. He did almost nothing in general, though. So there´s nothing that´s comfirming him as scum.
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On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling
Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg
Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation
Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam
Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro
this is where i'm at right now
I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this.
You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2.
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On April 04 2014 20:57 Coagulation wrote:
steveling,
Sentinel is scummy as town. Pure meta. Haven't read a single post of his. But I have played several games with him and he is very often thought to be scummy for his aloof play. Objectively, that alone makes him more likely to be town.
Plus the unlikelihood of a bus needs to be considered. Rayn is not a lynch bait player, which makes him less likely to be bussed. Also Sentinel is not a heavy buser as scum (metaread).
Also, busing is down trending. Everyone expects scum to bus now, so it has lost its effectiveness. It has become a better play to defend your scum team instead.
Read his posts, if you want to contribute! It would be appreciated, if you can make a proper read based on what sentinel has posted.
If busing is not scummy because it´s bad scumplay, it´s also possible to bus without much risk as scum... since nobody expects it.
Regarding Holyflare: I don´t think he is scum anymore. His reads on cell 1 (especially how they changed) don´t make sense as scum. That points to him being town.
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On April 04 2014 21:23 Coagulation wrote:
My read is proper. It's a lot more proper than yours,
"his reads don't make sense as scum"
so vague.
His reads don´t make sense as scum because he thought of every player in cell 1 as scum throughout the game. First gumshoe then steve and now rayn. How would that make sense as scum?
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On April 04 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:On April 04 2014 23:45 Coagulation wrote:On April 04 2014 23:41 Holyflare wrote:On April 04 2014 23:18 Coagulation wrote:
seems like you didn't care long before those things happened. Yes because b has been true the entire game. Regardless of if we killed scum or not. I honestly don't care. I would play harder if i was scum and that were the case. Just like hogwarts where half my team died and i did the same or survivor where all my team was afk or culture where i killed my entire team and still played It's pretty simple that i just don't care and am town and here he is trying to make it seem like not giving a shit makes him town. well stones, glass houses. But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game. Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position. This is also 1000% a lie because i was the only persob who did mention mdergs return. It was crazy suspiciois because he made 0 mention of the wagon on himself and instead talked about how gumshoe was null and steve was town and nothing else. He then later mentions scum was on his wagon without mentioning his wagon at any point previously and we know rayn was on it sooooooo
I didn´t say gumshoe was null, I said I was leaning scum on him. I also didn´t call steve town in that post.
I also didn´t say there´s definetely scum on my bandwagon, it´s just unlikely that there wasn´t scum on it considering the amount of scum in this game
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On April 05 2014 00:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:On April 04 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On April 04 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:On April 04 2014 23:45 Coagulation wrote:On April 04 2014 23:41 Holyflare wrote:On April 04 2014 23:18 Coagulation wrote:
seems like you didn't care long before those things happened. Yes because b has been true the entire game. Regardless of if we killed scum or not. I honestly don't care. I would play harder if i was scum and that were the case. Just like hogwarts where half my team died and i did the same or survivor where all my team was afk or culture where i killed my entire team and still played It's pretty simple that i just don't care and am town and here he is trying to make it seem like not giving a shit makes him town. well stones, glass houses. But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game. Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position. This is also 1000% a lie because i was the only persob who did mention mdergs return. It was crazy suspiciois because he made 0 mention of the wagon on himself and instead talked about how gumshoe was null and steve was town and nothing else. He then later mentions scum was on his wagon without mentioning his wagon at any point previously and we know rayn was on it sooooooo Yes but if your entire early case was based on him not doing anything useful, I just don't feel like you gave him a clean slate to start with when he came back to the thread, when you should have done that if you actually believed your own case. I know you mentioned him. I did give him a clean slate until he started mentioning things that went against everything that was happening and was super counterintuitive and when he started mentioning information he couldn't possible know about. Which becomes more evident with rayn being scum.
that never happened!
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You´re narrowing down your view way too much, gum. Like everything you say is about that one theory you have. If you look at sentinel and coag you can also see connections. I mean, if sentinel flips scum, steve is most likely town. If coag flips scum Holyflare is pretty likely to be town. So tehpoofter would most likely be scum.
Just saying, the information to get out of a sentinel or coag lynch is definetely there. It would probably clear up more than a palmar lynch.
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After reading the last 5 pages or so I honestly have no idea what´s happening right now...
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My take right now:
Coag hasn´t done anything to help town really. Almost everything he posted had some meta reasoning. I don´t see how palmar can look scummier than coag. The only reason I´d not lynch coag is to 100% know sentinels alignment but right now it would be pretty clear after knowing coags.
##vote:Coagulation
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So much happening this night here... If it stays like this, I´m gonna assume coag is scum. If he´s not scum, it´s probably sentinel which would make me think that rayn was scum.
going through cell 5 filters now since there´s nothing happening in cell 3.
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Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours.
I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home.
right now:
getmoript - strong townread
prplhz - slight townread
Cephiro - slight scumread
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On April 06 2014 00:08 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:01 mderg wrote:
Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours.
I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home.
right now:
getmoript - strong townread
prplhz - slight townread
Cephiro - slight scumread Can you explain how you ended up at these conclusions plz?
I already said that I would post my exact thoughts later on, I just had to leave really fast.
getmoript: (I know it´s a hydra, it just sounds strange to use they, so I´ll say he)
At the start he actually seems kinda scummy, wanting to policy lynch Holyflare. Also lynching Palmar just to be sure his reads are legit is sacrificing too much. He´s also incredibly focused on becoming mayor and insanely confident. All this doesn´t seem like townie behavior at all
On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote:
Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town.
2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor.
On April 02 2014 05:23 getmoript wrote:
I 100% think I can nail scum in the first two groups but I'm also realistic that there's a good chance for mislynching in those first two as well.
What actually makes me think that getmoript is town is the decline in confidence. The reads (especially on cell 1) change really often. The only really consistent read is scum on prplhz.
On April 04 2014 09:35 getmoript wrote:
Actually I've thought about it. I still think Rayn is scum here. My instinct says he's scum with Palmer/HF, but quite frankly if they're scum, they've played a fine game and this is information that we shouldn't have. So I'm striking this off of any accusation I see and holding it against anyone who uses it. We rate and vote for people based only and solely on their merits. If they beat us, they beat us.
Posts like this don´t really show the confidence that was there early on.
This looks like he thought it would be easy to figure the game out and scum were obvious finds. But as the game goes on the reads often change and it looks like they are based on rereading filters, rethinking other options and including new input.
Overall I just get this really townie vibe about getmoript as his thoughts about the game are progressing.
prplhz:
Looks scummy at the start because of the heavy focus on the cell order and wanting to lynch unreadables first (I agreed with him back then but that was stupid). It also seems like he´s nitpicking and sometimes focusing on small details like single words which just aren´t chosen carefully (this may just be my flawed perception).
He gets town points for not wanting palmar as first lynch just to know his reads were legit. He´s also pushing others to give their opinions and reads like here:
On April 03 2014 18:56 prplhz wrote:
@palmar who you voting for mayor?
On April 03 2014 23:28 prplhz wrote:
okay
what's your read on me flare?
In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible.
What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe.
Cephiro:
basically he only posted two huge walls of text. That in itself doesn´t tell much about his alignment but he certainly didn´t put much effort into this game. He´s saying that he doesn´t like the people discussing the orders in which order the cells should be lynched.
On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
General note: Not liking the people who are talking about which order we should lynch the cells in at the start of the game, such as Sentinel.
He himself is also discussing the lynch order, though.
On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
Fairly interesting post by LSB, his first post with a clear agenda. While I personally like the idea of being able to cut off the inactives players to start with, once the initial order is decided it cannot be changed. I don't think that the first 48 hours will necessarily tell us enough as for the players activities, and if we have lynch targets for reasons other than inactivity, we should go for those first in my opinion.
The major difference being that he´s discussing it as direct responses to posts where the order is discussed.
He´s very focused on emphasizing the importance of getting reads from everyone, especially those who´ll be lynched first but he provides almost no reads himself. Like he is just repeating what he knows is good townplay without actually doing it himself.
It seems like he tried to stay under the radar in his cell while getmoript and prplhz are fighting each other and hoping one of them gets lynched in the process.
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On April 06 2014 06:37 prplhz wrote:
@mderg what do you think of kush's contribution to the coag/kush hydra?
Honestly, not much. It was pretty much all meta. Not really considering what´s actually happening in this game.
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