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On April 02 2014 19:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote:
Can't argue with that.
Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same?
And what do you think about me? I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out  Quite certain of it.
Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"?
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On April 02 2014 19:16 Steveling wrote:
Ok now Palmar is just fos'ing me cause I gave him scumpoints.
Pls chill, palmar why don't you pick a cellmate of yours and filter him and post the results here? Contribute pls.
Hang on, I'll be right back with your order!
On April 02 2014 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
hi
-coag
Alright, done.
results: not enough data.
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you're not allowed to edit your posts steve
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Vote me for mayor to prove your loyalty steve.
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@rayn you need to answer my question about Steve.
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On April 02 2014 19:18 Steveling wrote:
Oh sry, it was just a ''you'' to ''of'', just a typo.
I'm pretty sure this is the truth, so I don't think it matters. I think I saw the post unedited and I didn't notice much of a change.
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On April 02 2014 19:25 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Am i reading correctly that gumshoe's case on me is:
1) i lied to rayn in another game and he lynched me. he was mafia and because i do the same thing here he also must be mafia here
2) He does not consider Steveling mafia and he should because of probabilities
????
Well here are my answers:
1) Your heuristic is bad. If you do scummy stuff you are more likely to be scum. Some other game has nothing to do with this. You lied in a place where no townie should lie, it does not achieve anything and you clearye were not even trying to achieve anything. You can't just say "i must be town because i have done a similar thing in another game". If that was the case mafia would be an easy game to play as scum, just copy paste your posts from your townie games.
2) I should not. I know one of you two is mafia. If i am sure you are mafia i don't need to consider Steveling being mafia. I don't need to weigh any probabilities, if you are scum then you are scum and my read on Steveling has nothing to do with it. You can't brush off my case (which you btw didn't even answer) just because "Steveling hasn't talked". Steveling talking or not talking has nothing to do if you are mafia or not.
~rayn
wait when did the bolded happen?
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I don't think gumshoe talked about having a particular townread on steveling, his 10% figure was based on thinking you're scum rayn, not because he thinks steve is town.
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On April 02 2014 19:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post?
You didn't quote anything. I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts.
Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game?
Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg
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Right so when you say "he" you mean from gumshoe's pov, ie: rayn = he.
Ok.
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On April 02 2014 19:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:46 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post?
You didn't quote anything. I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts. Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game? Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg Like every post of his shows he's developed a thinking over time of who could be scum and why and pointing out things that don't add up. Now look at his posts this game, not really the same at all. There's 1 liners galore, policy posts that don't really add to anything and then the defence of another player based on nothing.
I wouldn't be asking you for pointing out the posts you think indicate this unless I wanted you to actually point them out. Can you do that? Even if it's just one post with good insight that you consider good enough to verify your theory.
Generic answers bad.
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No you can have him when I'm done rayn.
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.
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On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn
Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff.
To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game.
Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?
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On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. Stop wasting my time on obvious shit. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation. Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies.
You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.
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Like the only way your theory holds any water is if you strongly believe mderg would just lurk as town, and is instead choosing to comment on random things as mafia. Him being able to draw conclusions when there's been talk in the thread and time to read does in no way mean that he is able to draw conclusions based on the initial flurry of posting.
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On April 02 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 20:51 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff. To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game. Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning? I mention his post on you which is his first post in the game. It is also not a random game, it's the one lsb linked.
Ok, maybe LSB found the game, but the point remains.
Even his first post is like 24 hours into the game.
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On April 02 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. Stop wasting my time on obvious shit. On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation. Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies. You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes. That's the point. Point out to me something that indicates a thought process is forming rather than him talking about policy or randomly defending Steve?
Point out something in the other game within 12 hours of the game starting that indicates he's forming a thought process.
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I'm not saying he can't be scum btw, I'm saying it's ridiculous for you to call him one based on meta you know is not worth anything.
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On April 02 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare still waiting for you to provide his meta filter parts that made you think he's a quality mafia player.
I think he did that, but the problem is he's talking about shit that happened days into the game and using it to prove mderg is mafia in the first 3 hours of the game.
It's bullshit.
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On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.
That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.
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