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On April 04 2014 13:25 Alakaslam wrote: Wait When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam? Seriusly? Your his only scum read. lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town | ||
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Why cant he just be Coag? | ||
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On April 04 2014 13:38 Alakaslam wrote: Coag is no fool And he isn't Rayn's bithc either. He know though this Alakaslam ez LHF So ez push ez win But Town he knows probabilities not like this. He would simply be hush, in setup like tgis Also, as a CHUPAZI of OMGUS, he flies above, dropping the turdz*, & stuff. He dropped a turd with the "policy lynch"- he knows the setup he knows you don't policy here Dasrite folks he call us the fools he does You are a wonderful human bieng Slam :D please keep talking, any other reads on stuff? Do you think theres a chance Rayn is town? | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:16 Palmar wrote: rayn doesn't have to be scum. Seriously why are you even playing this game, you're just assuming some random bullshit to be true. Steve is "modconfirmed" for saying "sorry mods" in the thread. And rayn claims scum and then town and thus he's mafia. No he doesnt have to be, but the claim itself in conjunction with his rage at me indicates the first bit was true, alchohol lowers inhibitions far more than it turns us into liars / : most likely scenario is that he was really pissed at me for what I did (id like to note here only two people should be pissed at me for that whole scenario, steve, because I turned him into the lynch target and scum. The vast majority considered me null because they thought it was possible I could be lying, whereas scum were like "wtf, thats so cheap, how do I reject that without looking scummy?!") then some part of him realized hed fucked up and backtracked. This is far and away the most likely scenario and I find it really strange how hard your clinging to the notion that what he did was null / : Could he still be town? Sure, is it far more likely hes scum? YES, so we should use all the information at our disposal, is that not what town Rayn would want us to do XD I'm less certain about sent, he did attack Rayn once, but this post is just so godamm soft XD, its hard to at a glance understand what he thinks of Rayn and shortly after he abandons this train of thought to go after Steve T_T A general impression from a quick skim of the 13 pages of roshi's filter: If I had to distinguish between town rayn and scum rayn, is that rayn plays scum like CNN - seemingly factual, but carefully omitting anything that doesn't support it, and shifting away the attention before anyone starts asking "why?" The case on gumshoe seems a bit myopic but legitimate, something I'd see coming from yamato more than rayn. Sure it's very detailed and sourced but it's almost to the point where rayn's letting his frustration with gum lead his argument instead of the other way around. More Fox than CNN. So we have a guy who is totally wrong and clinging to a sinking ship, a dude whose been a bit bouncy with his reads and the one time he did hit upon rayn it was in a very soft manner (a bit before he pushed onto steve) and Coag. Yaaaay cell 1 | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:50 Palmar wrote: You have no idea if I'm wrong or not unless you're mafia. wtf are you talking about palmar, no I dont know for bloody certain, but when does anyone know anything for certain in this game except scum?! We make pushes by reading into people and wondering why they do the things they do, I havent just said his claim makes him scum, I have also provided reasoning for why it does. As I would with any opinion of mine. Having no 100 precent idea of something doesnt mean we should just sit on our asses and not read into what Rayn did. Btw Palmar no offence, I do look up to you : P and legit think your damm good at this game despite what bits of mean I've thrown your way, but are you getting as annoyed by my posts as I am of yours? Just curios XD | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:57 Holyflare wrote: and then the fact that he goes into my filter as 100% confirmed scum and picks out random bits of it to say nothing like he's won some kind of jackpot One thing we can say for certain is your not scum together XD so if Palmar were to flip red you'd be clear most likely. You could also both be town / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: I don't think I made a mistake Palmar but I'm now reading my post again. I'll apologise if I did. Gumshoe hi, speak pls, we need more opinions. We are probs town so we should no lynch. I have claimed that alchohol makes us more likely to tell truths (it is an inhibitor lowerer) and Rayns anger at me indicates hes scum (only scum and you were likely to be angry, you because you became directly impacted, scum because they saw what I did as unfair) Rayn got pissed at the order or something, claimed, realized he fucked up and thats that. Reading the filters a few things came to mind, Rayns convo with sent does not read as scum on scum I am maybe leaning Sentinel being scum over Coag. Sentinel made all-over-nothing posts on our group and wasted a lot of time and didn't come to any conclusion And everything Sentinel says is bleeding town? / : check it out for youself, wanna hear what you think about it. On the other hand, raynkoshi seems suprisingly warm twoards Coag, yet it feels like Coag's lynch is an almost forgone conclusion in his eyes. I am somewhat sad that coag is not playing and we need to lynch into that first but w.e. Palmar his responsibility. Like can you just play the game and deduct Coag is scum from Sentinel and Palmar their filter instead of going for a policy lynch? It's lame that because rayn thinks you are scum you refuse to give opinions on sentinel and Palmar and just policy lynch Coag Like, if Coag is scum, I dont see Koshi so blatantly being reluctant to lynch him / : and yet be effectively resolved to still do so. Heres a list of scum he offered in the midst of his turmoil Steveling (only trying to win his group currently) alakaslam (trust rayn) geript (imo not good reads, cav shares them and I don't understand why) Coag (Other 2 town) Read for youself, but it seems like hes prepping for a green flip on Coag / : which leaves the captain of a sinking ship.... | ||
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In the early stages of the game, Rayn was certain me and Geript were scum BEFORE really hearing out our teamates. Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game. Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people. There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful. At this point in time Cephiro (Geripts cell mate ) had not actually posted / : Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz This is on me and similarly at this point in time Steve has not posted. So clearly Rayn is willing to make reads despite hearing a whole cell out right? Welp, thats not exactly the case for one guy. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. From the last group i have a read on Sentinel in a way or anohter but it's not strong so i don't want to elaborate more on that yet. Palmar could go either way until he talks more and so can Coag. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second. and eventually this comes out. Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say. In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all. Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts. It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town! ~rayn This came a bit out of the blue, it wasnt really a direct response but from what I can gather, it was prompted I assume by Palmar's support of Rayn against me, and my attack on the active players in thread / : (of which palmar was one and I did comment against him as well a short while before this post) Whats funny though is that at this point sent and Coag have barely posted 0_0 so what changed? The only reason I see for scum Rayn coming out in support of Palmar is so that they can safely consolidate / : which means his whole "cant say what palmar is cause afks" was probally bullshit and just an excuse to avoid talking about his scum mate. Yeah, we should lynch plam today / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:58 Palmar wrote: write 200 word essay on unflipped player. conclude someone entirely different is mafia. Virtually everyone here agrees that what rayn did makes him scummy. Kinda funny how things have turned around no? Just a few days ago our positions were reversed XD not fun fighting the whole thread is it? How long till your scum buddy's smell the blood in the water and come for you as well ya think? | ||
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Take note, this is the angriest reaction from palmar I have ever seen. I think what I've said is fairly reasonable / : and well mannered as well. So why an outburst this bad? Why does my opinion ( which he doesn't really seem to value) get him this angry? 2 things are at work. He blames me for what rayn did, the game was thiers before I did something cheap / : so he can't help but be angry at me. palmar responds more coolly to accusations as town than a lot of players on tl in my opinion XD Yet he's furious here, which brings me to the second factor, which is that I have hit the nail on the head XD and he can't stand it. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:06 Palmar wrote: You were under suspicion for something you did. You and HF are trying to pusht he idea that I should be under suspicion for something rayn did. There is a difference and it makes you mafia. And yet, you haven't overtly been calling for my head until now, so obviously what I did to set you off is attack you XD. Don't pretend that's not why your going after me, when I was calling out coag you didn't say shit, cause me being scummy is no problem when I'm on your side right? | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:09 prplhz wrote: gumshoe is just making shit up as he goes Purple, is rayn scum for claiming scum? If you agree, then attack my argument not me. Thanks for confirming that your scum though XD first post in a while = defence of scum buddy. I know you people are pissed about rayn but you don't have to make things that easy. If palmar flips town you can have my head if you like, there's more than once cell to win with after all. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:12 Palmar wrote: go read my filter and prove I'm mafia. If I do so I am assuming rayn is scum, just so you know, because I have made arguments as to why his claim is believeable le and that is my stance. This is a game built around associations and your asking me not to take into account a scum claim 0-0 | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:14 Palmar wrote: Also, even if we assume rayn was scum, why does that make me mafia gumshoe? Glad to see you've calmed down : D I don't read his interactions with sent and coag as scum on scum. He presents sent as possibly scummy, and coag as possibly townie so that when coag flips, everyone calls sent scum. Not you. He also chose not to read into you ( until it was convenient for him ) until your team mates talked, despite the fact that he had no issue calling me or Geript scum before Steve or cephiro talked. The motive is that he used the asks as an excuse to not talk about his scum buddies. Only once I started going after actives did he defend you. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:19 prplhz wrote: Like, you're just making shit up as you go, no thinking just fitting everything to your agenda. If I am scum, and Palmar is scum, why on earth would I even think that Palmar needed or would benefit from me posting a one liner? I'm just posting exactly what I am seeing, you are in make-shit-up-mode. Every time someone posts it completely confirms whatever you think and that's just not how mafia works at all. Loll, no your doing what scum have been doing all game. Calling my arguments bullshit in an organized manner without attacking the arguments. Scum rayn and palmar have offered one off " gumshoe doesn't make sense therefore he's mafia " all game, why wouldn't you? It worked for a good long while. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: no of course rayn isn't anything because of a drunk ragequit in the middle of the night, except probably mad i have no idea why people believe his scumclaim but not anything else he said The scum claim makes sense, the town claim after makes sense if he realizes in his drunken stupor that he fucked up. His anger implies he's scum as well. The two don't contradict each other as much as scum would like us to think | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:26 Palmar wrote: But it's ok, because for the entire time, all rayn needed to do to not be called mafia by you is to stop calling you mafia. genius. Ah yes, the scum spin XD I can only assume rayn felt he had to call me town, similar to how he had to call me scum gsl. I personally wouldn't have done it but a lynch on Steve still served his purpose fine I suppose. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:27 Palmar wrote: Like if anything you should be suspicious of rayn like steve was for using sort of flimsy reasoning to stop calling ou mafia, but that doesn't really matter because I know rayn would do exactly what he did as town. Why would I be suspicious of him doing something that he just doesn't have to do as scum? I realize now that Rayn feels pressured to do things as scum because he feels that town rayn would in no world not do that thing. If I swore on my life, town Rayn would be believe me due to what he knows of me, therefore scum Rayn cannot reconcile his two personas. Besides, steve is just as good a lynch for him I suppose. Was definitely hard for me to wrap my head around at that possibility at the time | ||
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