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On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all?
You were not the most green player, you were the most green player to US because at the time me and Rayn were fixed on the other being mafia. Town considered Rayn the greenest by far because they did not have our cells enhanced tunnel vision. No one but me ever called Rayn scum, so I dont see your point here ) : also even if you were right, I'm not entirely sure what that proves, can you elaborate? How sure are you that Geript is town? Do you think prp is scum? Would ceph lurk as long as he did as scum?
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On April 04 2014 03:22 Steveling wrote:
Well, no one called me out on anything serious. Yes?
You and getript had actively hunted ryan? Yes?
So I was greener? I'll take that as a yes too.
You are again lying after that, getript had called ryan scum many times and I don't recall, have to check filters, I think even before yours and ryans fight.
As for your last questions, I didn't assume anything regarding their status.
I did forget Geript XD mostly cause I tend to forget about him as I generally dont put much stock in what he says / : that is not a lie, it is a mistake. That isnt scummy : P just slop.
Also there are other cells bro, figure out a read and offer it please.
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On April 04 2014 03:23 Palmar wrote:
maybe gumshoe is indeed the mafia
who knows
How does fucking up make me scum? Arent you supposed to be good at this game?
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Does anyone here honestly believe Steve was townier than rayn at any point?
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On April 04 2014 03:30 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:06 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention. If I did just that I'd in the clear. Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it? All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba. Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think? It's the long post I opened this day with. You avoided to answer this or did you forget again?
Actually, yes XD I read this and jumped to your case and forgot about the rest of the post.
1: I think you dont understand what I mean by sub optimal, if Rayn is scum, he literally just has to do what hes doing and he wins, the onus was on him to make such a shitty scum move that makes perfect sense to me if hes town (ive explained why rayn can do this as town already, and ive seen him do something similar before at key points of games)
You on the other hand are reacting, you MUST react to what Rayns done therefore you are more off balance. Rayn has to go out of his way to play shitty if hes scum, whereas you are just reacting shitty to something you had no control over and trying to justify rage with rage.
Also you are saying you wouldnt play this shitty as scum, why would you play that shitty as town either? That argument makes no sense / :
Rayn's action is inherently better as one faction than the other. Does that not make sense?
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On April 04 2014 03:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote:
Does anyone here honestly believe Steve was townier than rayn at any point? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ~rayn
Other than stupid Gumshoe of course T_T I mean of the two people you say were on Rayn, one of them has realized hes an idiot, and the other is Geript.
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On April 04 2014 03:41 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:39 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 03:30 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:06 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention. If I did just that I'd in the clear. Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it? All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba. Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think? It's the long post I opened this day with. You avoided to answer this or did you forget again? Also you are saying you wouldnt play this shitty as scum, why would you play that shitty as town either? That argument makes no sense / : Ummm, do you read what you typed before you hit the post button? It's you who are claiming I'm scum and not me obviously, lmao.
You are saying you would not play this bad as scum, but the play is bad period, theres no reason to play that way as town either.
Whereas Rayn's action is inherently worse if hes scum. Ergo hes townier. Whats the problem here?
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On April 04 2014 03:45 Steveling wrote:
Your reading comprehension?
God your such a dick,
Your argument, HERDER GUMSHOE I KICKED YOUR ASS AS SCUM, HOW I PLAY SO BAD?!!@>##
The play is bad period, there is no reason to make it therefore it is null, it does not count in your favour.
Rayns play on the other hand is good if hes town and bad if hes scum.
I know one of you is scum, ones reaction is null at best, the other townie. Who do I assume is scum?
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Honestly, I feel like towns a big vicious cat playing with a stolen shoe ) :
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On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free.
Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this?
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Also you never answered my question, who do you think is scum in Prplz cell?
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On April 04 2014 03:59 Steveling wrote:
And btw my play would be more legit as town than as scum.
Town in this setup can't afford MY's.
You ML me, mafia gets a point and you lose a supposedly strong player in ryankoshi( don't know why he's considered a strong player, lol , at least based on this game).
As scum, as I explained in the previous post, acting up for this stupid reason would be disastrous.
You admit you played shitty earlier 0_0 ummm ok? Is this a scum claim?
Also how can you NOT act out? Pretty much the towniest guy in the game turns on you, if your scum you have to deal with that, theres no way around that. What you did is null or scummy, what Rayn did was townie, do you not see my point of view?
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On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also you never answered my question, who do you think is scum in Prplz cell? Who me?
Yes.
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On April 04 2014 04:04 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:57 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free. Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this? What's your reasoning for thinking rayn acted as towny? Holyflare and palmar basically told me that they know he's retarded but they trust him, I don't agree but there you have it. What your stance? Cause to me it seems you got a bit too happy a bit too fast when the attention shifted from you on me. You said rayn had a 90% scumread and suddenly he's town? With a play that his fellow veterans admitted was dumb? And you answer this pls.
I have answered this many times over, the play is only dumb if Rayn is scum, it only might look dumb as town if someone still thinks I'm scum or are scum, I know I'm town though, so Rayn giving up a perfect position can only really be interpreted to me as a townie making the right call at the expense of his own credibility. There is no reason to do that as scum.
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On April 04 2014 04:04 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:57 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free. Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this? What's your reasoning for thinking rayn acted as towny? Holyflare and palmar basically told me that they know he's retarded but they trust him, I don't agree but there you have it. What your stance? Cause to me it seems you got a bit too happy a bit too fast when the attention shifted from you on me. You said rayn had a 90% scumread and suddenly he's town? With a play that his fellow veterans admitted was dumb? And you answer this pls.
Why are you deflecting my question by asking a question I've asnwered dozens of times? Are you even reading my posts? Why is it so unreasonable to ask you to scum hunt outside of your own cell?
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On April 04 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 04:04 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:57 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free. Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this? What's your reasoning for thinking rayn acted as towny? Holyflare and palmar basically told me that they know he's retarded but they trust him, I don't agree but there you have it. What your stance? Cause to me it seems you got a bit too happy a bit too fast when the attention shifted from you on me. You said rayn had a 90% scumread and suddenly he's town? With a play that his fellow veterans admitted was dumb? And you answer this pls. Why are you deflecting my question by asking a question I've asnwered dozens of times? Are you even reading my posts? Why is it so unreasonable to ask you to scum hunt outside of your own cell? I didn't deflect anything, I'm filtering prplz right now and I'll follow up with getmoript. You didn't answer on the other hand.
I have answered this many times over, the play is only dumb if Rayn is scum, it only might look dumb as town if someone still thinks I'm scum or are scum, I know I'm town though, so Rayn giving up a perfect position can only really be interpreted to me as a townie making the right call at the expense of his own credibility. There is no reason to do that as scum.
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On April 04 2014 04:28 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Koshi says:
Steveling (only trying to win his group currently)
Make HF his group last. Busted? We all agree we have to win our cells first and foremost and then look at other cells. In this setup a lynch removes an entire cell from the game, so town is hurt more than MY than scum by scum lynch? I'm under suspicion so I'm obviously trying to make seem as town and get us a point? Scumslip? Even though it was a lie, since I'm filtering cell 5 atm. I also like how you conveniently ask for HF who blindly trusts you to be the last cell, lol.
Ok, thats fine, now provide your comments on other cells and prove your not just trying to live : D.
Holy flare is apparently the best player on tl mafia, results say he is better than Rayn, would we not benefit from his insight throughout the game? Do you think hes scum? You seem to crumb that hes bad townie here, not scum, how do you know hes town? And when is Holy ever bad?
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On April 04 2014 04:54 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also you never answered my question, who do you think is scum in Prplz cell? Who me? Yes. In the early game he says Show nested quote +and now that your main scum read suddenly lets you go as his main scum read, you go "nice, i'm afk now LOL"
i swear on my life that gum is scum
can we please get over this dumb shit, gum has been theatrical all game and i don't know why you would put this beyond him Later on he responds to someone fos'ing him Show nested quote +you can't call me mafia because i'm town and all of getript's arguments are stupid. Like, totally unrelated these 2 points he makes. Weak. Later he says that he would lynch getript over cephiro which is questionable. Getript doesn't have the best posts but at least he has some, lol. On another comment I don't understand this, what does "he was right when no one else was" mean? Does he know for sure my alignment? He has an argument with getript about getript calling him scum. Read it all and I think they are both wrong, meaning, getript just overreacts to useless fluff. After that prplz has some nice questions about both me and gumshoe. He votes for holyflare which I agree with and generally I think is a good protown vote. I'd say I'm leaning more towards town atm for him. Except one thing, he changed his mind like 3 times on me and 2 on gum already. He doesn't question rayn at all, at any point. I want to ask prpls what's his current opinion on raynkoshi.
Welp, this is pretty reasonable 0_0 fuck, is rayn actually scum? Is that even possible?
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You know what, fuck it, I am the worst lylo player on tl and this game is just 24/7 lylo, I give up on my cell, regardless of whose scum between rayn or steve, they have clearly outplayed me and the only reason we are still talking is because I did something really cheap. If people wake up and realize that I dont care this much when I'm scum, thatd be dandy, but I really have no idea who is red in my cell, so I'm just going to focus on the other ones.
Whatever it means about his alignment, I think I agree with Steve on prp, Geript is playing his town meta to a t if hes scum and I dont think Cephiro would be comfterbale lurking this long if he was red, I also liked his entry and will go into why I think hes town in a bit. Gonna go grab some lunch first.
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On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^
Oh god your right T_T Steve is scum with prp methinks then. But lynch me instead cause I'm obviously the scummiest person in my cell XD
Anyways, quick general question before I go, do you think scum are more likely to bus in this setup because they know they can throw 2 cells?
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