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On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling
Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg
Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation
Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam
Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro
this is where i'm at right now
tis what lists are for
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On April 05 2014 02:14 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:06 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 02:04 Coagulation wrote:
palmar is really engaged. looks quite town, so it must be sent right?
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##vote sent but sentinels meta is to look scummy as town right righhhhhhhttttt i was talking out of my ass before. Just read his filter and he looks scummy. You think palmar is the scum, right? Do you have good reasons?
of course i don't think palmar is the scum ~_~
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Totally a legitimate statement
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You probably shouldn't be listening to what i say this game though
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Lynch sentinel for his palmar comment at the start of the game then
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On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote:
Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi.
You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing.
My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys?
Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.
Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever.Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote:
Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking?
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum.
I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by.
The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own.
That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum.
I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself.
I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part.
Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate.
You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] +On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:
Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.
~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:
Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post. - In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
- In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!
Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :I'll just make a list of these: - gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
- As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
- gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish.
But this is, well how should I put it, questionable?
Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is.
At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument.
As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself.
Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad.
And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2
this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town
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On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote:
Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi.
You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing.
My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys?
Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.
Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever.Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote:
Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking?
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum.
I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by.
The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own.
That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum.
I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself.
I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part.
Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate.
You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] +On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:
Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.
~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:
Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post. - In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
- In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!
Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :I'll just make a list of these: - gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
- As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
- gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish.
But this is, well how should I put it, questionable?
Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is.
At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument.
As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself.
Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad.
And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! Holy, do you see Rayn bieng as sympathetic yet resigned to lynch as he was to Coag if they were scum together? As for Sent, he does nothing to even remotely help him survive his cell and sent is a perfectly good ally / : so theres no reason to abandon him like Rayn did. He clearly favours Palmer, does that not mean anything? Is it that unlikely that they're both scum?
i know you're scum, rayn told me
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On April 05 2014 04:52 Steveling wrote:
So Holyflare since you are here.
What do you think about my coag post?
Also palmars?
no idea
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On April 05 2014 04:59 gumshoe wrote:OK but you do at least see my point? If I am town, which I am(Rayns a phony!) it's far more likely Rayn is scum than Steve to me, and Rayn's interactions with Palmer are the only ones that seem Scum on scumish. Doth though agree?
umm he's not a phony he literally told me because he was mad at you so... whatever i'm just going to ignore your attempts
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On April 05 2014 05:16 getmoript wrote:
Rayn was not town. Move on. I already told you all why he wasn't.
We should be focusing on why there are still a boatload of votes on Coag who clearly doesn't give a shit about this game and lacks the connections to actually be scum in this case.
~Cav
What the fuck is this. YOU GUYS JUST MADE A CASE SAYING STEVE WAS SCUM!!
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? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town
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On April 05 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town How do you know his alignment? When did he tell you?
Irrelevant. You're scum.
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On April 05 2014 05:49 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:47 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town How do you know his alignment? When did he tell you? Irrelevant. You're scum. So your just full of shit : D good to know. Ok never mind all that. ##Vote Plamar
No really. I know you are scum.
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On April 05 2014 05:52 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 05:49 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 05:47 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town How do you know his alignment? When did he tell you? Irrelevant. You're scum. So your just full of shit : D good to know. Ok never mind all that. ##Vote Plamar No really. I know you are scum. How? Im not, so you can understand why I'm curios as to your source : D How is Coag best lynch? What has he done this game thats any different from his standard?
Tried to push a lynch with "0 game knowledge" to try and fit in. If they were town i think they'd continue not giving a shit.
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On April 05 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:
GS u make no sense
He's scum. Rayn told me.
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Just going to say again it's nothing to do with pm's
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