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On March 26 2014 15:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also the things you said about Robik are hilarious.
I am more interested in what other people think about all this. There is nothing i want to discuss with you.
Please point out to me where it is wrong. He has read 1 or 2 games of you as mafia and 1 of those is foundation where you yourself said that the game was shit and totally not your meta so in actuality he has read 1 game of mafia from you. He has read 0 town games. He calls out something about smiley's which didn't happen in any of your scum games that I looked at and seeing as he has read 0 of your town games how does he know you do not do that as town?
You defend robik and say everything is shit and boo hoo i don't want to talk to holy anymore.
You so funny.
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On March 26 2014 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is 100% untrue. marv only said DP is mafia when he came back to thread at N1 start and didn't look at the flip but instead started reading the thread from where he had left. In fact at the end of D1 marv said he is "starting to think HF is scum for this retardo-tunnel". So i am not sure if you think this is "marv pointed out the same things i did".
i talked to marv on skype and he was also agreeing that dp was mafia and the only thing he was hesitant on was post count so don't and it is irrelevant anyway because this has nothing to do with the game
why are you shutting down conversation when conversation leads to alignments?
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Nobody else is saying anything the only thing that happened is gumshoe/palmar so far so unless you want to talk about that all over again shutting me down leaves you 0 things to talk about
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i'm just gonna gg out of this thread because there is no way that this is town rayn cya
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I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not
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On March 26 2014 15:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
phagga:
I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly
apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia. Can you explain us why you townread robik?
what do you make of this set of events that just happened? i like that you jumped back to robik's post about not seeing any rayn town games so what do you think of rayn saying me pointing it out is shit logic? and why does he not want to talk to me if he thinks i'm capable of doing this "shit logic" as town?
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On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not What does this have to do with anything i have said? I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.
so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that
you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc
why?
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On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.
There is a difference between meta and tone.
i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?
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On March 26 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here
he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not What does this have to do with anything i have said? I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way. so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc why? Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn. 
no this is you being full of shit
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On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly
so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.
and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.
so what is going on?
this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well
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On March 26 2014 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.
There is a difference between meta and tone. i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand? Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone. I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL).
tone on a forum from a first post that contains 3 words means nothing
why would i check someones meta so soon?
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On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.
this 1000x applies to you
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On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly
so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.
and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.
so what is going on? this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me. Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.
and i do the same thing but you say i am town, you dismiss everything anyone says and don't even question your read on a player that you have seen play mafia 0 times
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On March 26 2014 16:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:05 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions. this 1000x applies to you That's not true Holyflare.
"why is thrawn voting for me without stating intentions or what is going on or questioning"
"why is rayn calling robik town and dismissing everything about him without stating intentions or what is going on or questioning"
why are you not mafia and thrawn is instead?
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if thrawn is mafia for not asking you to explain your reads or his intetions then you are mafia for not doing the same thing to him
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no he lied and you said NOTHING about it you dismissed talking to me entirely, you said it was shit logic and you aggrevated me "to get reads on players" so no rayn, fucking explain why it is NOT A LIE
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Yes, he has changed his story entirely about 3 times:
On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's townMafia Rayn would end this post with
On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations.
In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games. Furthermore, he has never seen you play town so he does not know if you do that as town so how can he make the statement that you are town based on no evidence that has ever happened?
Secondly, he says none of your other posts have said you are mafia this game but then when questioned further about that he says nothing about your posts and just expands on the smiley thing again.
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Also, if I am to thus trust robik's reads this game on you then why shouldn't I trust him about his 100% town read on thrawn? The real answer is that I don't trust anything he says because it's based on 0 logic. This robik point is needless anyway because I am voting for you because I think you are mafia because you never ever questioned any of this whatsoever and 3 other people have. That is super weird for you to not do and on top of all the dismissing me based on nothingness I have come to the conclusion that you are mafia.
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Not to mention with this entire discourse happening and a lot of questions being flung his way, he just drops out of the thread entirely and only answers you occasionally
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On March 26 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He claims he knows my mafia play because he has seen it two times (and correctly called me out both of the times). Then he says he thinks i would put a smiley after my first post in case i was mafia and because i didn't to him it implicates i am town.
In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town.
Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia.
On March 26 2014 14:43 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 14:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's townMafia Rayn would end this post with On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations. these 2 posts contain an absolute lie No they don't. Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct. You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn.
Rayn did this in one game but isn't doing it here is the very definition of meta
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