World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Page 2

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:30 GMT

#212

On March 26 2014 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey thrawn do you think i am saying what Holyflare thinks i am?

Also 1 is also true, it was the heading that was a lie.

SEE....THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF A SMILEY!

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:43 GMT

#218

On March 26 2014 14:33 Holyflare wrote:

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these 2 posts contain an absolute lie

No they don't.

Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct.

You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:44 GMT

#219

On March 26 2014 14:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote thrawn2112

My initial impression is that thrawn is just being thrawn of GSL and using a tactic to illicit reactions. That's why I think he's town.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:46 GMT

#222

No clue. Not ready to take a stance on him.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:53 GMT

#230

On March 26 2014 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I am interested why you repeatedly say "you're wrong on rayn".
To me this implicates you think/know he is town because if he is mafia he can't be wrong on me, he's just making shit up.

Even if he's mafia, he can still be wrong. He could be lying and know that it's wrong...but it's still wrong.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 05:55 GMT

#231

On March 26 2014 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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No he implied he has a scumread on me. thrawn is not stupid, he is using shitlogic so he must be mafia.

nah. Thrawn is town as fuck

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 14:48 GMT

#534

15 fucking pages while i slept...fuck you all. Catching up

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 14:54 GMT

#535

On March 26 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote:

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discussing it would calm me down and stop me from shitposting which is absolutely what you'd want to do as a townie because then you can explain what's going on and see my reactions to something being wrong

you don't do that, you don't point out why it's wrong, you're ignoring blatant lies from another player, you post a giant fucking wall of text that says nothing other than the person who made a lie is town for no reason whatsoever

you are mafia

Please stop saying "blatant lies from a player." I'm fairly certain that you're talking about me and NOTHING I have said is a lie.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:03 GMT

#536

On March 26 2014 15:26 phagga wrote:

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What was the intention of this question?

@Robik

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Wait, you have never played a town game with rayn, is that right?

Can you explain me in as few sentences as possible why you read rayn as town? You can leave out the smiley stuff, I got that.

1) His first posts oozes town. It's so fucking genuine.

2) He's playing this game in a fashion that doesn't reflect the way he's played mafia in either GSL or Foundations.

3) I speak to Rayn on a daily basis on IRC and feel like I have a decent understand of how he's play either role. We also have some meta going into this game based off of those conversations.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:05 GMT

#537

On March 26 2014 15:30 phagga wrote:

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oh, ok. I was wondering why you only wanted a yes/no and no reason.

This post from phagga reads off to me. He seems to be asking a question for the sake of asking it. His justification for backing off is pretty meh.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:16 GMT

#538

On March 26 2014 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, he has changed his story entirely about 3 times:

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In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games. Furthermore, he has never seen you play town so he does not know if you do that as town so how can he make the statement that you are town based on no evidence that has ever happened?

Secondly, he says none of your other posts have said you are mafia this game but then when questioned further about that he says nothing about your posts and just expands on the smiley thing again.

You clearly lack an understanding. It has nothing to do with it being the FIRST post. It has to do with the fact that that first post would be the type of post that Rayn WOULD post a smiley after to feign happiness. Kinda like the feigned smiley post he made after saying we should lynch gumshoe in GSL.

Again, I understand that you don't have to and don't want to believe me. That's just what I do. THat's how I play. Don't like it. Don't respect it. Doesn't mean I'm lying. Doesn't mean I'm not the towniest motha fucka of all fuckin time!

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:23 GMT

#543

Just finished up to pg 16. I'm starting to think that Holy/Rayn are just two passionate town going back and forth. I'm flattered that the conversation is mostly about me being a shittastic player.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:24 GMT

#544

On March 27 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
In this thread we see players repeatedly doing the same catch up over and over

I'm a stream of conscious player and react to what I read as I read it, if I feel it calls for a reaction.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:30 GMT

#550

On March 27 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
Palmarwagon bestwagon

this x10000

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:50 GMT

#555

On March 26 2014 17:49 Palmar wrote:

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If anything you should conclude I'm town here for not proofreading my posts.

This has nothing to do with proofreading and everything to do with overcompensating and trying to make it so people don't say "oh, well palmar claimed mafia cause he didn't call himself town." That's definitely something I see a LOT of mafia do.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 15:57 GMT

#556

On March 26 2014 17:53 Palmar wrote:

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On March 26 2014 13:19 IAmRobik wrote:

On March 26 2014 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe, here is how i see it:

On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me.

Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try.

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:

On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else?

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment?

If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.

On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.

Let me make myself Palmar for a second:
"I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question.

Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely?

I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate.

I think you're missing gumshoe's point about this, or maybe I'm misunderstanding...either way -- MY THOUGHTS -- are that Palmar clarified that he asked the question of you to promote conversation. He then reiterated that it was just for the purpose of starting conversation...THEN he said that he ALSO did it because he thought Rayn was scummy. He just seems to be continuously contradicting himself. idk. I don't like you Palmar. PALMAR. I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.

Show me where.

I may have misunderstood this post...but here:

On March 26 2014 10:14 Palmar wrote:

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I wasn't wondering about the trap card.

By your own definition I am still mafia because I was serious about my question without previously thinking rayn is scum, so how can you have no issues with me? I literally just said that there exists a reason for me asking rayn that question that isn't a) to start a discussion or b) because I think rayn is scummy.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 16:10 GMT

#560

I literally just said that there exists a reason for me asking rayn that question that isn't a) to start a discussion or b) because I think rayn is scummy.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 16:11 GMT

#561

I may have misunderstood/read that wrong.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 16:27 GMT

#567

On March 27 2014 01:16 Palmar wrote:
Do you wanna talk because marv is an asshole Robik?

I mean, I'm trying to keep up with two games right now -- didn't realize they'd start simultaneously. But yeah...I'm down to talk. I'm currently on pg 19 of this game. Is there anything that you think I should keep my eye out for. At this point in the thread, Thrawn is getting some pressure, and probably deservedly so. Having said that, I initially read Thrawn town because I thought he was just gonna vote outside of thread without giving any explanations in thread in order to see what people say and gauge reactions. Then he started on his Raynscapade and that felt off.

I feel great about Rayn.
I feel pretty god about HF.

I don't feel so great about phagga (man this name is so inappropriate to say out loud) because it seems like he's just throwing in his opinion a sentence at a time here or there to softly push some random agendas and it doesn't seem like he's putting himself out there.

I don't feel all that great about you, but I'm not sure. You're definitely playing on a different level than foundations. You seem to care a bit more and if I were to meta it based off of 1 game together, I'd say that's scummy for you cause you posted a bunch of nonsensical bullshit on d1 in foundations and were very wishy washy on everything.

I don't have strong opinions about marv. From what I've heard of his town game, he's supposed to be top town TL, but not so great scum, and I haven't gotten that top town TL feel from him thus far....so maybe he's scum?

That's where I'm at so far.

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

March 26 2014 17:26 GMT

#622

On March 27 2014 01:35 Palmar wrote:
@Robik, I have no idea how you can come back from the rayn/HF exchange thinking rayn looks better than HF.

I thought you wanted to talk to me. I gave my reads and this is all you drew from them? I think they're both town. At this point, I don't care too much about the order, although for aforementioned reasons I have a stronger read on Rayn being town because I've never played non-video with HF

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