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On March 28 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
anyways i am well on my way to being drunk and i have learned my lesson about that. ttyl
Maybe you could try to answer the cases against drunk'n'tired!thrawn when you get to the right mindset and elaborate more on his thought processes? You could even argue with thrawn!=drunk'n'tired because you two disagree with almost everything in the game.
this is only a half joke.
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On March 28 2014 18:57 prplhz wrote:
i missed the bh context, thought it was just a throwaway "frustrated townie" outburst and didn't really consider it important at all. then i missed that single post because i read all other posts on that page (and in the game). doesn't even matter because i was voting palmar way before that even happened.
How can both of these statements be true?
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oh nvm prplhz i understand it now.
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On March 28 2014 19:03 Holyflare wrote:
explain it to me?
Well i'd rather have prplhz explain it to you first if you have a problem with it. 
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Yes Holyflare that's how it's supposed to be read.
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On March 28 2014 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
The part where he loves to lynch all liars and agrees that you lied when me and rayn were talking about you and then 180's on you completely and ignores everything about you. i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true
thrawn i wanted to ask you about this:
Why are you being so overly defensive here? You are not even addressing what Holyflare says here.
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On March 28 2014 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 19:00 Holyflare wrote:On March 28 2014 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
phagga could be mafia. Holy is basically defending him like an ass because he's tunnelled on thrawn. For now, I don't know/care. i'm not, it's more likely prpl is mafia than thrawn but i liked phagga's reasoning for voting palmar and thought it looked alright and the rest of thrawns case was stuff that i had also done and i'm town so therefore it invalidates the rest of his case I don't really think prplhz is mafia.
I concur.
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On March 28 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 28 2014 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
The part where he loves to lynch all liars and agrees that you lied when me and rayn were talking about you and then 180's on you completely and ignores everything about you. i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true thrawn i wanted to ask you about this: Why are you being so overly defensive here? You are not even addressing what Holyflare says here. it's annoying, he;s saying I lied. nothing in what he';s saying I did is a lie. and even without that, there';s nothing in what he;s saying i did that makes me scummy tbh I think that;s the main reason so many people sheeped the thrawn wagon, like they just casually read hf's stuff and assumed it must be true or something. i've made a few posts about how it no such lie exists and hf keeps coming back with "no you lied gg no re" and it's getting really irritating tldr hf is an ass
No that is not what Holyflare is saying there!!!
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On March 28 2014 19:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 19:47 marvellosity wrote:Alright, I suppose my point is that it's reasonable for thrawn to be confused by what you're talking about because it isn't very clear to me either. If you're talking about his unvote/vote... On March 28 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing to note, and without giving an opinion on alignments particularly because I cba to argue.
If marv is coming after Palmar hard and in the end produces a case that is very very very likely to get Palmar lynched, then mafia have to decide what they do.
Do they agree with the case and then backtrack really dully later even when it's clear Palmar is getting lynched with or without them, or do they try to look as good as possible from the flip with a decent vote? I'm talking about palmar loving to lynch all liars and agreeing that thrawn was a liar but then unvoting him at the first opportunity he could, ignoring the original lie.
Yes, this.
Now for thrawn the "correct" answer is "it does not look bad on me because what Palmar says has nothing to do with my alignment as i can't do nothing about him contradicting his policies if i am town", and not "BUT I DID NOT LIE!!!"
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On March 28 2014 19:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm not a liar u twat
How can you know you didn't lie because you don't remember anything about why you posted what you did at that time?
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On March 28 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote:
And you did lie. It's the simple truth. You said your vote occurred for one reason at a specific time when it occurred at another time for different reasons. Palmar agreed with this. If palmar agreed with it he agreed with you being a liar in which case he would lynch you.
He didn't do that.
If he "town" slipped you the first thing you'd do would be to point that out and eliminate yourself from suspicion.
I totally agree with the red part. It doesn't matter if thrawn lied or not. It matters that Holyflare says thrawn lied, Palmar agrees with this. Everyone (including thrawn) knows Palmar wants to lynch all liars. Palmar did not want to lynch someone he thought was a liar.
Why does thrawn NOT point that out? Now that would be townie. Ignoring the whole thing is not regardless of if thrawn in fact lied or not.
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On March 28 2014 20:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok. i think i understand,
i had two reasons why i thought rayn was mafia. these reasons occured to me at different times, here is the order n which they occured
reason 1) the real reason i voted for him, which was becasue I thought the tone of his game post was extremely fake
then rayn says that none of it was a lie, that #2 was actaully true
reason 2) i thought what rayn said about robik was pretty dumb and beneath town rayn.
reason 2 is what I mentioned in the thead. I didn't not mentioned reason 1 because I am hesitant to tell mafia that i am voting for them off the tone of their posts, which is something they can easily change.
i don't undersatnd how any of that is a lie?
I think the red part is very bullshit because the argument basically cancels itself.
You are saying my mafia!tone is different than my town!tone, but then you say i am able to change it??
Like how can you deteremine if i have a mafia!tone or town!tone in the first place if i can choose?
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thrawn explain to me what's different in my tone between these two posts:
On March 21 2014 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is called what would you do as town:
Scenario 1:
There is a big argument between two players in thread. You decide it's important regarding players alignments because you weigh in to the argument. What do you do?
1) Give your opinions on the players and tell which are good and bad. Say if someone looks scummy because of it or if it does not you point the thread to a different (right) direction.
2) Do not comment on the argumet at all, call one player out for it not really telling why or using some crap reasoning like "he should do something else". Call noone scum, give no better direction, throw a vote on someone, say "case later kthxye" and peace out.
Scenario 2:
You have a vote on your top scumread and people are waiting on your case. What do you do?
1) Make a case on your scumread, try to convince people on voting for him.
2) Make a case where you don't really call your scumread scum, continue discussing the scenario 1 matters, call another player out multiple times without calling calling him scum, defend/question a couple of other people on other things. peace out.
Scenario 3:
You have been out of the thread for a day. It's close to lynch, what do you do?
1) Make a case on your top scumread and try to convince people to vote for them, or weigh between the cases that are present and give resons why you sheep the best case.
2) Make a huge fucking case on someone who is not your top scumread. Then make another huge fucking case on your top scumread. In that case, say that this dude is definitely mafia regardless of this third guy's alignment. Proceed on voting for the third guy who you just said you are not even sure is mafia.
If you answered (1) more Giggletummy should be mafia.
If you answered (2) more you are mafia.
On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is a game of two truths and i lie. In this post there is going to be one lie. You need to guess where:1) I started using the smiley only lately, some moths or maybe half a year ago because i like how it looks. I don't remember who used it in mafia games (maybe it was marv?) but anyways someone did and i think the colored smiley it gives looks cute. Therefore i have almost abandoned every other smiley, while i normally prefer ^^ , ^_^ , or :D . I absolutely hate XD smiley because when i played brood war a lot in battle.net when someone used XD you could tell they were Spanish. I hated Spanish kids in brood war. They thought everyone can speak español and they ended every single thing they said with XD or XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD. Only thing they could say in English was "ally end" when they were about lo lose and i was about to ruin their precious stats. I refused to understand English at that point and started talking in Finnish. Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. 2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong. 3) I think this is absolutely the worst post in thread: Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:
So why do you not mention that rayn is super town based on x, y, z but instead mention that you read him as town from an alignment null post? Were you lying?
Both posts are written in the exact same mindset (i was having fun but i also wanted to make an informative post).
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On March 28 2014 20:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
the 2nd is overly happy and generally annoying to read and comprehend whereas 1 makes sense and is serious and much mroe related to actual scumhunting
How do you conclude the second post is more overly happy?
i was having way more fun writing the first one.
Also there is much more info in the second post than in the first one. Both are designed to be challenging (i.e. you need to actually think why i say the stuff i do). It is really obvious from both of the posts.
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Like did you even fucking read the second post or thought about it AT ALL??
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On March 28 2014 20:29 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like did you even fucking read the second post or thought about it AT ALL?? OBVIOUSLY NOT, lol. elsewise i wouldn;t be in this mess. i have admitted as much
See the thing is there is about 3 pages in my filter where i clearly say this is the case.
After all those posts instead of realizing maybe you should go back and re-read you don't do that. Instead you make a case on me....
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On March 28 2014 20:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
yes rayn i am terribad
actually no i am not
because i DID go back and reread the entire thread and i realized my initial reads were stupid and based on me being tired and lazy, and I decided to throw those reads away and try to form new ones and I have evidence to prove that I did so (all my spoilers)
so whatever
Yes i can understand this and to some extent it makes sense.
What does not make sense is that you literally flip all your reads 180 and i have a really really hard time believing you were so tired or whatever that after your re-read everything is suddenly the exact opposite. I can somehow get that you don't understand me and your read on me changes. But you completely change your read on Robik, and on Holyflare. The Holyflare part is most scummy because if you are town when you were tired you basically agreed with him on EVERYTHING in the game!! So a townie thought townie did some things and made some conclusions. When you do your re-read it's suddenly "highly unlike" a townie (Holyflare) made these conclusions when earlier you - as town - thought it's not only possible, but YOU SHEEPED HIM ON EVERY READ -> which means it's not only possible, but even highly likely he is right!!
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fuck i am bad at explaining what i mean.
marv can you explain that better. i know you get what i am saying.
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On March 28 2014 20:45 marvellosity wrote:
what do you think mafia-thrawn has to gain from so blatantly changing his reads like that?
I don't know? But it does not make any sense from town perspective even if he is not lying about being tired and making bad conclusions because of it.
If he is pretty much caught and can't answer the case on him (which he hasn't done) what choice does he have?
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Holyflare you can't prove thrawn lied.
It's certainly possible he didn't.
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