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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 03 2014 00:12 GMT
#921
On April 03 2014 08:47 RolandJarvis wrote:
At the risk of the world revolving around me, I'm going to talk about my NK for a second.

I believe at the time of my death 0 town were clearing me, 1 was ready to murder me through the screen, 1 had upgraded me to mere dislike, and 1 didn't have much to say about me. Then I died. Who besides me was surprised by that?

What was the state of my reads? Well, I had LT and Valenius as lock clear. I had robik as lock scum. I said I would thunderdome him. I made cases. I said "if you (robik) are town the game is already over because I'm never not voting you". Consider the implications of that. If scum believe me (and why wouldn't they?), and if robik is town, all they have to do is kill somebody who isn't me or robik and they have a guaranteed victory. That's pretty attractive. There's no wifom there where they did it to setup robik, all they need is my vote on a town and they can snipe a win.

I take a very straightforward view of night kills, both making them and interpreting them. When I'm scum I kill the threats. I believe it's much better to argue with a corpse who can't vote than to have a live player harassing me. When I'm town and when there's a surprise night kill, I want to know the reason. Killing a player who is universally cleared might mean nothing. Killing a player who is on the suspect list --- I want to know what he was thinking. The nk is validating his reads.




Not sure if you read the scum QT, but I had 0 influence on the night kills. I knew I was acting scummy and I didn't think I would be alive much longer, so OK took the reigns to do whatever he thought would make his like easier. I would have certainly left you alive and did thunderdome against you. I like challenges.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 03 2014 00:15 GMT
#922
On April 03 2014 09:11 RolandJarvis wrote:
If the doc can save the same person each night why doesn't the cop insta claim on day 1 and the poor mafia have to hope to luckbox the doc?

town doesn't believe cop claim day 1
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 03 2014 00:16 GMT
#923
plus town isn't called town, just people say you're a civilian.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 03 2014 00:17 GMT
#924
what I mean is that townie = civilian
the flavour
Imaginary
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2014 00:24 GMT
#925
On April 03 2014 09:06 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
just a few points of the current irl mafia meta where I live

no flips
you talk too much = you're mafia
mafia generally kill people who aren't talking
cop claim D3 pretty much guaranteed
doctor saves himself first 2 nights 90% of the time

Plus reads are flip flop depending on really little things, like repositioning your body after a night, who talked first after the night, who's sitting next to who, stuff like that

on tl forum mafia it's more like

always flips
you talk too much = you're town
mafia generally kill people who are right or people who don't look like they're going to be lynched
cop is somewhat rare.
doctor can't save himself.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
April 03 2014 00:25 GMT
#926
And moreover due to the semi-open format the cop might just die off the bat since he doesn't know if there's a medic in the game or not.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 03 2014 00:27 GMT
#927
next newbie mafia, I'm gonna claim cop first post, and stick with it.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 03 2014 00:27 GMT
#928
if I can play that is - going away april 10th to 12th
Imaginary
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
April 03 2014 03:01 GMT
#929
On April 03 2014 08:29 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I really do have to apologize since I basically let town down D3. Pretty shitty of me, but I didn't have time to post due to REASONS. And nothing really influenced my reads away from sqrt (I apologize for focusing you since D1 lol) and Robik. Should I have focused Robik first? Perhaps, but I just felt more strongly about sqrt, who I really do feel shouldn't have (edit: been so scummy/scurred).

Show nested quote +
The only other thing I find believable is Val and OK, or Robik and OK, and that requires quite some WIFOM do to their day 1 moves.

I should have believed in the WIFOM, because the first Day 1 exchange was pretty damn ridic and I don't know why I wrote them off as being mafia together because of it initially. It should've been a telltale sign, and I really should have tried to question the sqrt lynch. If I had the time to sit down and REALLY scrutinized my own reads and other people's analysis, I feel I could've won this for town, but I didn't have/do either.

So ye, I feel like I really dropped the ball here HARD (and hypocrisy since my D2 was entirely devoted to trying to get people to fking post, Pixal pls wtf).

Lessons I've learned from this game:
1) How to approach blue role claims. AKA not lynch them. Huehuehue. Story of this game is "town decides to lynch ALL da blues". And more importantly, learn to discern blue from scum. This is my first mafia game since LII, so that should tell you how little I generally play mafia, and how much I need to improve on in general.

2) That I now apparently have a scummy town D1 meta. Lynch me next game if I appear town D1 gaiz (if I actually have time to play, mafia too exhausting and time-consuming).

3) Lend more weight to nightkills and their implications.

4) l really, REALLY should believe in the WIFOM. Especially something as obvious as that, but I really didn't believe that scum would be so forward Day 1 and be the center of attention.

5) how2scumbait (don't)

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/227Jz8ekq7iaT
For my coach QT.


In general,

D1: I just don't feel Cav put together an adequate defense and his posting pattern made me misread him (sorta again), and I felt a parity cop is less impactful and guaranteed than a cop, and a blue role with no impact should have no bearing on (edit: his lynch at the time. I mean there's not much else I could do because I was the other candidate [and I apparently can't vote myself], and no one was swapping onto sqrt at the time so...In hindsight, it would've been to lynch myself, or oneo f hte two blues. lulz, mafia played well this game).

And my view going into D3 is that there was a coinflip chance the RB claim and medic claim was bogus even without a counterclaim, and thus I chose to rely on my then-present reads, which was fk that, I'm pretty sure he's scummy. As was pointed out in obs QT, I should've noticed his consistent medic pattern, but hindsight 20/20 (and you gaiz got a mod confirm for him), or gone for my other scum read (Robik), even if only to check reactions.


Also,

Howard.


Dude. You voted me because I claimed and because it would take too long to prove. Shut up.
Spectaticle
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 03 2014 05:44 GMT
#930
On April 03 2014 12:01 Cavalinho wrote:
Dude. You voted me because I claimed and because it would take too long to prove. Shut up.

Yes. That was stupid.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
April 03 2014 07:00 GMT
#931
btw peopel asking me for advice need to realize i haven't actually read this game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
April 03 2014 10:02 GMT
#932
On April 03 2014 09:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 09:11 RolandJarvis wrote:
If the doc can save the same person each night why doesn't the cop insta claim on day 1 and the poor mafia have to hope to luckbox the doc?

town doesn't believe cop claim day 1

Plus the fact that there's always either no doc or there's a roleblocker in the setup.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 03 2014 18:10 GMT
#933
On April 03 2014 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh right, I still needed to post my fanart.
[image loading]
(no offense to anyone, just poking fun!)

hilarious
I had a good night of sleep.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 20:33:10
April 03 2014 20:33 GMT
#934
Some post game thoughts, pretty simplified since I'm lazy.

Eden: gg, you got shot n1, you were doing okay. It seems clear that you know your way around forum mafia and what you need is experience on this site, I enjoyed our few short hours together. Sorry I wasn't more active as a coach d1.

RJarv: I don't feel like we communicated at all. You posted a list of town goals
"1. promote an atmosphere where everybody talks and gets listened to.
2. Get lots of players to take lots of stands on lots of other players. Avoiding a single topic dominating discussion.
3. Keep the lynch in doubt until the last minute.
4. Lynch a mafia."
I think you need to rethink number three in a big way, because forum mafia has intermittent activity it is important to start shoring up the lynch 12-24 hours before day end. With people being inactive at many times it is important to get your interactions into the thread early and push your ideas early.
You seemed like someone with experience but you need to take some time to adjust to this particular forum. Similar to Eden above though I feel like you were less interested in talking with me than he was.
Your 70 hour vanishing act was bad. Real bad. You need to not do that, it really hurt town that d2 was such a waste. Even with the pix lynch all shored up (which was a fine lynch) you should have done something to find scum besides pix.

Squirt:
You were interesting for me to coach, you were less willing to listen to me than other people have been in the past. I urge you think about your reads more. You had a lot of fucks to give and that is great, you just didn't apply a lot of reasons to your reads. Your heuristics were weak and you wouldn't reevaluate them.
You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes, you have a very irl based game which you need to get away from. You need to realize that forum mafia is very different than irl mafia.
Think about soccer, did you ever play pick up games or parks and rec games? Yeah? Well have you ever played FIFA World Cup (the video game)? Think about how the rules are the same but the skill sets simply don't transfer, the way you are playing now is like if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing"
use your understanding or irl mafia to give yourself a leg up in forum mafia but keep in mind that two two games are not the same and that different skill sets apply to both.

I'm happy to help any of you three, or anyone else, in the future. I'm pretty much full time coaching/zero time playing these days so always feel free to PM me. I love being able to stay a part of this community, no matter in how small a way.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 04 2014 23:45 GMT
#935
On April 04 2014 05:33 Promethelax wrote:
Squirt:
You were interesting for me to coach, you were less willing to listen to me than other people have been in the past. I urge you think about your reads more. You had a lot of fucks to give and that is great, you just didn't apply a lot of reasons to your reads. Your heuristics were weak and you wouldn't reevaluate them.
You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes, you have a very irl based game which you need to get away from. You need to realize that forum mafia is very different than irl mafia.
Think about soccer, did you ever play pick up games or parks and rec games? Yeah? Well have you ever played FIFA World Cup (the video game)? Think about how the rules are the same but the skill sets simply don't transfer, the way you are playing now is like if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing"
use your understanding or irl mafia to give yourself a leg up in forum mafia but keep in mind that two two games are not the same and that different skill sets apply to both.

First off, I prefer sqrt.

I really appreciate the fact that you coached me, and I accept the fact that forum mafia is absolutely different than irl mafia. I'm not sure if you have had to have the transition, but I'm sure there's at least one person in this forum that has, and that person should be able to tell you how big of a transition it is. Like you said, if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing", that would mean trouble. But I've never expressed that I knew what I was doing. You have to cut me some slack. Isn't it natural to attempt to use what you have, even if it's not specifically suited to the thing? For example, skills from an fps such as TF2 won't directly transfer over to COD, but you have to try to use what you have, and then see what's wrong, what's right, what's working, what's not. This was my second game, and to say that "You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes" is unfair in my opinion.
Imaginary
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 00:22:14
April 05 2014 00:22 GMT
#936
sqrt: Let's play together when you get back I probably won't join another game between now and then.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 05 2014 00:34 GMT
#937
On April 05 2014 09:22 Amiko wrote:
sqrt: Let's play together when you get back I probably won't join another game between now and then.

sure, why not?
Imaginary
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 05 2014 12:02 GMT
#938
On April 05 2014 08:45 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:33 Promethelax wrote:
Squirt:
You were interesting for me to coach, you were less willing to listen to me than other people have been in the past. I urge you think about your reads more. You had a lot of fucks to give and that is great, you just didn't apply a lot of reasons to your reads. Your heuristics were weak and you wouldn't reevaluate them.
You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes, you have a very irl based game which you need to get away from. You need to realize that forum mafia is very different than irl mafia.
Think about soccer, did you ever play pick up games or parks and rec games? Yeah? Well have you ever played FIFA World Cup (the video game)? Think about how the rules are the same but the skill sets simply don't transfer, the way you are playing now is like if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing"
use your understanding or irl mafia to give yourself a leg up in forum mafia but keep in mind that two two games are not the same and that different skill sets apply to both.

First off, I prefer sqrt.

I really appreciate the fact that you coached me, and I accept the fact that forum mafia is absolutely different than irl mafia. I'm not sure if you have had to have the transition, but I'm sure there's at least one person in this forum that has, and that person should be able to tell you how big of a transition it is. Like you said, if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing", that would mean trouble. But I've never expressed that I knew what I was doing. You have to cut me some slack. Isn't it natural to attempt to use what you have, even if it's not specifically suited to the thing? For example, skills from an fps such as TF2 won't directly transfer over to COD, but you have to try to use what you have, and then see what's wrong, what's right, what's working, what's not. This was my second game, and to say that "You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes" is unfair in my opinion.

Sqrt: Trust me, everyone understands what it's like to transition to forum mafia. Some do it quicker, some start out better, but I don't know a single person who didn't have some growing pains. Hell I've been playing forum mafia for a while and I still have trouble adjusting between mindsets between the various games I play and that's not including when I do stupid shit. Prome coaches a decent amount and has done so for a while; every now and again I hit him up to get him to help me think through thought processes for games I'm obsing/dead in. He's a very good coach and a very good guy. If he says you should think about X or Y, it is not in anyway to belittle you. It's specifically to help you improve. I think it was him who told me that I "should crank my investment level in games down from 11 to 6 or 7" because I lose my ability to think clearly/act rationally when I'm so invested. I didn't like hearing that I need to be better at controlling emotions but I needed to, I still need to. It's not fun; it's hard but trust me, we're all rooting for you to get fully transferred and integrated into being as good or better a forum player as you are an irl player.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 05 2014 21:38 GMT
#939
hi guys nice game (for scum). lol at blue lynches.
Feedback on the spreadsheet is appreciated. I cba to post polls and shit though.

Also Balla, dunno if it matters but the obs qt and stuff got a little fucked up in the "General" tab (since the General tab was not updated when you changed versions). You can fix it manually and add the obs/scum qt manually if you want
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 21:42:40
April 05 2014 21:42 GMT
#940
On April 06 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:
hi guys nice game (for scum). lol at blue lynches.
Feedback on the spreadsheet is appreciated. I cba to post polls and shit though.

Also Balla, dunno if it matters but the obs qt and stuff got a little fucked up in the "General" tab (since the General tab was not updated when you changed versions). You can fix it manually and add the obs/scum qt manually if you want

I didn't use it at all. Not sure I ever will. I'm sure you worked hard on it and whatnot, but I just don't see the point of it. If you could explain how it would help me play the game, maybe I would be more inclined to use it.


EDIT: I may have asked yo uthis already, but I'm drunk, so I'm just ognna go ahead and ask again.
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