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On April 03 2014 13:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if hopeless going after me (Knowing I had a nuke and hadn't used it yet) is more scummy or townie. It's a pretty bad play for either.
Like if he's scum then he risks me firing it @ him. But maybe he takes the risk knowing that I already have 2 people that I reallly want to kill.
If he's town and truly believes I'm scum that has the nuke then it really makes no sense for him to push me untill after I fire it. Like why would he try to get me lynched @ that point knowing that if I get in vote trouble I'd fire it @ town. If he really suspected me as scum, I'd think he'd keep it to himself untill after. Knowing that you were okay with nuking slam, I don't think it says much at all. You're not untouchable today just because someone gave you a nuke, and you're UNLIKELY to just snap nuke someone for calling you out.
Plus in your town hopeless and scum JJD situation, YOU ARE SCUM AND YOU HAVE A NUKE. There's no reason to wait if he legitimately thinks you're scummy, he's town and he's scumhunting. I don't see why a townie would wait to call you scummy until you'd fired a nuke at someone, in any situation where they found you scummy for non-nuke-firing reasons.
All in all I think it says nuttin' about nuttin'. Just one Bird God's opinion.
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I didn't give Amiko a good read, but I liked the responses to the zoo questions.
Amiko is order of business #1 for me tomorrow. Toad/hopeless and chatter is #2-x.
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Toad, you got some folks starting to look a little like this for you ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DY6QfPc.png)
You might want to get a bit more active and stance take-y.
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Again, completely asleep, but random thought.
If we have someone that can make more than nukes, and that person is town, I think you should not make KP. Anything that's anti-conversion or checky is good. One other option, if we've got someone that can make stuff, is some kind of alarm system. Something you or another person could place on folks at night, and it triggers if that player ever changes factions. Might take some discussion with hosts to balance, but something like that let's us identify people that get converted and WHEN it happens, which is particularly useful for seeing if they have any strategic read changes after swapping factions (would have to wait like 24-36 hours before revealing that someone had triggered an alarm, and then parse through what they'd posted earlier in the day).
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On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:hey tehpoofter! are you around? did you get converted or something? why did you stop playing during D2  I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) This isn't quite what Toad has claimed, ish.
ALSO DEAR LORD WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO LYNCH BASED ON ROLES YET LET'S LYNCH ON SCUMMY STUFF. Hopeless did a thing that I find, and apparently you find, scummy. Toad right now is a lump, but his role isn't fully a reason to lynch him. It's, again, a great reason to check him or DO THINGS to him, but not killing things.
On April 03 2014 20:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin you really think slam is going to flip town o.0? I think it's a possibility. Mainly I dislike that people discounted that possibility entirely, and that there was so much chatter about what his claim or fakeclaim meant/didn't mean and how we know his alignment or how he's pure anti-town and all this jazz. I don't think it was helpful, and in some ways my slam thoughts are colored by hoping I'm right in that all the chatter was useless. If he flips town, I get an epeen boost, so I have to hedge a little more towards hoping he's town, even when it doesn't make sense within the game.
Kita I'm around, interested in seeing you finish your thoughts on Vivax and Hopeless, then maybe talking a little bit.
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kita please keep posting. Hopeless thoughts, pancake recipes, whatever.
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slam could you please read amiko and ... your choice of vivax/kita?
If you're not mafia, would be nice to get your thoughts from you before end of day. If mafia, still nice to get your thoughts.
If you're super super super uninterested in that, could you just read amiko's response to my zoo questions and tell me what you think about that post and the other zoo posts?
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On April 04 2014 02:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:18 austinmcc wrote:
slam could you please read amiko and ... your choice of vivax/kita?
If you're not mafia, would be nice to get your thoughts from you before end of day. If mafia, still nice to get your thoughts.
If you're super super super uninterested in that, could you just read amiko's response to my zoo questions and tell me what you think about that post and the other zoo posts? Put a link to zoo posts not sure I I have long TE]On April 03 2014 13:17 Amiko wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:38 austinmcc wrote:
]If this game were a zoo, and every player in the game were an animal (and the zoo had these specific animals):
Who would be a tiger?
Who would be a flamingo, or fake flamingo?
Who would be a monkey, and please specify whether a monkey species that flings feces or no?
(This is actually a real set of questions)
I'll answer you as best I can, but I have to be a little silly with these questions.
Tiger
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ha9gth1.png) The noble tiger. It is fearless and strong, a ruthless predator. I think kitaman27 is a tiger, though perhaps he would not be confined to a zoo. Kita appears to confidently defend himself while pushing reads, and I feel he contributed to our first blood.
Flamingo
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QGuqP5L.jpg) (It's supposed to be a flamingo dragon) The pink flamingo. Something about it seems awkward and difficult to understand. But undeniably it's bright colors draws attention. Alakaslam is the flamingo. He stands out due to his unusual claim d1 and his odd playstyle. It's difficult to determine his motives. I guess we haven't focused him too much d1, but I still think the comparison is pretty good.
Monkey
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I can't think of a particularly appropriate answer and monkey pictures seem overused...
I guess I could argue that Slam is a poop-flinger because he spammed somewhat, but I don't feel like it really detracted from the conversation all that much.
On April 03 2014 13:21 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc
I don't know if these questions will be meaningful but I'll ask you to see where it goes-
Who would be a:
a) Hippo?
b) Panda?
(also if you want to be a flamingo as bird god I can accept that)
On April 03 2014 13:30 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc re: tigerKita in the zoo
I didn't mean much by the comment except to express he is kinda scary.
But! I can offer a post-hoc thematically appropriate explanation, which I do think is fair:
I feel like I would expect Kita to be more on the defensive d2 given rayn's certain scum read followed by a town flip. In other words, kita should be feeling high pressure. But I don't think the pressure on kita has been all that strong (with some exceptions... JJD put some pressure earlier on him regarding the nuke, kita's had to explain some reads, you are following up with some now... but it still doesn't feel like he is in much danger to me right now).
In other words, maybe kita should be constrained by the thread sentiment, but it doesn't seem like he is.
thanks
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Something is effed there, but you can see from the two quote-ish tags where that's supposed to be a quote
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Vivax wrote:
austin save me from the mafia pls Right now people accusing people is good for thread, whether wrong or right.
BIRD GOD SAVE APPLICATION - DENIED
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I'm rereading the last 15 pages or so.
Don't lynch Vivax. The way in which he questions Hopeless and the things that he's looking at read townie. He's attacking inconsistencies that he seems to really see/are really there. He also has what I think is a townie reaction to Gumshoe's claim. Since we've been kinda bad townies, Gumshoe's claim is like...the biggest event of D1. Vivax is immediately questioning what's going on, and doing so in the RIGHT way. Amiko also makes some comments that seem to be questioning the claim/kush shot in THE RIGHT way.
Anyone who wants to lynch Vivax needs, at the very least, to chat with me about his reaction to the gumshoe claim. Just read those posts, specifically, see like pg. 71-73ish, and explain to me Vivax's posts from town perspective and mafia perspective.
Unsure on vote. I'm making a neat little chart of Kita / Vivax / Hopeless / Toad, and what they say about each other. IF one of them is mafia, he needs to be making arguments about someone else on that list, or doing nothing, and so I'm interested in seeing who looks townie or scummy for how they're talking about these other bros. This may be a good idea, it may be stupid and misleading, but these are the folks we're kinda focused on, and there's been a lot of interaction, and I think we can mine it pretty heavily for Good Stuff.
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KK. Those vivax pages and his response to gumshoe. Townie or scummy response or immaterial because nobody cares about that response and your other reasons are way more important?
^ to kita
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On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.
I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please ! What bits of the reaction look very townie to you?
HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS?
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On April 04 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Vivax's reaction to gumshoe seems to be how any player would act. Townie randomly claims and then gets caught in a fake claim. I guess I don't put as much value into his reaction as you guys seem to do.
If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible. Well yeah, not impossibility.
But scum vivax pushing town or scum hopeless, what he's doing is just hammering at little inconsistencies to try and paint someone scummier than they are? It can definitely be read both ways, but vivax probably posting for a reason and pursuing someone for a reason, you think he's decided hopeless can be painted scummy with the inconsistencies?
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Well in the world where vivax is mafia and hopeless is town, hope can be scummy but not scum?
But yeah, I know what you're saying. My words aren't precise there.
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On April 04 2014 04:51 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote:On April 04 2014 04:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia? At the beginning of day one, he argued that we should lynch mafia instead of slam and called a player scummy who settled for the easy slam lynch. Rather than pushing a mafia lynch at any point in the day, he chose to lynch slam mainly because it was better than the alternative. Then at the beginning of day two, he pushes for a slam nuke. If the only reason he wanted to lynch slam on day one was because he doesn't have any scum reads, why is he pushing a slam nuke, rather than using the 36 hours to find a scum read? He is reproducing the exact behavior he found scummy. that is so bad. he is scum for changing his mind? I don't think that's what this says....
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On April 04 2014 04:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
kita should be scumreading everyone in the thread if that's the logic he's using to read vivax
i don't see anything wrong withvivax pushing to nuke slam? It's more saying "slam isn't scummy/is the default lynch", doing nothing to indicate he'd moved away from that, saying we should lynch/kill scummy people over slam, then on D2 being fine just using KP on slam instead of hunting for scum before defaulting to slam.
The play is ... inconsistent? If he doesn't think slam is scum and thinks we should be killing scum, then why nuke slam?
People who think slam is scum or NEEDS to die can call for a nuke on slam because they actively want to kill slam. Vivax appears to NOT want to kill slam over mafia, but doesn't want to find mafia over killing slam.
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Toad's filter is so mega butt at times, like his hopeless read is basically little more than those first two posts. He calls hopeless out on em, fine, then later explains in detail why a two line post is super scummy (fine), and then today just goes on hopeless again.
I wish there'd been ... more. Would make this easier. Not playing isn't particularly alignment-indicative, but just sitting on a scumread for old reasons and never really updating is concerning.
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On April 04 2014 04:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:48 Djodref wrote:On April 04 2014 04:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 04 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:
@ Hopeless
Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ? I didnt think Toad would get lynched. At this point I'm probaly gonna get lynched. Are you town ? Do you have anything to claim ? I'm going to vote you. This is your last chance to change my mind. Here's the real reason i wanted ot lynch vivax: I'm a modified watcher A targetted B Vivax Targetted B I know the role name of A. I do not actually know who A is or who A targetted. This is difficult to read. Are you being cryptic on purpose or can you try to explain clearer or am I missing something?
It reads like you know "x role" visited someone, and "player Vivax visited someone", with both someones the same.
But you don't know who the role belongs to and you don't know who...the role targeted? Wut?
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It's decided. Nobody has any idea what Hopeless just wrote.
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