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On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote:
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down. agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita Vivax hasn't done anything since I expressed an opinion basically, so his town points fade and he's just less town and closer to null.
I don't think we want to get wrapped up in the D1 voting. I bet scum is in the people who have done scummy stuff and will do scummy stuff, and we just gotta find em. Not personally of the mind that we have info to call people out from votes yet, or to know what scum may/may not have done. Like that thought process PROBABLY includes "assume slam isn't mafia."
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Oh there's neat vote stuff.
Toad says his vote doesn't count, but it counts up until the final point. Hope1ess is often presented as having a single voter, and Toad is the only guy on hope1ess.
Sorry for further vote questions, but you confirmed that vote numbers were correct in votecounts. This goes for all votecounts during the day, they all are correct?
kk that's fine on the extra vote. It's also worth us checking who was in thread/posted during those 35 minutes between vote counts. LIKELY but not definite that whoever added a vote was in thread as well at some point.
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Scum generally don't get to create and give out nukes, or invent nukes and give them out, or whatever has happened (I am asleep, snore snore). Unless it's a super nuke-themed game, I don't believe I've ever seen those roles given to scum.
grain of salt
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NEW GOAL
WE SHOULD SCUMHUNT BASED ON ACTIONS AND POSTS AND INCONSISTENCIES AND THAT SORT OF THING FOR LIKE....20-24 HOURS
WE CAN GET BACK TO SPECULATION AND NUKES AND ALL THAT JAZZ AFTERWARDS, BUT WE SHOULD NOT GET DISTRACTED BY THEME AND WHATNOT, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TOO FAR AWAY FROM SCUMHUNTING AND IT'S EASY FOR SCUM TO JUST CHAT ABOUT SETUP AND NUKES AND LOOK THE SAME AS TOWN
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YOUR BIRD GOD DEMANDS IT
#authoritativesquawk
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On April 02 2014 13:26 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc and @kushm4sta since you are in thread
I agree with austinmcc and I'm willing to filter dive a bit to see if I can find something.
Would you both let me know whether you agree with JJD's statement above regarding nuke/kitaman27? It's reasonable, but unhelpful.
IF scum gave him the nuke, then it's LIKELY kita isn't scum. Unless we flip a scum nuke-maker, nuke-haver, nuke-giver, it's entirely not a factor in this game.
JJD posts on kita ~66/67 read somewhat townie to me. I think he's misrepresenting some things, but arguing consistently, and if he was mafia trying to get a kita mislynch, he SHOULD be throwing in that rayn wanted kita dead and kita was a big factor in lynching rayn. Not always, and that bit assumes that kita would be town and this wouldn't be rando-bus in a partial/wholly conversion game. But I think it's a legit point. The manner in which he's pushing kita does not align with how, in my head, a mafia player would be pushing Kita.
Re: Hopeless1der and claiming and fake claims
HOLY CRAP NOT A FOCUS. EVERYONE GETS FAKECLAIMS. CROSSFIRE IS THE OPRAH OF FAKECLAIMS.
Beyond that even if hopeless is scum and the only scum and we win the game because he doesn't know whether blues got fakeclaims or not, that's a TERRIBLE way for us to win and kind of against the spirit of things.
I also think you're misreading his posts, JJD. There are points where Hopeless1der asks is he scum because he won't reveal a fakeclaim, and he's not saying "I have a fakeclaim," he's trying to figure out what YOU are thinking, and whether your actual line of reasoning is "Only scum would fail to reveal fakeclaims, hopeless is failing to reveal a fakeclaim, therefore hopeless is scum."
conversion mechanics mean that people aren't town for doing townie things/having townie roles.
ANYONE should be shooting someone who claims their role for no apparent reason, because HOLY CRAP WHY WOULD YOU JUST CLAIM A SPECIFIC NAMED ROLE. Town kush, mafia kush, planar dragon kush, should ALL be shooting that guy. If you're town, that dude is scum, he's claiming your role. If you're scum, A GUY JUST CLAIMED YOUR ROLE AND YOU CAN SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE EZPZ WITH GOOD REASONING THAT TOWN WILL BUY AND YOU KNOW HE AIN'T MAFIA. If you're planar dragon, you still shoot him. Probably. Whatever. This is dumb.
I've been gone a while and here's some stuff I'm going to do and if I don't do it shortly you should yell at me and call me bad but also still town and still your one, and only, Bird God.
- Reread Poofter. Was scummy, then townie, have not focused on since then and need to see if I still get townie vibes
- Read Hopeless. There's lots of hopeless stuff going on today. Check earlier read, see where it goes.
- Read Amiko. We haven't really been in thread at same time. Read amiko's posts, make a read on him, chat some.
- Ask kush wtf is up with this post given the vote timings:On April 01 2014 21:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 21:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush why didnt you anounce your extra vote when it happened that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something. Extra vote came LATE in D1.
Specifically, the vote occurred at some point between + Show Spoiler +On April 01 2014 05:32 Xatalos wrote:
Vote Count
raynpelikoneet (6) - kitaman27, thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Toadesstern, kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko
Alakaslam (3) - Toadesstern, kushm4sta, Tehpoofter, thrawn2112, kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Djodref, Amiko, Hopeless1der, JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax
Hopeless1der (1) - Toadesstern, raynpelikoneet, Toadesstern, thrawn2112
kitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112
Tehpoofter (1) - austinmcc
JarJarDrinks (0) - Djodref
thrawn2112 (0) - kitaman27
Toadesstern (0) - raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (1) - gumshoe
Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched!
Day ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).On April 01 2014 06:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
Vote Count
raynpelikoneet (6) - kitaman27, thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Toadesstern, kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet
Alakaslam (3) - Toadesstern, kushm4sta, Tehpoofter, thrawn2112, kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Djodref, Amiko, Hopeless1der, JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax, thrawn2112
Hopeless1der (0) - Toadesstern, raynpelikoneet, Toadesstern, thrawn2112
kitaman27 (0) - raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (3) - thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, thrawn2112
Tehpoofter (1) - austinmcc
JarJarDrinks (0) - Djodref
thrawn2112 (0) - kitaman27
Toadesstern (0) - raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (1) - gumshoe
raynpelikoneet is lynched! Let me know if I made a mistake or anything.
but kush was not actively posting in the thread at all during that time. This confuses me and angers me.
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Kush I'm actually interested in this vote thing.
You claim it was a relic from early, but it didn't appear until late, and you weren't around when it appeared. I've never heard of any kind of delayed vote. And while townies lie about crap and try to hide roles and do silly things LIKE CLAIMING NAMED PEOPLE WHEN THEY AREN'T THAT PERSON FOR NO REASON, the timing is a weird thing to lie about.
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WELL THAT IS A BETTER EXPLANATION THAN A DELAYED VOTE
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Mostly okay. He's not done much, was one of the folks I didn't feel great about earlier, and doesn't appear to have wanted to do much.
The whole lurky thing doesn't scream scumtoad to me, but it doesn't not-fit. Anyone semi-prominent that starts as scum in a conversion game needs to NOT do the sort of stuff toad normally does as scum (we're not gonna talk about shadow game), because they need to not get got early on. Doesn't mean he's scum, but it's not inconsistent with how scum toad might play. Can add him to my list of peeps to read right now.
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Will update "mostly okay" after reading him.
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Poofter looks generally groovy to me
On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con.
Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I
For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there.
Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo.
Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him.
Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you.
JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it.
I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. This is the one thing that stands out. His scum is Vivax > Kita > Kush > JJD.
He's been actively questioning folks and talking, and was concerning with Vivax, but I don't see much from him on Kita and kush. This is also after swapping over to gumshoe D1, when gumshoe hasn't done anything more, but now has dropped off the scum list.
Just feels mildly off for the list, but is explainable by things like gumshoe being a good vote for doing nothing, not for doing scummy things outright, and the list itself says why kush is on there. It's also MILDLY odd that one thing JJD has done that Poofter doesn't like is call out kita for a "scumslip" that JJD doesn't think happened. If Kita is high on the scum list, and JJD is scummy in part for scummily calling out Kita, then JJD is unlikely scum calling out scumbuddy. AGAIN NOT PARTICULARLY RELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S A LIST WE CAN ASSUME NOT 4 MAFIA SO FOR JJD TO BE MAFIA THE OTHER 3 WOULDN'T ALL BE MAFIA, BLAH BLAH.
Whatever, haven't changed mind. Things overall are townie from poofter, I'm good with poofter as town.
#townsquawk
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On April 03 2014 12:20 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc: I will be around a little bit tonight but need to start reading another game, so I will be glad to chat with you! But expect some long pauses between posts.
This point was pretty compelling to me.[/QUOTE]If this game were a zoo, and every player in the game were an animal (and the zoo had these specific animals):
Who would be a tiger?
Who would be a flamingo, or fake flamingo?
Who would be a monkey, and please specify whether a monkey species that flings feces or no?
(This is actually a real set of questions)
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I really wish I could continue to say slam is maybe town and blah blah, but I do think that's a good nuke. I've seen frustrated town slam, and weird town slam, but he's not playing like those, and frankly...I don't think he's always a distraction but we've turned him into one this game. There's some info in how people spoke about him.
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Hopeless1daaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This reads townie to me, for one of those strange, not quite explainable reasons:On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 06:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 30 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Hello!
##Vote: raynpelikoneet this is a lynch cycle hm? maybe he wants to vote rayn for doctor mayor? @Slam theres a vote thread why would you think to say that? because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now. On March 30 2014 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote:i do. Why did you vote rayn? Just a quick, dumb response to kita. It's 7 friggin' words but it reads like just an off-the-cuff, response doing mildly townie things - not wanting to start fights, wanting to know reasons for votes. I don't feel super great on this one like I've felt about dumb things in the past, though.
On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions I dislike this. A lot. Rayn has claimed. Hopeless is voting rayn. Hopeless seems to know what a shrink is. From rayn's claim until lynch, hopeless posts a grand total of.....................just this.
i.e. "I am lynching this guy, and he just claimed shrink, and I know what that means. I am reading the thread, but I am not commenting on ANYTHING. Plus i know that the guy I'm trying to lynch just claimed a VERY SPECIFIC role that makes some sense in a conversion game but we weren't 100000% sure this was a conversion game or had shrinks in it, and I'm not going to say anything about that and I will not appear to have any doubts about his lynch, despite him claiming a very particular role and me understanding what that means."
Really doesn't sit well, when I look back at it. If he's reading, and he sees that claim, SOMETHING should happen. Not radio silence. Not a casual response, he's in the thread, he's reading the posts, because he saw the conversation about the Master and shrinkage.
I really really don't like that. It feels like not the right response, and not the right actions. Where right = townie.
He later says this just recently to Vivax- On April 03 2014 02:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
- rayn could fakeclaim. I thought rayn was scum. I continued believing rayn could be scum and left my vote accordingly. But ... still. A townie who sees that claim and understands that claim SHOULD say something? Right? Rayn could fake claim, could be real claiming, but hopeless seems to have 0 interest in the claim, despite being around. Even just saying "Could be fake claim, nice try, die rayn die" would sit better with me.
MIXED. UNSURE. SCUMMIER THAN PREVIOUS. REALLY DON'T LIKE HIS LAST 30 MINUTES OF D1.
On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now. Boo/interested. hopeless, why were you more inclined to mass claim at this point? (This was 40 minutes after the lynch)
Also, would be interested in your response to kita re: kush. You recognize you shouldn't OMGUS him, so just ... don't. But you can still read someone without OMGUSing.
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For the main thing there above, here is the timing so people don't have to go hunting.
On April 01 2014 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
p.s. rayn revoted kita Hopeless's last post before claim
On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few facts.
1) kitaman is mafia.
2) austin is mafia because he devoted all his day in talking nonsense, ending up his vote on a guy who he never tried to get lynched. He doesn't even think i am mafia yet he does nothing to get his lynch through. Also he defend a third faction. rofl.
3) this town is terrible and i am happy i am not in the game in ~40min. noone in this town has balls to stand behind their townreads. noone is this town has balls to fucking push their scumread. Noone in this town has fucking balls to do anything other than lurk or talk shit.
4) town deserves to lose.
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink.
Claim, 37 minutes to lynch
On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions Hopeless saw the claim 8 min ago, saw the discussion about the master, has been reading thread/is around. We are ~30 minutes to lynch here.
On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now. Hopeless's next post. 1:10 later, 40 minutes after lynch
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Why might tigerKita not be confined to a zoo? Also, as this thread's resident Bird God, I would like to know if anyone here drew/painted that Flamingo monstrosity. I am offended by that "art"work, and you shall be punished and/or smote.
If nobody in thread cops to making that, I vote we pause this game temporarily until we can dispense sweet sweet avian justice.
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also thank you for the answer
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No. I do not want to be a flamingo, but flamingoes fall within my domain. I feel that someone must be punished for that insult to birdkind.
Hippo answer is convoluted. They're super dangerous and mean, kill a good number of people every year. IF we've got someone making multiple nukes, adding KP to the board, that person is the hippo. I hope it's a town hippo, and scum are the farmers who get too close to the riverbank, but we shall see. Also, I would be a terrible person if I didn't link this - + Show Spoiler +
Pandas are kush and thrawn. Pandas are generally lazy and slow, but they're still bigass bears and can be dangerous. I imagine kush as high a bunch of the time when he's playing, much like a bamboo-eating panda just lounging around. But if you claim his role, he'll shoot you in the face, showing he's still a dangerous bear, despite lounging around stoned a lot.
Thrawn gets to be a panda only because for VERY LITTLE REASON WHATSOEVER, I kind of think of him as the sort of person that would make a good conversion. Townie but not SUPER visible, and a good player. Toad's thought on who he would convert was interesting, and I agree that kita makes a nice conversion if he were town, but kita was kind of high profile and I'm not sure that, as scum, I want to grab him on the off chance that he gets blowed up today. He had some people thinking they might want to lynch him, and there's a 50% chance that rayn is in the obs thread right now calling us all terrible for not lynching kita like he wanted people to do after he died. People who might get lynched on D2 are bad N1 conversions, so scum probably doesn't look to kita, and thrawn just feels somehow like the kinda guy that makes a nice conversion.
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On April 03 2014 13:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Re: Massclaim rayn flipped town and wanted us to mass claim, so he thought it was a good idea. It worked out in handslaps PYP, though that was semi-open. btw that was shortly after Day2 started, not the lynch. And for the record I'm still FOR a mass claim if we can agree to it. Re: Shrink Claim In my defense, everyone else just kind of brushed it off and went along about their business the same as me. No one panicked and yelled OMG Y U LYNCH DOCTOR?! and I wanted rayn lynched...why would I draw attention to that fact? In hindsight yes this may make me look scummier but I had a scumread and felt that pointing out that the claim could be fake would cause people to scrutinize it and possibly swap over to gumshoe or slam, contrary to my preference. Re: response to kita -> kush 1-I think you mean Vivax 2-I found Vivax to be asking a lot of questions and refusing to put up his own discussion. Since the game opened I feel like he's been casually painting me scum, but someone (maybe you or thrawn) said that the fact that he's doing stuff instead of not doing stuff probably points to him being town, so I kind of disregarded him. However i think his questions are really open-ended and basically kush hits things pretty square with this conversation: Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:57 Vivax wrote:On April 03 2014 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax why are you interested in kitaman's interest in hopeless' read on you? Cause the question like it is doesn't say anything about what kita thinks or what he wants to achieve with it? Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:01 kushm4sta wrote:
ah.. kind of like all of your questions that you have been constantly asking this entire game It feels like Vivax is just quoting stuff and asking different people "and how does that make you feel?" like he's some glorified therapist. rayn loves wanting to do anti-town crap, and all his plans are guaranteed anti-town. 100%.
you think a mass claim is viable when everyone has fakeclaims available? How do you see VTs/blues/scum playing out a mass claim?
As far as the shrink, yeah, people didn't comment enough. I looked up what a shrink was and then failed to comment but also got pulled away, it's curious all around. You stick out though because you appear to be reading but not participating at all, not mentioning the claim really or anything else. When there's some discussion of moving things off rayn and onto gumshoe, you don't tell people to stay or ... anything. It feels like you're just watching and not doing.
I did mean Vivax on that last bit, yup.
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On April 03 2014 13:30 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2014 13:18 austinmcc wrote:For the main thing there above, here is the timing so people don't have to go hunting. Hopeless's last post before claim Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few facts.
1) kitaman is mafia.
2) austin is mafia because he devoted all his day in talking nonsense, ending up his vote on a guy who he never tried to get lynched. He doesn't even think i am mafia yet he does nothing to get his lynch through. Also he defend a third faction. rofl.
3) this town is terrible and i am happy i am not in the game in ~40min. noone in this town has balls to stand behind their townreads. noone is this town has balls to fucking push their scumread. Noone in this town has fucking balls to do anything other than lurk or talk shit.
4) town deserves to lose.
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink. Claim, 37 minutes to lynch Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions Hopeless saw the claim 8 min ago, saw the discussion about the master, has been reading thread/is around. We are ~30 minutes to lynch here. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now. Hopeless's next post. 1:10 later, 40 minutes after lynch Uhh April Fools? Thats 25:10 later Days are hard, yo. I can't play mafia AND be expected to know the difference between 1 and 2.
hopeless is right, the mass claim comment is way after and it's D2 and I am bad at numbers less than 3 and should feel bad.
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