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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 02:52 GMT
#1281
On April 02 2014 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
Also, still 0 chance he's town?
Yes. Please stop w/ this.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 02 2014 02:55 GMT
#1282
On April 02 2014 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:33 austinmcc wrote:
He's posted, and other people seem to be going "oh my slam not scum." You disagree with them? Fine with nuking him regardless of alignment?
I think he's more likely to be survivor but I still think there's a chance he's scum.
Why more likely survivor now?
What do you mean? I'm pretty sure I've never said I thought he was more likely to be scum then survivor.
Misinterpreted. I was interested in the change in read over time, and just saw your comment that way, "He's more likely to be survivor now."

You just meant that he's more likely survivor than mafia, not a temporal thing.

As you were.
Fe fi fo fum.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 02:58 GMT
#1283
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 03:03 GMT
#1284
i was only in favor of the mass claiming because I assumed rayn knew what he was doing and would be able to figure it out. i'd rather hold off on that right now
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 02 2014 03:06 GMT
#1285
I'm going to be in and out of thread this evening - I want to try URFmode!
A few quick comments-

On April 02 2014 08:34 Djodref wrote:
1) I remember that Toad thought rayn was scum. I'm not sure at which point he said this exactly though. The thing is he was not there or didn't do anything to prevent rayn's lynch. And I think maybe he could have done it. So yeah, I'm going to focus my attention on Toad this cycle.

2) That's right, I'm a little wary of kush and hopeless this cycle. kita looks really decent for me at the moment. I liked his argument that scum kita (or any scum I would say) wouldn't push a rayn lynch. It would be a really ballsy move with a possibility for backfire. Hopeless just posted a very reasonable post last page, but I cannot get rid of the feeling that his vote looked opportunistic. Kush was not there, and I don't remember what he has done this game yet, so maybe he's trying to fly under the radar.


@Djodref: From your answer to #1, you are saying that you believe Toadesstern placed the extra vote on raynpelikoneet.
However, kushm4sta has claimed the extra vote. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=56#1103).
I don't really get a scumread off of you missing that point, and honestly I'd still like you to pay attention to Toad, but if your concern is the extra vote you should be attentive to kushm4sta.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 02 2014 03:07 GMT
#1286
On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.



I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 02 2014 03:12 GMT
#1287
@JarJarDrinks: I weighed in on nuking earlier. I just want to stress, I don't mind too much if you use it on Slam or someone you feel is more scummy, but I think holding onto it may be anti-town, particularly knowing we have lost a/the anti-conversion role. Besides that?

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Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 02 2014 03:13 GMT
#1288
On April 02 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.



I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke.


On April 02 2014 07:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
You have received a A Nuke for Slam - by JJD! Type ##Nuke Player (make sure the player’s name is spelled exactly like their full TL user name) in the thread to fire your nuke at them. The nuke must be fired 12 hours before the end of the phase and the nuke will land at the end of that phase. It will ignore medic or vet protection on the target. PM all the hosts to ensure that the nuke was noticed.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 03:15 GMT
#1289
On April 02 2014 12:12 Amiko wrote:
@JarJarDrinks: I weighed in on nuking earlier. I just want to stress, I don't mind too much if you use it on Slam or someone you feel is more scummy, but I think holding onto it may be anti-town, particularly knowing we have lost a/the anti-conversion role.
I don't plan on holding it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 03:17 GMT
#1290
On April 02 2014 12:13 Amiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.



I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke.


Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 07:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:
You have received a A Nuke for Slam - by JJD! Type ##Nuke Player (make sure the player’s name is spelled exactly like their full TL user name) in the thread to fire your nuke at them. The nuke must be fired 12 hours before the end of the phase and the nuke will land at the end of that phase. It will ignore medic or vet protection on the target. PM all the hosts to ensure that the nuke was noticed.

So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 02 2014 03:20 GMT
#1291
On April 02 2014 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 12:13 Amiko wrote:
On April 02 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.



I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke.


On April 02 2014 07:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:
You have received a A Nuke for Slam - by JJD! Type ##Nuke Player (make sure the player’s name is spelled exactly like their full TL user name) in the thread to fire your nuke at them. The nuke must be fired 12 hours before the end of the phase and the nuke will land at the end of that phase. It will ignore medic or vet protection on the target. PM all the hosts to ensure that the nuke was noticed.

So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure.




If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 03:22 GMT
#1292
On April 02 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 12:13 Amiko wrote:
On April 02 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing.
This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.



I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke.


On April 02 2014 07:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:
You have received a A Nuke for Slam - by JJD! Type ##Nuke Player (make sure the player’s name is spelled exactly like their full TL user name) in the thread to fire your nuke at them. The nuke must be fired 12 hours before the end of the phase and the nuke will land at the end of that phase. It will ignore medic or vet protection on the target. PM all the hosts to ensure that the nuke was noticed.

So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure.




If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure.
I also PMed the hosts to see if it can be roleblocked since the post only mentions medic and vet.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 02 2014 03:24 GMT
#1293
@Amiko. I can't really tell but are you claiming that you gave me the nuke here?

On April 02 2014 07:50 Amiko wrote:
I’m back in thread, I want to mostly comment about the nuke but if anyone wants me to weigh in on something else specifically just let me know.

Giving JJD a Nuke
At the risk of incurring a terrible AlakaCurse… I talked earlier about the Alakaslam vs. gumshoe. I felt Alakaslam was a better safe lynch because
(1) gumshoe was idle(town/scum/3p), Alakaslam was spammy(scum/3p)
(2) if Slam is a survivor or 3p, mafia may want to keep him alive.

Of the people who commented or voted, the preference was:
Alakslam preference: Amiko, JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax, kitaman27 (encouraged slam over gumshoe)
Gumshoe preference: Austinmcc, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Alakaslam (obvious), tehpoofter
Did not comment or I missed it: Toadesstern, hope1ess
(Hope1ess did vote slam earlier, but I don’t feel he commented on Alakaslam vs. gumshoe)

I mention this both because it may be helpful for me to review later, but also because I feel if someone was going to give the nuke to a player to kill Slam, JJD is a consistent choice with the views expressed yesterday.

Fire ze missiles?
I don’t feel too strongly about whether you nuke slam or someone else today.
However, my preference is absolutely that you use the nuke today because if you hold onto it you are at the very least a tempting conversion/kill target (if you are not scum/3p already).

I have no objection to nuking slam. I do think it is possible to use this nuke as a stick to ensure Slam helps town, but I feel like that comes with a lot of liabilities.
… however, if slam becomes an irradiated hulk monster, well, may god have mercy on our souls.

Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 02 2014 03:43 GMT
#1294
@JarJarDrinks: I am not making that claim.

To explain a little bit - the item description you have has the nuke as "by JJD". To me, this strongly implies that you created the nuke. But, I can't think of a good reason why you would name a nuke "by JJD" and then claim it's not made by you.

I did spend a short time trying to see if JJD might refer to a character in Dr. Who (or a player in the game) but didn't see anything like that.

I discussed the consistency because it was something I reviewed, even if it didn't end up convincing me of anything important. Let's say that d1 you had indicated a strong preference for killing gumshoe over slam. I would then find your claim that you have a nuke to kill slam as suspect. (it was consistent, though)
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 02 2014 03:44 GMT
#1295
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 02 2014 03:45 GMT
#1296
Or animal or object or subspace tear. Whatever may or may not have spawned the nuke that may or may not exist.
Fe fi fo fum.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 02 2014 03:54 GMT
#1297
On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote:
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down.



agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 02 2014 03:55 GMT
#1298
Gonna sleep, know I haven't been very productive over the last couple hours. One thing I thought of though is that I'd like kush to stick a vote on someone strange, just for a bit. Would be nice to know if he's got a perma double-vote or what.

Another thing to check on that front is when vote counts started showing an extra vote on rayn. If it was timed with kush's vote, then again, double voter mebbe. If the extra vote comes like...2/3 of the way through the day, then kush got some 'splainin to do because that's entirely inconsistent.

Having said that, I'm go check.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 02 2014 03:57 GMT
#1299
On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote:
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down.



agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita
Vivax hasn't done anything since I expressed an opinion basically, so his town points fade and he's just less town and closer to null.

I don't think we want to get wrapped up in the D1 voting. I bet scum is in the people who have done scummy stuff and will do scummy stuff, and we just gotta find em. Not personally of the mind that we have info to call people out from votes yet, or to know what scum may/may not have done. Like that thought process PROBABLY includes "assume slam isn't mafia."
Fe fi fo fum.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 02 2014 04:01 GMT
#1300
Mommy, where do nukes come from? (kidding)

Nuke Timing
On April 02 2014 11:51 austinmcc wrote:
If it were a shot and not a nuke, you could hold it and only fire if you were sure he wasn't going to get modkilled and hadn't done anything of note.

On April 02 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote:
If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure.


It seems to me that the nuke should be fired during the day.
If you fire during the day, your target will not get to use night actions. So if you are targeting a scum player, the player won't get their night conversion. Scum player also lose the opportunity to change their night actions based on the nuke (there may be a yakuza-style role that sacrifices itself to convert, for instance... I don't think that's too likely since no one died n1, but just giving an example).

Holding the nuke until night does give some advantages - you have more information. A flip, a votecount, and more posts.
But, if you think you will use the nuke on a Slam, I don't see how that is beneficial.
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