EPTOn April 02 2014 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
Also, still 0 chance he's town?
Yes. Please stop w/ this.Also, still 0 chance he's town?
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JarJarDrinks
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austinmcc
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On April 02 2014 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: Misinterpreted. I was interested in the change in read over time, and just saw your comment that way, "He's more likely to be survivor now." What do you mean? I'm pretty sure I've never said I thought he was more likely to be scum then survivor. You just meant that he's more likely survivor than mafia, not a temporal thing. As you were. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 02 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote: This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim.It seems like you can wait until closer to your deadline to see if something else comes up like maybe if we have a probable 1 scum 1 town in two people situation we can do like a lynch one shoot one type thing. | ||
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thrawn2112
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Amiko
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A few quick comments- On April 02 2014 08:34 Djodref wrote: 1) I remember that Toad thought rayn was scum. I'm not sure at which point he said this exactly though. The thing is he was not there or didn't do anything to prevent rayn's lynch. And I think maybe he could have done it. So yeah, I'm going to focus my attention on Toad this cycle. 2) That's right, I'm a little wary of kush and hopeless this cycle. kita looks really decent for me at the moment. I liked his argument that scum kita (or any scum I would say) wouldn't push a rayn lynch. It would be a really ballsy move with a possibility for backfire. Hopeless just posted a very reasonable post last page, but I cannot get rid of the feeling that his vote looked opportunistic. Kush was not there, and I don't remember what he has done this game yet, so maybe he's trying to fly under the radar. @Djodref: From your answer to #1, you are saying that you believe Toadesstern placed the extra vote on raynpelikoneet. However, kushm4sta has claimed the extra vote. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=56#1103). I don't really get a scumread off of you missing that point, and honestly I'd still like you to pay attention to Toad, but if your concern is the extra vote you should be attentive to kushm4sta. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 02 2014 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: This line of thinking makes me think that maybe we should consider the mass claim. I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke. | ||
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Amiko
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Amiko
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On April 02 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm too lazy to reread the post but can you shoot your nuke at night? Or do you have to do it during the day cycle? cause this would be super ideal for this situation if we got into a 1 scum 1 town lynch if scum save shot shoot someone else thats scummy and other person stays and if the lynch was town obvious scum hit for the nuke. On April 02 2014 07:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 02 2014 12:12 Amiko wrote: I don't plan on holding it.@JarJarDrinks: I weighed in on nuking earlier. I just want to stress, I don't mind too much if you use it on Slam or someone you feel is more scummy, but I think holding onto it may be anti-town, particularly knowing we have lost a/the anti-conversion role. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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Tehpoofter
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On April 02 2014 12:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: So I can definately shoot it @ night since it gets medic immunity. I PMed host to see if I can use it during the day also. Seems like I can but want to make sure. If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 02 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote: I also PMed the hosts to see if it can be roleblocked since the post only mentions medic and vet.If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On April 02 2014 07:50 Amiko wrote: I’m back in thread, I want to mostly comment about the nuke but if anyone wants me to weigh in on something else specifically just let me know. Giving JJD a Nuke At the risk of incurring a terrible AlakaCurse… I talked earlier about the Alakaslam vs. gumshoe. I felt Alakaslam was a better safe lynch because (1) gumshoe was idle(town/scum/3p), Alakaslam was spammy(scum/3p) (2) if Slam is a survivor or 3p, mafia may want to keep him alive. Of the people who commented or voted, the preference was: Alakslam preference: Amiko, JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax, kitaman27 (encouraged slam over gumshoe) Gumshoe preference: Austinmcc, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Alakaslam (obvious), tehpoofter Did not comment or I missed it: Toadesstern, hope1ess (Hope1ess did vote slam earlier, but I don’t feel he commented on Alakaslam vs. gumshoe) I mention this both because it may be helpful for me to review later, but also because I feel if someone was going to give the nuke to a player to kill Slam, JJD is a consistent choice with the views expressed yesterday. Fire ze missiles? I don’t feel too strongly about whether you nuke slam or someone else today. However, my preference is absolutely that you use the nuke today because if you hold onto it you are at the very least a tempting conversion/kill target (if you are not scum/3p already). I have no objection to nuking slam. I do think it is possible to use this nuke as a stick to ensure Slam helps town, but I feel like that comes with a lot of liabilities. … however, if slam becomes an irradiated hulk monster, well, may god have mercy on our souls. | ||
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Amiko
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To explain a little bit - the item description you have has the nuke as "by JJD". To me, this strongly implies that you created the nuke. But, I can't think of a good reason why you would name a nuke "by JJD" and then claim it's not made by you. I did spend a short time trying to see if JJD might refer to a character in Dr. Who (or a player in the game) but didn't see anything like that. I discussed the consistency because it was something I reviewed, even if it didn't end up convincing me of anything important. Let's say that d1 you had indicated a strong preference for killing gumshoe over slam. I would then find your claim that you have a nuke to kill slam as suspect. (it was consistent, though) | ||
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austinmcc
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austinmcc
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Tehpoofter
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On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote: While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down. agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita | ||
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austinmcc
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Another thing to check on that front is when vote counts started showing an extra vote on rayn. If it was timed with kush's vote, then again, double voter mebbe. If the extra vote comes like...2/3 of the way through the day, then kush got some 'splainin to do because that's entirely inconsistent. Having said that, I'm go check. | ||
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austinmcc
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On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: Vivax hasn't done anything since I expressed an opinion basically, so his town points fade and he's just less town and closer to null. agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita I don't think we want to get wrapped up in the D1 voting. I bet scum is in the people who have done scummy stuff and will do scummy stuff, and we just gotta find em. Not personally of the mind that we have info to call people out from votes yet, or to know what scum may/may not have done. Like that thought process PROBABLY includes "assume slam isn't mafia." | ||
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Amiko
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Nuke Timing On April 02 2014 11:51 austinmcc wrote: If it were a shot and not a nuke, you could hold it and only fire if you were sure he wasn't going to get modkilled and hadn't done anything of note. On April 02 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote: If you can use it at night then I see no reason to shoot it before then unless something else occurs it seems like holding until night is the correct procedure. It seems to me that the nuke should be fired during the day. If you fire during the day, your target will not get to use night actions. So if you are targeting a scum player, the player won't get their night conversion. Scum player also lose the opportunity to change their night actions based on the nuke (there may be a yakuza-style role that sacrifices itself to convert, for instance... I don't think that's too likely since no one died n1, but just giving an example). Holding the nuke until night does give some advantages - you have more information. A flip, a votecount, and more posts. But, if you think you will use the nuke on a Slam, I don't see how that is beneficial. | ||
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