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On April 02 2014 03:40 austinmcc wrote:Vee vill ask zee qvestions here. You really don't want uncomfortable pressure applied to the sensitive areas.
It is...uncomfortable.
Your massclaim thoughts have been:On March 30 2014 17:45 kushm4sta wrote:
1 explain why you think mass claim would be beneficial. On March 31 2014 01:57 kushm4sta wrote:
ryan
Last crossfire game could be solved with massclaim. You told crossfire right? Don't you think he would go out of his way to make sure that wasn't the case with this game? On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever There's no reason there, other than conjecture that you think crossfire has created games that were solveable with claims, and wouldn't want to do so here.
Do you think solving the game is the only thing that could ever be accomplished? I'm just asking why you specifically think a mass claim is retarded or non-beneficial or anything. You ain't said nothing specific.
Also moderately interested in this:On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.
Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.
I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.
What did kita have too much information on?
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On April 02 2014 04:00 kushm4sta wrote:
cause you tell the scum what roles you have so they know how to counter it?
cause scum can recruit the sexiest roles?
he has too much game setup information I thought. pretty minor compared to the towniness shown in his filter though. Given that we had things like a shrink, it also gives town the ability to target actions as well. And possibly allows for people to get confirmed/caught via actions. And cuts down on role speculation about things like votes, because folks have to own up to what they do.
But that's cool.
Any specifics on the list of people that are suspicious?
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On April 02 2014 04:02 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, just so I can get a good picture of things, up to how close to the lynch were you around? ~last post, but I can work some voodoo and give you the specifics.
Specifically, 4:47 PM eastern time for 34 minutes and 20 seconds.
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I dunno if I was in the thread for the seconds before that, may have been in another window or playing a game, but that's when I was gone gone.
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On April 02 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.
raynpelikoneet (6) - kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko Alakaslam (3) - JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivaxkitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneetgumshoe (1) - thrawn2112So the votes looked something like this when you left. Lets assume that rayn and slam are acting logically and would vote for any scenario that would save themselves. Toad claimed that his vote doesn't count so I'll ignore it. Essentially for gumshoe to be lynched, he needs six votes because of critical mass. That means jarjar, djo, and vivax would need to move in the last 7 minutes, which seems possible, but difficult to pull off if they aren't present. slam would need to move from rayn to gumshoe and then one (or two depending on the slam votes) individuals that mentioned that they preferred rayn would need to move. I suppose poofter was the most likely since he did with seconds left, but he was your strong read so I'm not sure why you would expect that. Did you really expect a gumshoe lynch without your vote or was it more an issue that you were busy and didn't think things through (which I'm not faulting you for, I just want to know which one is it) In real time, the second. Crazy exes be crazy.
I can honestly say though that I did not expect a rayn lynch, regardless of whether I was in/out or when I left.
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Based on what I remember of thread at there time, there had been at least one other "willing to swap to gumshoe." Unsure who or who their vote was on, we can all go check if needed.
But rayn continued to post crap, and there wasn't much NEW push onto him, it didn't seem like he was going to garner more votes. After his claim, I figured it unlikely he'd be lynched when there was another target that people were kind of amenable to lynching.
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I'm unreasonably opposed to slam being scum and recognize that.
I think given two choices, I look within kush/toad/gumshoe. Most of the folks I look over seem town, am hoping the night sheds some light on something. Within that group, I'm unsure, most of the rest of folks are null or townie looking, and feeling null on kush and toad make me feel worse about em, if that makes sense.
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PAUL RUDD COULD NOT MAKE UP THE TACTICAL BRIEFCASE.
YOUR STATEMENT IS FALSE
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Actually, I suppose this would make you Paul Rudd, and not me.
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I hereby promise not to auto-lynch your reads in case you are converted and had the scum team correct.
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I think you should start with a read through on your own gumshoe.
Asking you for specifics isn't worth anything when you don't know what's happened.
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I think what someone thinks is less relevant if they haven't read the whole thread. Plus it's like...only 50ish pages given the pregame, maybe less.
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I think there are options, unsure what's most likely until we get a better feel for the game. If there is a chance of UNLIMITED conversions, a cult or something that's upgrading folks from town, it seems like one balance option is the removal of a vote or two, or giving the scum team a single vote or two to use as they see fit, not tied to any one player. If things are more limited in scum growth, less likely they just can't vote, more likely he's town.
All likelihoods just relative to other speculative likelihoods and in the setup that I speculate on.
Hopeless and vivax being more active would be sexy.
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Re the foolishness read itself, I think it's not worth doing anything with.
Foolishness travels somewhere, stays with toad, they meet up with ange and angebrother, foolishness is assumedly going somewhere after toadstay, and foolishness spends some of his time reading the thread, or lying on a bed with toad in their PJs with their feet kicked up while toad reads the thread to foolishness....that seems a bit off.
It's not really relevant to alignment, but why the heck does foolishness read this thread? Especially given that he has part-ran this forum, seems like he's not the sort to read this thread and give toad thoughts on alignment. I suppose that points slightly to mafia toad, being more likely to make something like that up, but mostly it just points to "I don't terribly believe there was a Foolishness/Toad hydra that read the thread and then allowed reads to be typed into the thread."
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I'm in the I have not critically read djo in the last moment boat. One sec.
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Townie djo
I think slam is a good lynch. It's early in the day, he's a policy lynch and maybe lying and maybe town but oh well. I'm still poking around, looking at folks. I'm going to speculate a little about the game, because I don't know what's going on, I know it's themed, and there are clearly vote mechanics and other stuff in play. Queue speculation over survivor and over toad's lack of vote, and what vote-lacking means for the game. I really like the idea of the themed game, am thinking about it a lot, don't want to ruin the fun with claims. More setup-y stuff, want slam to claim to see if we can use his powers in a town manner.
I want to lynch slam, but I dislike rayn wanting to lynch slam, and I think people are right to call rayn out for being a ninny. JJD attacks poofter for this, bark bark (I think townie djo just became part dog, my bad).
I wanted to lynch slam, but again, not because he's mafia. I think it's just a good idea. I'm curious about how austin sees slam and how people interact with slam, because slam is a point of interest.
rayn and kita both town, but making good points, but still just town. I'm confused and wishy washy because I don't understand what's going on, and I still believe lynching slam is the correct course of action. Can't go wrong!
I wasn't around to really shove the lynch anywhere else or interact, was busy, but don't like that we lynched rayn and still think slam is a good default lynch and should happen. Except we shouldn't lynch him, he's really really 3P now. Except we should still get rid of him somehow cuz he's not town.
Here are some reads that I have. I have reasons. They ... read very meta-heavy, because I don't know these players well and it's been 1 day only and so this is what I think thrawn and austin look like. I need to read a little further though.
Overall, there was a lot of attempted interaction early from someone who doesn't seem to have felt sure on things and liked the fallback default lynch on slam, who he appears to have never believed was town, or if town, doesn't need to stick around.
A lot of mind-changing, but with reasons given, and it does not appear to happen in a SCUMMY manner. A lot of folks he hasn't really interacted with, including a lot of folks in the middle layer of people (in terms of like...activity, thread pull, etc.).
The posts he makes decently fit that narrative for town djodref. One thing I absolutely positively haven't done is check whether that narrative fits town djodref. I'm also not a good option for doing that, I don't love the meta bits and am not particularly accurate with them generally.
ALSO IF YOU ARE SCUM AND THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO ME IN FOUNDATION MAFIA TELLING SCUM TO JUST GIVE ME RANDOM TASKS TO DO AND I WILL WASTE MY TIME THEN I WILL BE CROSS AT YOU POSTGAME. I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THIS BUT IT'S SUCH A NEAT COINCIDENCE
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Scummy djo
Don't get killed don't get killed.
THANK YOU SWEET SLAMJESUS. Let's lynch slam, the guy just claimed "not town," some townies want to lynch him, bing bang boom, one mislynch down. (this narrative assumes slam is not scum, because the reaction that djo had seems improbably for scum <--> scum with djo/slam. Having been on a slam team before where he claimed a really scummy action, the reaction was less "let's lynch him because it's okay for town" and more "holy balls that dude be scummy", iirc).
I'm reading things, tossing some questions around. Just gotta look like I'm doing something. Vivax, are you going to do anything? HAHA, GOT HIM THERE. MWAHAHAHAHA. Sprinkle some townreads around on players who look like they might do stuff D1 (iirc, there was a moment where toad was pretty active, and amiko has been active at times, especially early in D1), try to avoid a massclaim but still get info out of others, because I know this game is kind of complex and I want to learn all I can about conversion mechanics and such.
HAHA. JJD LOOKS SCUMMY. MAN BATTLESTATIONS. ATTACK MODE ENGAGE.
Respond to stuff. Minor questions. Doop dee doop. They're lynching rayn? Why? He looks townie what are they doooooooing. Oh well. Let's have this happen.
**********AUSTIN NOTE - ONE THING TO DO IS CHECK THE TIMING OF THESE LAST DJO POSTS OF D1 AGAINST RAYN'S CLAIM. IF HE POSTS AFTER RAYN CLAIMS, I WOULD **THINK** THAT SCUM ARE INTERESTED IN RAYN'S CLAIM AND NOTICE IT. RIGHT? SCUM JUST HAD SOMEONE CLAIM THEY CAN STOP SCUM'S BIG THING IN THIS GAME. NOT GOOD FOR SCUM. AT THE VERY LEAST SCUM ARE PAYING PARITCULAR INTEREST TO THAT. SO SLIGHTLY MORE LIKEYL THAT SCUM ARE INTERESTED IN AND COMMENT ON THE CLAIM OR CONVERSIONS.*********
Give a few reads. My townreads today are different than my townreads yesterday, just keep calling folks town.
*******AUSTIN NOTE AND QUESTION TO DJO - ARE AMIKO AND TOAD STILL TOWNIE? WHY HAVE THEY FALLEN DOWN THE LIST, JUST LESS TOWNIE OR SCUMMY? BLAH BLAH**************
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On April 02 2014 05:57 kitaman27 wrote:
I need you to write a book report summarizing The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This is of vital importance.
This way ^
then
This way v
bark bark
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My narrative for scumdjo is not very good. This leads me to believe that I guess I read his posts as townie and him as townie? There's some stuff to look into there, but it seems either more fun or more believable to me to craft a town narrative and not a scummy one.
I also still don't LOVE the idea of scum just calling everyone townie, although it can indicate newish scum unsure what to do (or experienced scum who can't get a foothold), and all of that may be irrelevant in a game with conversion.s
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See, I just wasted 20 minutes doing this instead of a last thoughts post.
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