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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 01:06 GMT
#1548
On April 03 2014 10:04 kitaman27 wrote:
oh god, gumshoe XD

yeah i laffed, then just smh for a while. At least it semi confirms kush
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 01:20 GMT
#1550
On April 03 2014 10:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Last thing for tonight....what's Vivax's alignment hopeless?

I'm biased...I havent been reading him critically because he's been a pain in my ass in recent memory. If you want me to OMGUS him, I can do that but I dont think it'd be productive.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 04:30 GMT
#1582
Re: Massclaim
rayn flipped town and wanted us to mass claim, so he thought it was a good idea. It worked out in handslaps PYP, though that was semi-open. btw that was shortly after Day2 started, not the lynch. And for the record I'm still FOR a mass claim if we can agree to it.

Re: Shrink Claim
In my defense, everyone else just kind of brushed it off and went along about their business the same as me. No one panicked and yelled OMG Y U LYNCH DOCTOR?! and I wanted rayn lynched...why would I draw attention to that fact? In hindsight yes this may make me look scummier but I had a scumread and felt that pointing out that the claim could be fake would cause people to scrutinize it and possibly swap over to gumshoe or slam, contrary to my preference.

Re: response to kita -> kush
1-I think you mean Vivax
2-I found Vivax to be asking a lot of questions and refusing to put up his own discussion. Since the game opened I feel like he's been casually painting me scum, but someone (maybe you or thrawn) said that the fact that he's doing stuff instead of not doing stuff probably points to him being town, so I kind of disregarded him. However i think his questions are really open-ended and basically kush hits things pretty square with this conversation:

On April 03 2014 10:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax why are you interested in kitaman's interest in hopeless' read on you?


Cause the question like it is doesn't say anything about what kita thinks or what he wants to achieve with it?

On April 03 2014 11:01 kushm4sta wrote:
ah.. kind of like all of your questions that you have been constantly asking this entire game

It feels like Vivax is just quoting stuff and asking different people "and how does that make you feel?" like he's some glorified therapist.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 04:30 GMT
#1585
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2014 13:18 austinmcc wrote:
For the main thing there above, here is the timing so people don't have to go hunting.

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
p.s. rayn revoted kita
Hopeless's last post before claim

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few facts.
1) kitaman is mafia.
2) austin is mafia because he devoted all his day in talking nonsense, ending up his vote on a guy who he never tried to get lynched. He doesn't even think i am mafia yet he does nothing to get his lynch through. Also he defend a third faction. rofl.
3) this town is terrible and i am happy i am not in the game in ~40min. noone in this town has balls to stand behind their townreads. noone is this town has balls to fucking push their scumread. Noone in this town has fucking balls to do anything other than lurk or talk shit.
4) town deserves to lose.
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink.

Claim, 37 minutes to lynch

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions
Hopeless saw the claim 8 min ago, saw the discussion about the master, has been reading thread/is around. We are ~30 minutes to lynch here.

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now.
Hopeless's next post. 1:10 later, 40 minutes after lynch


Uhh April Fools? Thats 25:10 later
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 04:38 GMT
#1589
Only because PYP mini worked out do I think a massclaim could be good. I will probably bring this up each day to see if people change their minds.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 04:40 GMT
#1590
Obviously birdgods tell time using the sun, but when you fly that high the sun never sets.
I'm going to bed, 'night.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 16:51 GMT
#1637
##Vote: Vivax
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 16:58 GMT
#1639
On April 04 2014 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hope, what led you to this vote compared to when I asked last night?

Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:08 GMT
#1645
so that I can be bossed around and not look like I'm trying to push a scummy agenda by tunneling Toad to everyone else.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:17 GMT
#1655
Hey Kita...have you made a case on me recently that I havent seen?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:19 GMT
#1660
On April 04 2014 02:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey Kita...have you made a case on me recently that I havent seen?


No, he never asks you a question but thinks you are worthy of today's lynch.

Okay well...
On April 04 2014 02:09 Amiko wrote:
Right now my vote preference is hopeless1der. I will read vivax's defense more when I get back.

If I still think hopeless is the best lynch I will try to convince when I get back
@hopeless1der If you are in thread please comment on kita's case so I have more of you to read

##vote: hopeless1der

something is amiss here
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:24 GMT
#1669
On April 04 2014 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Kita I give u powah


<3

Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey Kita...have you made a case on me recently that I havent seen?


Nope, working on one though.

Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
so that I can be bossed around and not look like I'm trying to push a scummy agenda by tunneling Toad to everyone else.


What about Vivax is scummy to you? Or are you simply voting him over Toad for self-survival?

Mostly survival. I didn't like the way Vivax was assaulting me with questions and seeming completely oblivious to how my explanations could come from town. It didnt feel like he was trying to reconsider, he was trying to bury me or catch me slip up. However, I'm concerned about Amiko now despite gumshoes save. Whatever, I'd still prefer to lynch Toad. here:

##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Toadesstern
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:27 GMT
#1673
Why did Amiko think Kita has a case on me in thread when there is no such case? Is it because Kita said he'd make one or because he already has? *hinthint*
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 17:29 GMT
#1676
Oh Great BIRDGOD, do you see, from vantage point in the sky, any case from Kitaman that would merit a defense/response from me?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 18:10 GMT
#1686
On April 04 2014 02:52 Amiko wrote:
still workposting so short

@hope I was talking about kita's case on vivax,
You voted vivax but I want comments- do you agree with everything kita said? comments on other people's comments on kita's case? etc

Also @all hope's comment here feels really bad to me. The first half of my post (which he omitted, so he must have read) is talking about kita's case on Vivax, it should be obvious that's the case I am referring to

It clearly was NOT obvious to me when you end the post by voting me for what I assumed to be related to kita's (at the time non-existent) case on me. I'll comment on kita's case momentarily.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 18:19 GMT
#1688
Alright so kita's case to me boils down to Vivax didnt push anyone Day1 and backslid into voting slam, against his assertion that he wants to lynch scum.

Vivax during the day spent a lot of time discussing me/Toad to no avail and otherwise tossed around a bunch of questions that again didnt seem to lead anywhere.

Also on the vote-steal notion, it doesnt make sense to me because Toad knew immediately something was up with his vote. It adds to the stack of things I think are relatively useless/not constructive from Vivax.

My opinion on Vivax being largely not useful stem mostly from my conversations with him where I thought I was being mostly reasonable and direct with my responses and he got nothing out of those discussions and kept tunnelling. Why not do that D1?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 18:22 GMT
#1689
On April 04 2014 03:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 21:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 03 2014 09:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Here's what I'm getting @ w/ my line of questioning w/ hope. The way he words it sounds like he's saying everyone already received fakeclaims.
On April 03 2014 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
i.e. no, claiming doesnt prove anything, everyone has fakeclaims, everyone is probably blue.
Well I'm blue and I only received my role. I was not given any fakeclaim. Here he again seems to hint that he already has a fakeclaim:
On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush.



I think he read this from the OP and assumed everyone was given fakeclaims to start the game.
On March 09 2014 14:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Claiming:
Claiming your role is allowed, but you cannot claim when you got your role pm, who sent it to you, etc. Fake roleclaims are provided before the game and on request to all players no matter your alignment.


I dont hint that I have one, I hint that I knew THIS is exactly where you were going with this line of questioning. It is completely transparent, but trying to claim I dont have a fakeclaim after saying "everyone has fakeclaims" looks stupid, so I had to run "no comment". I should have said "everyone has access to fakeclaims", but I typed that in the moment to point out why rayn's claim is in no way a reliable piece of information.

Why couldn't you just answer me when I asked? Why did you wait untill this post to say that you didn't have a fake-claim?

You could have been like "No, but we all have access to fakeclaims." Refusing to answer untill afetr I point out that blues weren't given fakeclaims sounds like you didn't know untill I said it.


Any response hopeless?

Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 18:44 GMT
#1691
I dont know JJD. I wasnt that concerned with dealing with you trying to solve the game through setup speculation/mod events. I haven't slipped. Calm your tits
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 19:25 GMT
#1700
On April 04 2014 04:24 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.

I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please !
What bits of the reaction look very townie to you?

HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS?


This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment.

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 04:33 Vivax wrote:
Lol gumshoe you're so fucked


Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out.

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability?


Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.-


Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town.




Alternatively Vivax wants to know if he should convert Kush?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 19:27 GMT
#1702
On April 04 2014 04:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him?


Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:24 Vivax wrote:
On April 04 2014 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? Is there any particular reason you join his lynch without saying a word about the reasons just like you did D1 when you fucking genius killed rayn on a whim after encouraging him and kita to go 1 on 1 and then not applying it the next day, effectively shrubbing off as much responsibility for the lynch as possible and not having to deliver any arguments?"


lol I asked exactly that. Are you reading or just getting angry?


Yeah you just did I was still writing.

Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE


This post really seems like he's made his mind up ahead of time. He literally posts the kind of behavior that he would expect from me as town, gets ninja'd by me completely replicating the behavior he is saying he would expect, and then votes me anyways moments later.

This is the same vein that I am talking about when I comment on my own conversations with Vivax. He already knows the answer and is looking for pieces to fit into his solution.
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