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On April 01 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm basicly saying, it doesn't look like thrawn cared about Rayn being lynched despite having him as 100% certain town What others are saying/thinking is that "i'm not impressed by the push to lynch rayn" =/= RAYN IS 100% TOWN. Or at least, I think that.
Also, TOAD. I have indicated that I believe tehpoofter thought rayn was scum but did nothing really to push the lynch recently, didn't try to fight much against people who wanted to lynch slam instead or do other crap.
Do you believe my assessment is correct?
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On April 01 2014 06:38 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 06:34 austinmcc wrote:No I wasn't there and now I am. On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently. I feel no different and still think it's a bad idea, especially when everyone gets fakeclaims anyway. @austinmcc I like most of your posts, but I do not really understand your vote on tehpoofter and it doesn't feel to me like you are pushing that lynch at all.
I talked about conversions some earlier, if you want to pursue that topic I'm glad to during the teatime/night phase. I think tehpoofter is the scummiest bro on D1. And as of now, since nothing much has happened since lynch. I expected to be in thread at deadline but was pulled away by a phone call, was not around for a gumshoe swap. I have not been super pushing his lynch the last couple hours, because people seem unreceptive. We'll see what pops out of chatting with him during the night. Lets talk bro. I disagree you didn't push you case you went pretty hard and fought with rayn about it. So let me steer you in the right direction towards the green light. So you have time to chat? Seeing as nobody else had votes for Bird God, I believe I have been elected. I misscreeched above, and can no longer talk, for I have ascended to a higher plane of mafia. I can only squawk and screech from on high, as I hurl thunderbolts down upon people.
Also the thunderbolts won't kill anyone.
Also I'm up for screeching at you while you talk to me. I just don't have normal vocal functions anymore, at least not that I can tell. I've never been a Bird God before.
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poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim.
Do you believe him?
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Not useful but useless speculation!
Toad has no vote. Possibly has to choose someone else and give them two votes. Maybe we just have a double voter. Not a thing to worry about right now, we'll see how votes look on future days, and whether any specific people voting for rayn are voting for someone tomorrow that has a bonus vote on em.
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Ducks are assholes. Apologies to anyone playing this game who is ACTUALLY a duck, but they are mean and they CAN break the skin and they are just little lake-sitting assholes.
Also it is fun to feed them artificial cheese puffs. Their beaks get all that orange powder on them and they look silly. That is all.
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On April 01 2014 07:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim.
Do you believe him? I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people. I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment. (I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading) Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax? Nono, I want to say do you believe him for fun. Did you believe him doesn't matter, because the situation has changed and his claim has been proven so it doesn't really matter what you thought previously.
Nono, no need for specific posts. When you say you're a meta-based player, he was acting differently than previously, you have only played one game with him? Did you go and check other games of his?
Vivax has posted enough on hopeless and toad that he looks like he actually found a thing he's been interested in and was trying to do stuff with it. If you like magical meta, this is NOT A TREMENDOUSLY GOOD EXAMPLE, but vivax was just scum in III Titanic, and did not post very much at all. Here's he's posted more than there, and him following a train of thought about specific players reads okay for me. He's not a shining beacon of townieness, but I lean town on him and I don't want to drop a Cerulean Rectangular Prism on him.
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re: vivax
It's not just the amount of posting or that he's found a thing, but ... if he was lurky he'd be lurky. If he were causing havoc he'd be posting more and about stranger stuff. If he were just trying to comment and get by then he would be doing that without speaking a bunch on toad and hopeless.
His actions look more to me like a townie who has a train of thought to pursue, and don't really fit any pattern of scum behavior that I'd particularly expect.
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If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere?
You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late.
But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else.
Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period?
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On April 01 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere?
You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late.
But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else.
Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period? I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm  When you say probe for other scum reads, do you mean you had people who might be scum and you wanted to talk to them to confirm suspicions, or you had no scum reads and so were throwing some questions around to people to see whether anything came out scummy?
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On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
is kita a guy who hates playing scum? Not from what I've seen. Capable scum.
Looking a couple things over. On first glance
On April 01 2014 18:13 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 18:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) This post changes my mind on poofter. He's been quite chatty, and this is either a very well crafted scum post (or video mafia people do stuff like this normally), or he's pretty likely town. Out of all the crap you can say for why you're interested in someone's case on you, I don't think you say it's interesting because you're town and think the case-maker is town and therefore you want to get people to comment on it because maybe scum will have some funky and noticeable thoughts on a town-town suspicion.
If anyone is a cop or has checks or does stuff, I suggest doing stuff to Toad (not life-saving stuff, check-y stuff). I don't care so much about the check me/don't check me stuff, but it somewhat fits what I think of when I think of scumtoad, which is ... strange posts and having too much fun with powers and whatnot. I would also GENERALLY assume that there is no role which says "you can't vote." The role is very very very likely to be "you can't vote, and you also do this thing to compensate." Not having a vote means it's likely the other thing, which is likely to exist, is likely to be something pretty sizeable. So if we have cop stuff, I think toad is a solid candidate. There is also the idea that IF this game is somewhat balanced around conversion, ONE WAY to balance a growing scum team is to remove votes. Town gets MORE lynch control than normal, because scum don't just kill townies, they can yoink somebody (all speculative). Small numbers aren't the only disadvantage that can be used to balance out a scum team that may be able to grow.
I'll look kush over a little more, as well as Amiko. Kush was not on my radar at all D1, Amiko got a townpass early from me for seeing some things I found important, but needs more lookin' over.
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On April 01 2014 08:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin what do you think about my post on vivax? As far as that post, I read less into Vivax's bit than you do. Vivax asks rayn how he went from x to y.
I don't see him burying something, or misrepresenting something really. He either missed posts, wants more clarification, is scum, is lazy town, blah blah. It feels like your conclusion is that Vivax isn't attentive enough, that he's just asking a useless question, given that the answer is in the thread and of the filter of the guy he's asking the question to.
It's not a positive thing, but I don't get scumbells off it.
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kush, there was a question about whether a massclaim was a good idea on D2/good idea since rayn proposed it and was town.
does rayn's death and flip change your mind on urrbody doing the claim dance at all?
if yes/no, por queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
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On April 02 2014 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
austin why are your questions so invariably shitty Because your play for the last ~48ish hours has been so nonexistent/shitty.
So gotta start somewhere. Also that's not even a shitty question, I thought a non-shitty one would work here.
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We can also start with "you should go ahead and post your suspicions" since we're later in the night and there's not a boatload of time left to do anything with your suspicions.
We can also start with "thoughts on pure supposition about toad"
We can also start with "Thoughts on massclaim"
We can also start with all of those! Yessssssssssssssssssssssss
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On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.
kitaman looking townie. On April 02 2014 02:28 austinmcc wrote:
If anyone is a cop or has checks or does stuff, I suggest doing stuff to Toad (not life-saving stuff, check-y stuff). I don't care so much about the check me/don't check me stuff, but it somewhat fits what I think of when I think of scumtoad, which is ... strange posts and having too much fun with powers and whatnot. I would also GENERALLY assume that there is no role which says "you can't vote." The role is very very very likely to be "you can't vote, and you also do this thing to compensate." Not having a vote means it's likely the other thing, which is likely to exist, is likely to be something pretty sizeable. So if we have cop stuff, I think toad is a solid candidate. There is also the idea that IF this game is somewhat balanced around conversion, ONE WAY to balance a growing scum team is to remove votes. Town gets MORE lynch control than normal, because scum don't just kill townies, they can yoink somebody (all speculative). Small numbers aren't the only disadvantage that can be used to balance out a scum team that may be able to grow.
Agree? Disagree? Better target? DON'T CHECK TOAD BECAUSE SCUM KNOWS YOU'LL CHECK TOAD AND NOW YOU CAN'T TRUST CHECKS ON TOAD BUT THEY KNOW YOU KNOW?
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Why is massclaiming retarded?
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On April 02 2014 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:
why is massclaiming not retarded? Vee vill ask zee qvestions here.
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On April 02 2014 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:austin, did you care if rayn died? I know you said you thought poofter was your preferred lynch and I know you thought that the rayn was sending you town signals, but did it matter to you if he got lynched? When the player that you thought was town claimed a strong power role, rather than responding "omg guys we need to move votes off him now", you were like "oh didn't someone mention conversion at some point?" Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote:
p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
gumshoe has done nothing but make useless posts. Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 04:49 austinmcc wrote:
I would rather lynch gumshoe than slam, yes. When slam unvoted ten minutes before the lynch, with kush, hope, amiko and myself there are only four votes on rayn. At this point, you can either place the fourth vote on slam, which would become five after thrawn posting his intentions or you can become the second vote on gumshoe, eventually to be joined by poofter or thrawn. Yet you didn't move your vote. Questions: 1) Did you prefer a rayn or slam lynch? 2) Why didn't you move your vote to gumshoe? Yes I cared that rayn was lynched. I am sad that a townie was lynched. I am, however, always mildly amused when rayn gets lynched. On the whole, more sadness than amusement. I did not come into the night yelling WHY DID YOU LYNCH RAYN, however, this is true.
(1) Neither. Rayn looked like townrayn, and I don't like the reasons people give to vote slam. If I have to lynch one or the other, I lynch slam. I don't think it's impossible he's town, but rayn reads like townrayn and my dislike of a slam lynch stems from a mix of slam's play (response to my question about poofter, question back to me) and more of my dislike of the reasons behind it. I'd rather join a lynch I don't like than a lynch on someone I'm relatively certain is townie.
(2) Because I got a phone call shortly before the lynch. Didn't post, didn't swap vote. Honestly didn't expect rayn's death, given the number of "yeah I'm okay lynching gumshoe" posts, but wasn't around to do anything about it.
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