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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 21:19 GMT
#1480
hey thrawn, why do you get town vibes from toad again?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 21:30 GMT
#1487
vivax where do you stand on toad and why?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 21:42 GMT
#1493
On April 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 06:30 Amiko wrote:
wait...

@kushm4sta:
I think you are cleared green, but I would like answers to the following if you are willing:
- You have a vote affecting power and a one-shot vig power?
- If you had one-shot vig power, did you consider shooting Alakaslam / someone else yesterday?


Oh snap, didn't think of that, why do you call him cleared green when you caught up that notion though? It does make me feel less sure about his claim.

Ignore kush for the moment. Your thoughts on Toad?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 22:07 GMT
#1496
On April 03 2014 07:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote:
On April 03 2014 06:30 Amiko wrote:
wait...

@kushm4sta:
I think you are cleared green, but I would like answers to the following if you are willing:
- You have a vote affecting power and a one-shot vig power?
- If you had one-shot vig power, did you consider shooting Alakaslam / someone else yesterday?


Oh snap, didn't think of that, why do you call him cleared green when you caught up that notion though? It does make me feel less sure about his claim.

Ignore kush for the moment. Your thoughts on Toad?


I prefer to focus on your thoughts, as in, if you think Toad is lynch-worthy then you shouldn't be asking me questions about him but rather trying to lynch him? Anyway, I wanna go over the bits you posted with you.

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
**MOD RELATED DISCUSSION**
1) invoking foolishness I find completely unfair, especially as I am the target. This seems to be a huge factor in rayn not giving a shit and yet Toad is still alive and not doing that much. He also mentioned that he disagreed with foolish on how to read slam. It seems that Toad actually had a conversation with foolish about this game.
-----
Actual Scumhunty things:
2) In light of the above, Toad accuses rayn of "knowing he's town" (i.e. Toad is telling the truth therefore he must be town). He also notes that Kita is obv town at a time when it didnt seem like a very reliable read and that rayn was "to watch".

3) Completely hung up on Thrawn supposedly having a 100% townread on rayn. I dont think thrawn was that confident, nor is it thrawns responsibility to save rayn. Furthermore, any time anyone brings up ANYTHING else, Toad's default response is 'dunno, havent read that"

4) Who really thought Toad would have been a decent bluesnipe? I do not.
4a)Perhaps he was trying to cover for the fact that gumshoe hero-docced amiko? (Complete conjecture)


ad 2) Can you point it out cause I couldn't find that accusation in Toad's filter.

ad 3) If you read carefully you see it's not about thrawn just having a townread. Toad's main concern is that thrawn feels like saying first: "Hey, this guy is posting bullshit on a supertownie" and then he says "but I wouldn't lynch him cause of that because he went for strange trap play".

Rehashing Toad's point, thrawn WOULD have considered a bad case on rayn lynch-worthy on its own, but he didn't scumread kita cause of his trap play.

in Toad's own words:

Show nested quote +
the part that you should not be talking about because it's nonsense unless you know peoples alignment and even given that you still end up with a kind of null on Kita, at the very least not a strong read, so it should be even less of a thing to be worth saying instead of talking about the important things like why rayn should not have been lynched. Kita wasn't about to be lynched, there's no need to "defend" him if you consider that a semi-town read.

2)
On March 30 2014 15:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 15:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 30 2014 15:39 Toadesstern wrote:
why should that be modkillable?

Because if you are telling the truth you have an opinion from someone who is not in the game and you even POINT IT OUT IN THREAD.

Hey, if you are telling the truth we know Foolishness has a scumread on Hopeless.
Fair play right?


well duh, that's not against the rules though and it's pretty common and happens all the time. The first part at least. The second part, who cares I've said so pregame anyways so you would have known.

The second part yeah, but you don't know if I'm telling the truth, unless for some reason you do? That's the whole point of mafia, you shouldn't be able to tell if my reads are really my reads or if I'm making up some bullshit. It's literally the same thing, except that you apparently seem to know that I'm not lying about this?


3) Player K makes "bad" case on townread R. Thrawn is suspicious of K (reasonable). Thrawn thinks "bad" case is scummy. (reasonable). Thrawn assesses the relationship between "bad" and A, concludes A is not that scummy for "bad". Moves on to actual preferred lynch G.
I don't see a huge scumread jumping out at me there.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:14 GMT
#1503
On April 03 2014 08:02 Vivax wrote:
This isn't even about you defending thrawn cause you actually can claim you aren't since you simply have shown why you disagree with Toad's case. But the point of it is that in all of this I don't see how you come to the conclusion that Toad could be scum.

On April 03 2014 05:25 Djodref wrote:
Could you tell me more about Toad ?


I wasnt making a case, I was talking more about things I found interesting about Toad. Do you think I dont realize I didn't reach a conclusion? All of my points are pretty open-ended statements, more of a summary of things Toad has done that I maybe find scummy but didn't explicitly say that.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:17 GMT
#1504
On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 08:08 Djodref wrote:
On April 03 2014 08:02 Vivax wrote:
This isn't even about you defending thrawn cause you actually can claim you aren't since you simply have shown why you disagree with Toad's case. But the point of it is that in all of this I don't see how you come to the conclusion that Toad could be scum.


What about my arguments then ?
Hopeless has been Toad's scumread but...
Toad didn't push Hopeless lynch D1. Toad forgot about Hopeless since rayn's lynch. Toad is barely playing.


Toad doesn't have a vote.

Or maybe kush stole his vote.

All arguments I see as of now against him are 1. activity 2. he didn't push hopeless enough for your liking 3. some conclusion-less observations from hopeless which are more about his arguments on others rather than why he should be scum

Until he gets in here and goes through my hermeneutic endless circle of being questioned to death until I'm satisfied I'm not scumreading him for that.

2. is pretty goddamn scummy if you ask me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:23 GMT
#1507
within 10 minutes yes
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:24 GMT
#1509
no comment to all
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:25 GMT
#1510
okay, i obviously claimed blue. no comment to the rest.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:28 GMT
#1514
I choose to not answer
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:30 GMT
#1516
On April 03 2014 08:29 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm gonna nuke you if you dont.

empty threat
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:33 GMT
#1518
On April 01 2014 05:08 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 01 2014 05:00 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game! The game is called -- "The OP says everyone can get fake claims!"

Okay, begin the game.

LOOK WE ALL WIN BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET FAKE CLAIMS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD EVER BE RELEVANT FOR SLAM TO CLAIM A POSSIBLY MADE UP ROLE ON D1 BECAUSE IT LEADS US NOWHERE AND IT IS NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, SCUMHUNTING.

You don't know whether slam is a 3P or not. If he claims, you don't know whether that's truthful or not. Congratulations, you now have one uncertainty stacked on another! This is...not useful?


Suppose slam is a survivor, has a role that we could force him to use in a pro-town or a role that can be confirmed, you don't care what he says?

We don't need to believe him. If he lies, then he lies. If he is truthful, then we get to pick how he uses his role in exchange for his survival, rather than having a neutral player choose to use their role to their personal benefit. In PTP, I was forced to roleclaim as survivor and town eventually lynched it for me because I was shooting townies left and right. Remember?

To be honest, I'd even be interested in hearing a fake claim to give us a better idea of potential roles in the setup.
The OP says everyone can request fake claims.

You can request one and see what powers you are given.

HAS NOBODY ELSE REQUESTED A FAKE CLAIM JUST FOR FUN? WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING? GO GETCHER FAKE CLAIMS!!!

If slam is a survivor, which we can't prove and he can't prove to us, and has a power which he can be forced to use in a pro-town way or can be confirmed by, which we don't know right now, then I believe he would have already said something about that.

If people don't believe your crap, and you have a way to verify your crap, you don't keep doing this. You say "no guys, I can prove it. Ta da!" Your scenario is basically "What if slam can confirm he's not anti-town or not going to act anti-town, but ... hasn't noticed that."

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:41 GMT
#1521
so, whats the word jjd? you gonna nuke me?

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:46 GMT
#1523
haha? Srsly tho, 9 hours ish left to submit for the nuke (today). So unless you'll be around JJD...nuke slam now?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:52 GMT
#1528
Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush.

Vivax, why is it okay for you to keep flipping the question when I ask you about Toad? Not EVERYTHING I do needs to push my agenda. I dont like cramming a case/reads down peoples throats. I think Toad is scummy. People think I am scummy. It doesnt matter that people are less retarded than we'd like to believe, logical fallacies will occur. If I phrase a statement without implying a conclusion it forces the reader to try to determine what my point is and also whether that point is more relevant to a scum or town mindset.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:52 GMT
#1529
Requesting confirmation that Mods are reading the thread
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2014 23:54 GMT
#1530
if/when i get that, I STILL wont tell you squat.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 00:09 GMT
#1536
You still get nothing in the way of fakeclaims. Your move JJD
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 00:39 GMT
#1539
JJD WHERE YOU AT WITH THAT NUKE YO
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 03 2014 00:57 GMT
#1544
On April 03 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Here's what I'm getting @ w/ my line of questioning w/ hope. The way he words it sounds like he's saying everyone already received fakeclaims.
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
i.e. no, claiming doesnt prove anything, everyone has fakeclaims, everyone is probably blue.
Well I'm blue and I only received my role. I was not given any fakeclaim. Here he again seems to hint that he already has a fakeclaim:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush.



I think he read this from the OP and assumed everyone was given fakeclaims to start the game.
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 14:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Claiming:
Claiming your role is allowed, but you cannot claim when you got your role pm, who sent it to you, etc. Fake roleclaims are provided before the game and on request to all players no matter your alignment.


I dont hint that I have one, I hint that I knew THIS is exactly where you were going with this line of questioning. It is completely transparent, but trying to claim I dont have a fakeclaim after saying "everyone has fakeclaims" looks stupid, so I had to run "no comment". I should have said "everyone has access to fakeclaims", but I typed that in the moment to point out why rayn's claim is in no way a reliable piece of information.
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