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On April 09 2014 01:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin wtf are these suspicious posts about ehpoofter i've made? Not the posts suspicious. When you're wanting to talk to me about his D1, it can be assumed that you find it scummy and maybe want to argue that he's scum.
no. i don't find it scummy at all. you were the one who had problems with his play during D1 and I wanted to have that discussion again in case one of us was wrong
...you know, cuz were nearing end game, and it's important to be sure about things?
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well then you misunderstood the intent of the post
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On April 09 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote:
Btw, what WERE you specifically worried about? It's still worth going over.
nothing lol. YOU brought up something a long time ago. I think you pushed it during D1.
well, I care less about this conversation than i did when I originally asked you about tehpoofter because I reread his D1 betwwen then and now and it's reaffirmed my town read
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austin do you remember back in D1 when I asked you that question about hopeless taking advantage of his meta? here's what I mean
in titanic 3 i called him useless town hopeless. here is how he responded
On March 22 2014 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 00:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
koshi re hopeless:
my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure
as for my current town read on hopeless..
a lot of what palmar just said about hopeless is why I'm townreading him. he's just... kinda harmless so far? not only harmless, but he DID sheep the right wagon. I think I explained earlier that I think there is a difference between town sheeping and scum sheeping, scum selectively sheep according to their mafia agenda, while town will often sheep quite willy nilly, which is closer to how hopeless has been sheeping. there doesn't seem to be any malicious agenda behind it. it's simply sheeping for the sake of sheeping, which is actually a pretty good and townie strategy depending on what type of player you are.
rayn and other people are talking about how helpful and enlightening hopeless can be as town and I disagree with that.  I'm not always useless...just usually
so I was pretty rude there, and how does hopeless respond? in a pretty natural and honest way. titanic 3 is not the only game where town hopeless had a reaction similar to what I quoted, I know that it's happened a few times before because I distinctly remember feeling bad every time I call hopeless useless or whatever, because of the emotional way he always responds to it. i will go look through our past games and provide quotes if needed.
how does he respond to me saying the same thing in this game?
On March 31 2014 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:you are absolutely useless and sadly probably town for it Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
17. Hopeless1der - usually looks scummy regardless of alignment i really don't know why I have a meta to maintain
here he does not have a natural reaction to my rudeness. he plays off his meta and doesn't seem offended by something that should have offended him and has offended him in the past. he's actually pretty willing to indulge my rudeness, since he's being called town for it.
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what does lxiii have to do with anything? we didn't try to abuse it, i tried to abuse it, you weren't even reading the qt qhen it happened. and you didn't get upset in there, you got angry.
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me bussing you and you posting a sad face is not the same as town me calling town you bad and your response showing that you are obviously upset
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hopeless you weren't in the fuckign qt when that happened. you didn't even know what was going on. and i was scum, you were scum, so obviously whatever reaction you had doesn't mean shit because you knew I was just posting in such a way in order to win us the game. and your reaction in that game was completely different to how you respond when you're town. in that game you got angry and when you're town you get sad
so nothing from lviii has anything to do with what I'm talking about
and that's why you're voting for me?
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anyone else, let me know if you want me to respond to hopeless case and specify what parts you want answers to.
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that's because right now we are looking for original scum. during all the nuke discussion we weren't. the only times this game where I ever thought tehpoofter might be mafia, I thought that he was mafia who got converted. so kita's flip changes that.
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if you are talking about the red/blue quote stuff hopeless wrote, then lol, those aren't even contradictions. i dont have much to say about that part of his post
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So this part?
"Why is it reasonable that for Day2 its reasonable to consider poof for scum but Day3 poof's Day1 play trumps everything else?"
D2 it's reasonable to for me to ignore my D1 town read on tehpoofter because this game has conversion mechanics and tehpoofter's activity and usefulness dropped off almost right at the start ofD2. This cycle, everything is pointing to 1 original scum remaining, so now I can take my d1 read into account.
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btw austin i have found you incredibly scummy this cycle. be glad that my paranoia about the setup is somewhat limited 
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austin you should stop scumreading me for disagreeing with you
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On April 09 2014 12:12 Amiko wrote:
Hopeless comments on Thrawn
I think hopeless raises three points-
re: poofter
In the first colored paragraph he quotes, you are saying that you didn’t really get a town read from poofter (there were just traces). In the second (uncolored) paragraph, you repeat a similar sentiment
The next two paragraphs are saying that you had a townread on poofter from D1.
In other words, I think hopeless’ case on this point is that you are inconsistent with regard to your reads on poofter – you said you saw him town from d1, but your posts reflect you were unsure.
@thrawn2112: I don’t really know how significant that point is to me, but if you have a response or want to clarify, go for it.
Delays in asking about Doublevote: I don’t feel this is worth talking about, sorry hopeless. I don’t know, I randomly think of things that happened days ago in the thread and ask about them.
Conspiracy Theory: I think hopeless is saying thrawn shouldn’t question the use of the scumchecker because town (including him) pushed for checking kita. I don’t find this point compelling only because we can’t tell thrawn’s motives. If he was criticizing the check as a mistake that’d be one thing, but instead it feels like maybe he’s just trying to get information. I don’t know, so I am not putting too much weight into it.
The first colored thing.
I was saying that the first time I played with tehpoofter (in a different game) I got a super strong new player town vibe from him. I said that I didn't get the exact same vibe this game, but a similar one. Then I explained how it was different and conlcuded that the difference probably means he's town. There's no contradiction there? Me saying that I didn't get the exact same vibe from him this game is not me saying I don't find him townie. I think that's the contradiction hopeless is going for and it's not a contradiction at all. The whole point of everything I said in that post was to explain why I thought tehpoofter was town. Hopeless is forcing a contradiction where there isn't one.
The reason I asked kush why he checked kita is because it made no sense for kush to check kita based on kush's game long kita town read. I talked about this in my case on kush during the last cycle.
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I was too close minded. i made so many posts about austin being lazy and/or scummy or whatnot, but i couldn't get over my assumption that the setup would allow so many conversions. i really wish I'd stopped to consider that conversions might happen after the day deadline
is that what happened? i'm still not sure about who was scum when
well I am glad that I realized how off austin was. but i got owned by the setup lol.
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