I just read kush's filter, and I've come away with it with the opposite opinion I did during D3.. tbh I think kush's filter mostly clears kita, at least for D1. In my big post on kush I mentioned that kush's #1 scum meta tell is that he comes across as super confident. This is because he likes being able to give correct reads because it is easy to do so as mafia. Kush likng to buss is a subset of that, it's all part of kush wanting to sound smart, look good after flips, and the fact that it's easy for him as mafia to give the thread a correct read.

So all that stuff he wrote about kita fits pretty well with how I'd expect kush to act when he's giving a correct read.

On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:

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jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play.

To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think.

Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption.

Yeah the last paragrpah is bad and awkward. But the awkwardness doesn't have to implicate kita, it could just be scummy awkwardness on kush's part. The first two paragraphs are what I was talking about at the start of this post. He sound oh so confident, you can just tell that he is taking secret delight in being able to give a well thought out read and correct read. Kush just likes being right as scum. It's his main meta tell. And the read I get from all the stuff he wrote about kita during D1 is that kush is "being right as scum."

So I don't think kita is mafia, at least not during D1. So did kush lie to us about kita's alignment?

Eh. If kush lied about it then he would be implicating himself or kita should the other one be lynched. I don't think that's very likely to happen, especially considering how far ahead scum was. It's not like they needed to pull of anything crazy. I refuse to go into all the wifom that kush wants us to go into, I think the explanation I just gave is the most likely explanation.

So I guess I think kita is town after all!

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April 06 2014 22:03 GMT

#2496

hey amiko, when do you plan on being around today?

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April 06 2014 22:07 GMT

#2498

i'm just trying to figure out when you plan on deciding on this nuke thing because I want to be around for that

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April 06 2014 22:13 GMT

#2501

right now I'd say i'm most comfortable nuking into hopeless/tehpoofter.

Austin aint mafia, that's just obvious. I think kita is town, and I especially think he was town on D1 as per my recent post. Amiko has felt generally townie throughout the game for various reasons.

I need to reaffirm my feelings on vivax before looking into hope/tehpoofter... but I really, really don't think he is mafia. I think he's too engaged with the thread to be mafia.

So that leaves hopeless (who I honestly completely forgot about until vivax asked me about something) and tehpoofter. Right now I can't think of any good reasons for either of them to be town based on stuff that's happened recently. If I had to guess I would say hopeless would be original scum, and tehpoofter was converted.

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April 06 2014 22:20 GMT

#2504

i dont think it's possible to have 4 scum during d4 if that's what you're implynig vivax. it would have been 4v4.

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April 06 2014 22:33 GMT

#2508

who is rose? the person that hopeless is connected with? that's vivax right? and vivax what was your role again?

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April 06 2014 22:39 GMT

#2511

so hopeless role is that he watches the person the DT checks?

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April 06 2014 22:40 GMT

#2514

i don't know why that would be a scum role tbh..

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April 06 2014 22:41 GMT

#2516

well what use is that role to mafia? i can see it being of use to town, like he might be able to watch for framers

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April 06 2014 22:42 GMT

#2518

so you think kush lied about kita? lol

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April 06 2014 22:44 GMT

#2520

i dont see how hopeless can have a fake role. didn't he announce his results before other people confirmed them? so the actual role mechanics have to be true right? and i'm still not seeing how his role can be useful to mafia