Oh yeah, sorry. I GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE FUN.

Basically, your reads have been mushy or not reads on kita/sorta vivax, and I know you may have reason for that, but also we're playing mafia and it's D3 and YOU ARE SUSPICIOUS and we need real info from you and you're gonna have to take stances and make posts on these people.

So I propose that, if you don't know quite what to make of kita or vivax, there is a WHOLE LOTTA INFO in the last 26 hours or so.

I would like for you to go back to Kita/Vivax stuff, and explain specifically where your thoughts go on Kita and Vivax throughout the end of D2 --> N2. If you end up at "I dunno wtf they are" then fine, but there should be points where you're pushed one way or another for REASONS, and you can explain those, and we can read them, and maybe solve the dang game.

Maybe if you let us see exactly what was/is going on, we can determine your alignment. Or something. If not that, maybe it helps YOU make up your mind, because if you're town we could use you having a made up mind and not waffling on people who are going to be lynch options today.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 21:34 GMT

#2097

OKAY SO SOMETIMES ROLECLAIMS CAN GENERATE SOME FUN

BUT THEY ALSO GENERATE SOME WTF

austinmcc

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April 04 2014 21:38 GMT

#2098

On April 05 2014 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
Uh... sorry, I think the order of operations is secret. But it follows common sense.

I'm cool with secret, but doing a little googling doesn't indicate to me that there's "common sense" behind this. There are a couple discussion threads with people saying it should resolve in different ways, and it appears to be host-specific.

When you say you "think" the order is secret, does that mean you/we can check with crossfire later and get a Host Prime confirmation of secrecy or no?

austinmcc

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April 04 2014 21:41 GMT

#2101

On April 05 2014 06:40 Amiko wrote:
Vivax did you ever put your role PM language? If not would you be willing to do so?
Just to confirm, jailer is
1) target is roleblocked
2) target is protected from night actions
correct?

Generally, JK is RB plus either (doctor or unable to be targeted).

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 21:44 GMT

#2103

I wrote a response but then I unwrote it and am interested in the answer.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 21:48 GMT

#2105

nononono

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 21:48 GMT

#2106

On April 05 2014 06:47 kitaman27 wrote:
~~Heading out to a hockey game~~Claiming my role, then will be back later.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 21:49 GMT

#2107

On April 05 2014 06:48 austinmcc wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yes! Top notch, good plan.

I thought maybe the doctor was inventor and wanted to see what you invented, or whether an invention actually popped out, given my RB. Now those things are less concerning

austinmcc

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April 04 2014 22:08 GMT

#2114

On April 05 2014 07:07 Amiko wrote:
Austin did you target kita n1?

Even if we don't know the resolution order, if you were roleblocked by Vivax then we can assume the same result happened both nights (either your target was blocked both nights or wasn't blocked either night).

Kita if you won't claim your role information I'm unhappy, but at least weigh in on this somewhat if you are able to.

N1 toad
N2 kita

Can't confirm anything about N1, given that toad didn't have anything for me to RB and confirm that I acted, plus he's not alive, plus he claims nothing would have happened anyway.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 22:10 GMT

#2116

I think that for now we shelve the roles and actions and stuff if we don't have clear scum.

Thrawn should either work through his kita/vivax thoughts, or post some other stuff that's good on scumreads and goes forward and makes conclusions and whatnot.

Kush should post his entire role. And also post a bunch of other stuff.

I see no reason NOT to lynch within Kita / Hopeless / Kush today, thrawn as a scummy person but likely not original scum. If we've got a conversion a night, that's another thing to be worried about, but we'll deal with that later.

(And after saying we shouldn't talk about it, we should remember we saw no N1 kill. If the kill was onto Amiko, we check his D1 reads, and assume the protect saved. If the kill was onto me, that would mean vivax or hopeless is scum again due to visits)

austinmcc

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April 04 2014 22:22 GMT

#2119

On April 05 2014 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do I need to start spoonfeeding this stuff to people?

Show nested quote +

NIGHT ACTION RESULTS FOR NIGHT 2:

Show nested quote +

i.e. Vivax has apparently been successful in jailing austin.

It's less spoonfeeding and more worry about your alignment and truthfulness.

At least from some folks.

Either you got your check back or didn't, and you're mafia or not, but when you're not fo sho truthful, we can't just believe you 1000000%

austinmcc

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April 04 2014 22:32 GMT

#2124

On April 05 2014 07:24 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake this game and its setup make me kinda angry, we know shit, the medic suicided, Toad didn't play, rayn voted for himself. We lose two blues in a night and hopeless just drives me crazy whenever I'm town in a game with him. I'm in an awful mood right now.

Step away for a moment.

We have a nuke, maybe.

We need thrawn to actually do stuff since D1.

We need Kita and Kush to join the fun.

If they all do this within 12 hours or so, we have a lot to work with, and we can all be posting as well in that time or whatever. If they don't do this, we have nice, happy lynch targets. I think we've seriously narrowed down who can be un-converted mafia, and we clean that up and then work on who might have been converted.

The claims and setup just get in the way of us finding people who are scummy.

Thrawn is scummy for doing little since D1, and for seeming to take no stance on people who are important.

Kita is scummy a little bit for just pushing people who are likely to town, and WAY MORE for how disorganized and uncoordinated town was D2 while Kita just sat back and let it happen. This is a thing that scumKita has done, from what I know of his scumplay (at least one game). He looks townie early, but then can't keep it up, and while he recognizes how thread is going/when direction is needed/when a strong presence is needed, he never steps in to provide. His late D2 play and N2 play make him pretty dang scummy for me. That's GAMEPLAY reasons, and then there's the tiny bit where in the episode references, the Doctor gets partially Cyberman-ified, and so it's a good town-sounding role to give scum.

Kush has just generally been scummy except for popping off Gumshoe, imo. And that's based on nothing but the roleclaim. Otherwise, he's 40% of the votes on a questionable rayn lynch, and he doesn't really seem to be pushing things forward. Plus his interactions with kita are INCREDIBLY strange - I don't know kita, but this is how I imagine kita plays, and all sorts of kita-meta comments.

Hopeless is also scummy for reasons, and maybe only scummy for claiming, but also maybe still scummy.

PEW PEW PEW SCUM GONNA DIE TOWN GONNA WIN.

Might be frustrating and confusing but we gonna win.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 22:40 GMT

#2125

PURE CONJECTURE

Scum Hopeless, upon realizing he messed up in saying I targeted Kita last night, would NOT say the hosts told him they made a mistake, and would instead say Vivax was scum and try to go for him today, forcing a Hopeless v. Vivax lynch.

MAYBE

POSSIBLY

It feels like an odd knee-jerk reaction from scum getting caught in a lie to immediately accuse the HOSTS of lying and then correcting themselves, rather than accuse MYSELF or VIVAX of lying.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 04 2014 23:40 GMT

#2131

Kush didn't have a nuke yesterday. He shot gumshoe in more of a bullet-y, vigi-y, capacity. The nuke was invented and was sent to JJD.

It's highly unlikely all claims are true, and if they are, it's likely there's stuff elsewhere to balance them out.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

April 05 2014 01:52 GMT

#2152

Mildly here. Kush did not claim the vote on D1, only later when asked.

I am in favor of a check on Kita. I think Kita/hopeless are the best options, and prefer kita cuz greenkita is good kita. Redkita is bad kita. There SHOULD be more discussion, however, and people should also do normal playing-mafia-stuff.