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On March 21 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare what's up? wat to do now? Chill out, I'll paint some adventures and we lynch giggle, djo, hopeless. Cop can check any of them to make sure. Or me for safety sake don't really care. You are doc so you are dead!
This is a good plan. I like it.
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On March 21 2014 06:13 Koshi wrote:The "case" vivax made here: + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 11:03 Vivax wrote:Thrawn, past this conversation you seem to have lost interest into hopeless. You asked these questions and didn't reach a conclusion, and saying Rayn is town due to statistics is a statement I would expect to have raised your eyebrows. Later between 12:00 and 18:00 ish your read on hopeless changes from scum to town, I would like you to explain to me how you had your read evolving here, cause I can't see it, and how the way hopeless responded to the questions below made you feel he would be scum. + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 11:15 Hopeless1der wrote:- waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town - Coag is town- HF is scummy - DP is leaning town - Palmar is town (not green town) Anything else you feel I could actually comment on at this point that wouldnt be meaningless speculation? On March 19 2014 11:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
can you explain some of those things? On March 19 2014 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
most of all I want to hear explanations for the hf/palmar reads, dont worry about coag On March 19 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
coag for seal
HF for being dense and altogether not useful
rayn for being rayn
palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off
DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him
On March 19 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF insists his reads are legit, unless he's recanted his DP read somewhere that I missed. His case on DP was such a farce I question how he ever earned the championship belt. On March 19 2014 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
coag for seal
HF for being dense and altogether not useful
rayn for being rayn
palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off
DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him
this doesn't help me. if you took this post completely out of context and didn't know anything about this game, you'd have no idea if those reads make those players town or mafia "rayn for being rayn" recently you said that rayn should be lynched if he doesn't come back, but if he does come back he's town. I want to knwo about your read on him right now, not related to some conditional crap in the future. my guess is that you think he;s town but I still want you to explain why The issue I have with your play is that it looked looked like you started stepping up activity post-Coag-confirming-himself-as-town which pretty much guaranteed to make you look like the poop you posted for +1ing that wagon, on the other hand i can't really blame you for delurking, but the timing stuck out to me. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote:Crap. Gotta love getting pulled away while writing up a case and then never delivering. Posting what I had, tacking on crappy conclusion, then catching up. Step 1: Original posts on DP + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote:I have a theory. DP thinks this game is scum favoured. DP likes keeping his town ratio up. DP requests scum so as not to lose town win ratio. DP is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/poLOdtj.png) On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:DP is legitimately scum. On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:50 DarthPunk wrote:Almost Forgot! On March 15 2014 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Before I get my role PM
If I am vig I will Vig Coag
If I am town I will try to lynch Coag
If I am scum I will shoot Coag
If I am scum I will try and lynch Coag ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GpuKR9R.jpg) and here is the proof: Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 09:37 DarthPunk wrote:
/out because of hydra's. They are OP as town and Crap as scum and honestly I don't see the point unless it is like a themed hydra game.
Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I hope you realise that coag is an OMGUS hydra so don't try and meta him PPL. Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. (witchcraft as town) and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down First bit is trolly. The last couple posts are either intending to draw a reaction from DP, start the game rolling, all that good jazz (townie), or are bad reasons to call someone mafia. Asstons of people push RNG lynch and never do it. People talk policy and never do it. People say LAL and never do it. People call for policy lynches or not policy lynches of specific players all the time and never do either. Nobody, nobody is mafia for the specific reason that they think hydras are good as town and bad as scum but then votes to lynch them, in opposition to what is basically a one-liner in another game with a stupid policy comment. So either he's trying to draw reactions or he's got really questionable logic. Step 2: Flare pushes forward + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
That's not very scoobydoo...I'd rather lynch holy based on that casework. 2nd scum found! Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay guys, host made a boo boo. you cant lynch him. Show nested quote +
Phoenix: Well, I knew Sentinel couldn't have been responsible because he was the host and it was just a mistake on his part putting that extra person there to frame somebody! So, logically, there is a real bad guy out there! We just have to find him by tomorrow.
Follows the theory presented by Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney! but refuses to acknowledge that it happened and wants to frame town member Holyflare as the culprit! Inexcusable scum behaviour. Who is our day 3 lynch? On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote:How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it. Follow me. Oh scummy number 2. On March 19 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Read the last few posts of DP's. "Hmm Holyflare did this as scum.. Hmm, Holyflare did this as town! Hmm, it's best to just let him post and it's pretty straightfoward! Hmmmmm..... maybe Holyflare is scum"
wtf is that? There's no strong entry questioning a lot of logic, there's no pointing out errors there's nothing.. just pointless wifom, interesting that you liked that weak as hell post though Palmar. On March 19 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
joy?
Nothing really, he gets angry as both alignments sure. Yet, to push him slightly and get those overly defensive posts at the same time as spreading useless posts is actually hinting more at a scum alignment to DP. It's like trying to troll while spreading doubt and when he gets called out on things it's "oh but it was just a joke see?". I don't think it looked too jokey, or more - too trying to be jokey with a hint of truth than anything.
Look at his opening in town games, it's always inquisitive, questioning, pushing! Here, it is not. On March 19 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
But koshi that is overdefensive. He should know people are wrong about him and realise they are making up shit and then people idly sheeping look scummy as hell but the over paranoia of everyone thinking you are scum is scummy though. Flare still has DP mafia, and makes a good point about overdefensiveness after being called out. If he was fishing for reactions/trying to get game rolling, he hit something and ran with it. Keep that in mind. However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Again, either Flare is doubling down and really trying to draw out reactions from more people now or he's got really really really really really questionable logic. Step 3: FollowupI'm not, ya big dingus. I asked Flare for his current thoughts about DP because, again, I don't know what Flare's agenda is early. That's why I wanted a current read. I expect either: (1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote:
The red reply thing? That was good.
3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply.
rayn kept up pressure.
Coag kept replying. With more caps.
I don't see overdefensive. Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive. On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm. What does that mean? I think you are scummy scum. Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless. I liked what Kush said. On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote:
pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush. For this post: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be. I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- (2) I thought he was scummy at the start, then he's done x and y, so now I've altered my read a little bit. Shows Flare thinking about the thread, actually updating his read with whatever DP does, generally trying to figure out someone's alignment without knowing it. (3) Tunnel city without going back and discussing fishing/whatever. Think of Flare's suspicion of DP as a building that Flare is constructing. Flare built one good story of the building up high, noting that DP never followed up the hopeless questions. But the bottom of the building was constructed poorly, it doesn't bear the weight of the top. His initial DP suspicion is for a strange policy/hydra reason that I don't think has anything to do with alignments. He added a suspicion of hopeless based off the idea that hopeless should be thinking that Flare busses everyone always. He built his early game out of bad suspicions. When Flare returned to thread with nothing but more reasons why DP is mafia and only mafia, it showed me that he was just piling on and on, building off this very early suspicion that shouldn't have been legitimate. The fact that I think the bit about DP never following on hopeless questions is immaterial to a read on Flare. Whether Flare is town or mafia, he needs to be finding things that DP has done that are scummy to push his read. It's not like mafia Flare would only be presenting crappy reasons, he has to find something decent to push. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 20 2014 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless who do you think is mafia? No good answer atm. I wouldnt lynch Holy but I dont like him much. Giggles: On March 19 2014 08:58 Giggletummy wrote:On March 19 2014 08:56 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 08:47 Giggletummy wrote:On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote:
The red reply thing? That was good.
3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply.
rayn kept up pressure.
Coag kept replying. With more caps.
I don't see overdefensive. Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive. On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm. What does that mean? I think you are scummy scum. Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless. I liked what Kush said. On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote:
pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush. For this post: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be. I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- replying for reasons Also what is this? It is me noting something for reasons. Will discuss later, want to talk to Flare I want this followup Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 06:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 20 2014 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean to put it another way, the Scooby Doo nonsense has led him to his best (and only?) scumread of the game - so how can he possibly believe that it's not productive? i really like this point. I also want an excuse to not sheep palmar or rayn for the lulz ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jZ7vEnT.png) Hopeless, the followup is right there, in your face. You still want it for some reason, then don't comment on it and sheep a point VE made in a seemingly semi-trolly mood. This is in strong contrast to the start you delivered where you went instascum on HF, dead-serious. So please read that post by giggle and give me a conclusion, with YOUR reasoning. I still don't understand who he is targetting. Is it thrawn and Hopeless or only Hopeless?
I believe it was on both of us, the first bit is about how thrawn's read of me makes no sense and the 2nd is how I didn't see the obvious case GT posted/subsequently asked about. p.s. i cant read gud.
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On March 21 2014 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 21 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2014 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare what's up? wat to do now? Chill out, I'll paint some adventures and we lynch giggle, djo, hopeless. Cop can check any of them to make sure. Or me for safety sake don't really care. You are doc so you are dead! This is a good plan. I like it. You like the plan where we lynch you? 
that was in order, right? If so, then yes I'm good being lynched day4.
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Day 1 End of Day Vote Count
DarthPunk (0): Holyflare
Coagulation (0): DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112
Holyflare (0): Giggletummy
Tehpoofter (1): DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk
Hopeless1der (0): raynpelikoneet
djodref (1): Oatsmaster, Koshi, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet
Giggletummy (2): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, DarthPunk, Tehpoofter, Djodref, DarthPunk
Vivax (9): raynpelikoneet, DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Hoplesss1der, Giggletummy, thrawn2112, Holyflare, thrawn2112, Djodref
Not Voting: Alakaslam
No particular reasons or conclusions yet, just wanted to paint some more colors.
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On March 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Hopeless one thing. This: Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 07:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'll be perfectly honest, i'm voting GT due to self preservation. VE could have been interpreted as saying something similar even if he wasnt as articulate. Given the nice vote chart you just posted how do you explain this self-preservation thingy?
you caught vivax as scum and i voted accordingly...or i was forced to bus-hammer because someone else was going to and i wanted the cred for it.
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On March 21 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the vote count at that time: Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 07:51 geript wrote:
DarthPunk (1): Holyflare
Coagulation (0): DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112
Holyflare (1): Giggletummy
Tehpoofter (1): DarthPunk
Hopeless1der (0): raynpelikoneet
djodref (3): Oatsmaster, Koshi, thrawn2112
Giggletummy (3): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, VisceraEyes,
Not Voting: djodref, Vivax, tehpoofter, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der
Basically I didn't have a strong read on GT being scum, I just didnt want people coming after me because I'm a a coward like that. I would also say that I believed thread sentiment to be perfectly able to crush me and while it does amazing things for my activity, I don't exactly enjoy having to fight from under a lynch.
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and at this point if i were to say GT was scum, it'd be more based on Vivax ignoring GT in his later posts than anything that GT has done himself.
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hey plammar, would you really have tried to get djo lynched because he said he re-read the thread?
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On March 21 2014 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless is fine as long as he sheeps the right people even if he does not do anything else.
When there is 1 mafia left and he still has not done anything then lynch him maybe.
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On March 21 2014 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If anyone is aware of a scum game where HF goes HAM all fucking D1 can you link me plz?
define goes ham. he was decently active in cultured imo, comparable to this game but I'm biased i guess
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On March 21 2014 07:22 Djodref wrote:@DPWhy did you unvote a few minutes after rayn posted his first post about Vivax inchorence ? Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VIVAX:
You said you were on page 40 when you stated your scumreads were Hopeless/thrawn.
However in your cases you present later every piece of evidence you point out happens after page 40.
Should i lynch you for this? And if not, why? Because i think you are full of shit.
On March 20 2014 23:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:29 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2014 23:26 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
What benefit does mafia have from lying about a god damn fact checkable page number? You flat out unvoted a 100% scum suspect confirmed liar to vote someone who agreed with you but was afk because you were sheeping sentiment and said nothint about his case that followd your logic now the second someone says something aboit page numbers not adding up you unvote from your 2 TOP scum reads because...? Oh yeh page numbers totally scum slip ggggg so much pro skill here.
What you don't say and what rayn didn't say is that the reason he could be mafia because of the page number thing is that he picked 2 targets abd used their filters to make cases thus the age numbers do not make sense because he was grasping at straws to make cases. You do not do that. You don't play this game like a towny. I mean that is a good point. But why are you (Vivax) making cases then without reading the whole fucking thread? especially taking shit out of the context that you could not possibly understand, cause you know, he hadn't read that part of the thread. Which is what you did with your unvote before fact checking. Also the fact that what you said makes it even more unlikely for him to be scum because why lie about a page number so why are you voting him straight away? I have read the whole thread. And I did unvote before fact checking. Then fact checked. And voted. Sounds like a pretty solid process to me. He lied about it holyflare, when under pressure from rayn, which is generally when scum will lie. It's honestly not hard to understand.
comeon djo
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On March 21 2014 07:26 Djodref wrote:@GTWhat do you think about these assumptions ? + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2014 06:54 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref and giggletummy.
What mislynches mafia tried to push throughout D1 and why? Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it. I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually... Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help. I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to. In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything. Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum. In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case. So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one. I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players.
He bussed Suki pretty damn hard in cultured. But that was a bus, so maybe not what you want to see?
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ebwop wrong quote...
On March 21 2014 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
HAM as in going after someone hard, making textbook sized cases and just generally making it impossible to see him as scum. The only one I know about is Survivor Series.
stupid scroll wheel i need a new mouse
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On March 21 2014 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like:
"hey let's call one scumbuddy scum too"
"oh shit he is actually being voted, let's not call him scum any more"
and of course you of all people know this, but he "thought GT was posting well" after being called out, not before. post-hoc etc etc
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djo is obviously confused. do you really think he has the balls to call himself a mislynch this hard and waste all this time?
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On March 21 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
djo is obviously confused. do you really think he has the balls to call himself a mislynch this hard and waste all this time? I don't understand what this means?
i mean he JUST came to the conclusion that he and GT were mislynches because mafia didnt do anything. He then immediately turns around and says palmar is scum because he did stuff. It happened too fast for it to make sense from a scum perspective, at least I think I would personally be far more aware of whats coming out of my mouth.
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On March 21 2014 07:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2014 07:44 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2014 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
djo is obviously confused. do you really think he has the balls to call himself a mislynch this hard and waste all this time? I don't understand what this means? because mafia roll over and die when they get called out No they don't. that was so beyond sarcastic i have no idea how it has gone so far over your head
you need to start tagging things..
holyflare so gud /sarcasm
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On March 21 2014 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 21 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2014 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
djo is obviously confused. do you really think he has the balls to call himself a mislynch this hard and waste all this time? I don't understand what this means? i mean he JUST came to the conclusion that he and GT were mislynches because mafia didnt do anything. He then immediately turns around and says palmar is scum because he did stuff. It happened too fast for it to make sense from a scum perspective, at least I think I would personally be far more aware of whats coming out of my mouth. There is this thing where you are trying to push an idea which is not true in the first place so it's more likely you fuck up something when people ask you questions and demand answers which you have not thought about already.
Yeah, but to me it looks like he's trying to work things out instead of stumbling through his previous narrative.
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DP switches from unknown player while having support from confirmed scum to lynching said confirmed scum. Wow. Such scum. How bus. Very lynch.
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