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On March 19 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote: ie: coag should be modkilled. If he isn't, I'm just not gonna care about it. If he's town, fine, if he's scum, the game was rigged and is invalid. This is dumb, even for you palmar.
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for the sake of transparency, I did not read the game holy is talking about. I know that he "caught" his scumbuddy off of "scooby doo" and completely fooled rayn and the rest of town in cultured. In that game it was both true and a moderately reliable tell that he used. This game he did not have that in his push on either DP or me.
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On March 19 2014 10:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote: for the sake of transparency, I did not read the game holy is talking about. I know that he "caught" his scumbuddy off of "scooby doo" and completely fooled rayn and the rest of town in cultured. In that game it was both true and a moderately reliable tell that he used. This game he did not have that in his push on either DP or me. because i've made like 1 post with paint in it? you called DP scum for pregame banter and outright bullshit and then me scum because I called you out for it...what does paint pictures have to do with it?
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:26 suki wrote:Someone tell me what HolyFlare is doing. In the meantime: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1qmRs4h.png) so you are saying this was the post you "scoobydoo'd" suki with in culture? I dont know what scooby doo means, i inferred that it simply meant caught a scummer.
At any rate, all this results in is that Really Small (i think, whatever game you caught GGTemplar in referred to below) and Cultured both show you using this "method". There was a reason for it, and afaik it came down to
On February 26 2014 21:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting: So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail? Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.
Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list
Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning? I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.
I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key. Also I might lynch JJD.
Well in really small mafia I did the scooby doo thing and the way I caught GGTemplar was from his joining in with the mini game while questioning what the hell was going on and perpetuating that I was clogging up the thread. Suki did a similar start to this but didn't perpetuate it, hence why I wanted to let her post more to see if she would. Either way, her posting style was quite evident in her town games and I haven't seen it here yet but she's promised to deliver more later so I can only wait and see. My initial comments were that your case on DP hinged on him /outing due to hydras then policying hydras (i.e. bullshit pregame stuff). Its stupid and terrible and by no means should anyone have considered it a scumtell.
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On March 19 2014 11:10 thrawn2112 wrote:hi hopeless. this is for you + Show Spoiler +can you answer dp's question? - waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town
- Coag is town
- HF is scummy
- DP is leaning town
- Palmar is town (not green town)
Anything else you feel I could actually comment on at this point that wouldnt be meaningless speculation?
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coag for seal HF for being dense and altogether not useful rayn for being rayn palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him
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HF insists his reads are legit, unless he's recanted his DP read somewhere that I missed. His case on DP was such a farce I question how he ever earned the championship belt.
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i cant do that thrawn. rayn would be town due to statistics, not because of a particular read. p.s. i'm going to bed now.
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Actually Holyflare's case on Hopeless is really good. I think Hopeless is mafia. He in fact DID reference to the scooby-doo game where Holyflare was town, he used the exact wording so he has read the game. Then he gives another example fully knowing Holyflare has done the same thing as both alignments and therefore his "case" (or accusation, i don't even know what the hell that is) is an outright lie. Hopeless is mafia, Holyflare is town. I have no fucking idea why DarthPunk does not get that. I also don't get why he is fixated in me/Coag thing. There is nothing to say about it and Holyflare apparently does not think either of us is mafia because he has not brought that up. DP thinks both of us are town, why the fuck does he want to question anyone about it? Maybe he is scum.
Hopeless says this: Show nested quote +- waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town This is complete bullshit. Absolutely terrible logic. I am either town in which case you should not lynch me or i am scum in which case you should lynch me. This is "if this happens then X if not then Y", not a read. That dude is mafia. thrawn looks much better for pointing this out. Especially this line from Hopeless: Second time his story does not match with what he said earlier. Earlier he clearly said "otherwise he's likely town", and when thrawn points out the "conditional crap" (i loved that thrawn) he suddenly does not have a read any more, which is contradictory to what he said before. Lynch with fire. Mafia.
Rayn assert's I have flat out lied. You are free to draw a conclusion Palmar.
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On March 19 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi. he was constantly explaining why coag was not scum. In light of the fact that there are only two alignments in the game, a binary function of notscum=town should apply.
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On March 19 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:10 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote: The only thing odd about koshi is when he said coag wasn't overdefending but agreed when coag said dp was overdefending for a lot less What do you conclude about that? Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that. Talk about thrawn please How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets. Should we lynch thrawn for it? I want to discuss him and it's nothing to do with association it's reads that don't add up with motives: Says me and dp are town but wary that one of us is full of crap - gives himself a scum on one clause Says i could be scum because of fluff related to dp but ignores everything else Says dp could be scum because of x, y, z, a, b, c but the doesn't poe dp after saying all the things I've pointed out about dp. Either he agrees with me in which case i shouldn't be poe'd because he's sheeping me or he disagrees with me and i shouldn't be poe'd because he said I'm probably town It's a fault of mindset This reminds me of hogwarts when we had an internal check on our house and I PoE'd it down to you right after I finished calling you (and everyone else in our house) town.
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On March 19 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 19 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi. he was constantly explaining why coag was not scum. In light of the fact that there are only two alignments in the game, a binary function of notscum=town should apply. Show me one legit reason from Koshi's posts that can be considered as a towntell. notscum=town to me until explicitly stated null or otherwise.
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On March 19 2014 22:31 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless it's like i care but i really don't. This is nothing like hogwarts, there's no red check it's thrawn posting something that doesn't make sense. Either respond about it or respond to something else but stop using scenarios that don't apply. It is a very similar situation. I called you town, then I was coerced into naming one of our house scum so I resorted to PoE.
Thrawn has no such pressure on him and did it of his own free will but the mentality of "one of them is probably scum, which one...hmmm...this guy" still applies.
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like about how i lied and i'm scum? Because I've either addressed those or I'm ignoring them as ridiculous. Also waiting on Palmar to decide if he thinks I lied before I reiterate my points.
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On March 19 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't think you lied about the scooby doo thing if that helps basically i didn't want you trolling like what you pulled in cultured so I got on your case as soon as I saw you doing ridiculous things. The Phoenix Wright stuff looked like pregame-plan, or you draw really well really fast. Based on the adventures of kiterayn, I don't think you can draw that well on demand.
Your case on DP is based on his pre-game assertion that he dislikes hydras and was at one point willing to /out because of it. You used a mindset that can't be assigned to an alignment and when DP was consistent with it, tried to spin it to make him look scummy in-game because it allowed him to push scum-agenda. This is after you call your read
On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:DP is legitimately scum. But I'm the bad guy for taking you even remotely seriously.
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On March 19 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: The second point is Hopeless said "...otherwise rayn is town" which clearly means he has formed some sort of a read on me. After thrawn questions him about this read he says "i don't have a read on rayn, it's purely based on statistics". One of those two statements must be bullshit because they can't both be true. Direct quotes if you please. You're wrong
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On March 19 2014 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can't possibly say "if he comes back he is likely town" unless you have a read on me. That's impossible. I damn well can, because I did. What you mean to say is that I can't believe that if I am town, which again, is false because I do believe it.
The word I was looking for was "likely", because statistically, with nothing else to consider, every player is more likely to flip town. Basic probability. i.e. null if you prefer that way of looking at it. If you didn't come back after ragequitting on coag's seal you'd be scummy because rayn doesnt do that shit as either alignment.
You're active and doing stuff. That doesnt go one way or the other in your case for who's team you're on. You're likely to be town because scum will shoot you if you are and I wont need to worry about it. That's a horrible lapse in logic but it's likely true regardless.
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On March 19 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless do you think VE is likely town? not really, but thats because of his own disappearing act. similar to GT's. they're are reasons that I would support behind lynching them but not actual scumreads.
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On March 20 2014 00:35 Giggletummy wrote: Flare/hopeless, and to a lesser extent DP.
hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games? Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer?
I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit? I generally lurk and make random one-liners until I'm threatened with lynch. Regardless of alignment. I guess I'm more light and open as town? The usual, stereotypical, cliche tells.
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On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!! rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small.
I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar.
There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles.
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