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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 00:18 GMT
#3116
No if thrawn is scum that makes me bad for changing my mind on him so we can't have that
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 10:12 GMT
#3190
On March 22 2014 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote:
Holyflare getting shot gives the DP=scum theory more credence, but I dread having to wade through that filter.


What? Why the fuck would I shoot holyflare if I was scum. That was a perfect anti-town argument. Holy was clearly not getting me lynched and that would have been great for me to shit up the thread with him if I was scum.

Chill I did not say I wanted to lynch you, it's just something worth noting.

I don't believe in associative evidence anyway so you're fine.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 10:12 GMT
#3191
I think we should lynch VE.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 10:48 GMT
#3194
To clarify the case:

On page 69 VE posts this:

On March 20 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 20 2014 05:57 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
rayn I'd like you to explain why you think thrawn is town. HF raised a really good point about thrawn leaving DP off his PoE list earlier and I don't really know how you missed that. It's pretty blatant.


Seriously I'm getting like no respect this game.

My point about thrawn's third town read being absolute horseshit is far better.

Palmar you haven't mentioned a single point I've raised about anyone or anything. I don't care if you're butthurt about not being listened to, at least you're being townread for it. I'm being scumread by people who should know better and you don't hear me bitching.


I immediately respond (same page)

On March 20 2014 06:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:57 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
rayn I'd like you to explain why you think thrawn is town. HF raised a really good point about thrawn leaving DP off his PoE list earlier and I don't really know how you missed that. It's pretty blatant.


Seriously I'm getting like no respect this game.

My point about thrawn's third town read being absolute horseshit is far better.

Palmar you haven't mentioned a single point I've raised about anyone or anything. I don't care if you're butthurt about not being listened to, at least you're being townread for it. I'm being scumread by people who should know better and you don't hear me bitching.

Who is scumreading you?


Slightly later in the same conversation VE mentions my read on him being shit, when I point out that I don't really have a read on him at the time, he clarifies that he means a historical read.

On March 20 2014 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 20 2014 06:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about rayn? Talk to me if you have a problem with me, not Palmar. Palmar's read on me is shite.

What is my read on you?

I'm curious, cause I don't really have one at the moment.

I'm talking about historically - the last two games we've played together you've called me scum in spite of my contributions. Just because you can't recognize good logic when you see it doesn't mean I'M bad, and just because I'm not posting as much as you'd like doesn't make ME wrong. I'm not referring to your read on me in this game, I'm referring to your "read" on me in general. It's pretty abysmal bro, no offense.


When I read the post above, I think it is pretty clear VE is aware that I don't have a read on him this game. This is important for later.

I poked VE to answer my simple question, or what should have been a simple question, both on page 116 and 134.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21034421
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21036082

In the end I manage to extract an answer. This is VE's initial answer.

On March 22 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 21 2014 17:59 Palmar wrote:
VE still hasn't answered me who was scumreading him at the time.

The reason I'm so insistent on getting the answer is that I don't think anyone was. In fact if I recall correctly people were being like super reasonable about him being afk, and then he comes back moaning that people have a scumread on him, which seems like massive oversensitivity about his own alignment.

If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum.


So apparently the 4 people thought he was scum. I'm going to concede two of them to VE. Poofter did in fact draw that venn diagram with VE on the scummy side, and rayn sort of flip-flopped back and forth on VE throughout the day (I cba checking rayn's enormous filter to see if the timing matches up).

The other two, I have shown to be false, and in fact, now I have also demonstrated that VE was at the time fully aware that I did not have a scumread on him (based on our interaction where he starts shitting on my historical read on him). I had forgotten about that part when I was trying to not yell at him during the night.

For readability's sake I'm not going to quote post for post the interaction during the night, but here's the post where I summarize and link to the posts where I show that he is incorrect about GT and me calling him out.

On March 22 2014 02:09 Palmar wrote:
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On March 22 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE can you answer Palmar about the people you said were suspicious of you at the time he pointed out?
Who were those people and why did you think they were suspicious of you?


He already did, his answer was here:

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2014 17:59 Palmar wrote:
VE still hasn't answered me who was scumreading him at the time.

The reason I'm so insistent on getting the answer is that I don't think anyone was. In fact if I recall correctly people were being like super reasonable about him being afk, and then he comes back moaning that people have a scumread on him, which seems like massive oversensitivity about his own alignment.

If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum.


Which I have shown to be false
here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039285
and
here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039393

He is indeed right that poofter called him mafia, so there's that.


Ve responded by showing more people that were calling him mafia, to further back up his point:

On March 22 2014 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd lynch ve

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'd probably lynch out of this group right now

4. djodref
6. VisceraEyes
8. Vivax
15. Alakaslam

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway game ez.
1. thrawn2112: town
2. DarthPunk: town
3. Hopeless1der: dunno
4. djodref: scum
5. Holyflare: town
6. VisceraEyes: dunno
7. raynpelikoneet: town
8. Vivax: scum
9. Coagulation: bench of shame
10. tehpoofter: dunno
11. Oatsmaster : town
12. GiggleTummy :town
13. Koshi: town
14. Palmar: town
15. Alakaslam: town

So we lynch into
Hopeless/poof/djo/Ve and we will win the game.

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 12:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
[image loading]


This is where I'm at. I'm bad at sizing votes so ill recap.


Town: Me, Koshi
Mafia: VE, Thrawn
Fence From scummiest to least scummy, Coag, Darthpunk, Palmer, Rayn, Holyflare

Reasons to come for some of them except VE, he is my most scummy because he tells me hes good then doesn't talk at all bump that lurking bullshit.

Like, you can say that I'm just making shit up all you want - the fact of the matter is that several people have stated that they would lynch me - people of questionable intention. That was my observation, it wasn't a fucking lie, and you're bad for pursuing this to this point. I've spent a half of an hour on this bullshit that I could have spent filtering people or talking to people but instead I'm doing this asinine bullshit because you've now convinced rayn of something that's completely untrue.


I'm not going to go into detail, but he is entirely correct about thrawn, he had already mentioned poofter, but the Oats part comes on page 90-something, so it's irrelevant for the original claim.

I'm not going parse the yelling VE did at me during the night, if he's mafia he's an asshole for antagonizing me and if he's town he's an asshole for assuming I won't take reasoning.

Like the point is that, if VE at any point just said "Oh, guess not that many people were scumreading me, my bad!" or anything in that direction, I'd have been okay with it.

But instead he defended his stuff in the past based on things that aren't true, and when I pointed that out he threw out more stuff that isn't true, all the while antagonizing me throughout the entire game.

Dude's mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 10:57 GMT
#3195
On March 22 2014 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think im the towniest town that ever towned?

No, I think that title belongs to me, or koshi, but you'd have to ask him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 11:19 GMT
#3197
[image loading]
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 12:31 GMT
#3201
I see no reason for the cop to claim unless he
a) has a red check
b) can stop a mislynch (ie has a green check on a scummy player)
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 13:18 GMT
#3202
*tumbleweed*
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 13:19 GMT
#3203
@Djodref, why did you say you had read the entire thread again, (which implies you had done it at least one before)?

Like I haven't even read the entire thread once in great detail, it's ridiculously long.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 14:35 GMT
#3208
On March 20 2014 10:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 10:23 Tehpoofter wrote:
On March 20 2014 10:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
1 of DP/HF I think
VE has a slight chance but I have him as town atm
poof/vivax/djo is a clusterfuck to me...at least 1 i guess
GT has my vote
and then slam hasnt posted anything



Why 1 of DP/HF?? No way they're both town/maf in your eyes?

small chance of bus i guess but the amount of bs in the thread because of the early game makes me think one (and only one) of them is scum.


Does this still apply Hopeless?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 14:36 GMT
#3209
lynching him would be like ripping a bandage off. We have to do it at some point but putting it off is just so much easier.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 14:36 GMT
#3210
him = slam
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 14:42 GMT
#3213
Is my VE case the greatest thing you've seen?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 14:42 GMT
#3214
Reasonable human being this Hopeless.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 15:29 GMT
#3220
Hey I'm not that bad at scum. But activity is not the reason I'm not scum this game.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 15:30 GMT
#3221
or like, you should have a town read on me for completely different reasons that activity.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 16:15 GMT
#3229
On March 23 2014 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2014 00:30 Palmar wrote:
or like, you should have a town read on me for completely different reasons that activity.

you're the towniest town that ever towned in town?

I'm totally not telling you. You should know.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 16:18 GMT
#3231
Also you're bad rayn, I give this VE thing a 80% chance of success.

But I'm fine with sheeping whatever you want to do today, we have mislynches.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 23:16 GMT
#3354
to be fair, I have a better claim to hitler than the rest of you.

VE's answers today are just ugh... It's actually possible he's just awful and town.

Slam is a coinflip.

Djodref is a good lynch but that would mean everyone on day 1 was mafia

HF wanted to kill DP, but seeing as DP wrote the post that made me not hesitate going after vivax idk

hopeless looks more shitty today, but he's too carefree to be mafia. Oats idk.

And tbh, everyone, or almost everyone alive has good claims to be on mafia wagons on day 1, so I think we have to look at reasons instead of just looking at who was on what wagon at what time.

this is how I see mafia day 1:

[image loading]
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2014 23:16 GMT
#3355
oh poof is still alive, maybe he's scum, who knows.
Computer says mafia
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