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Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]
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two games at once, only because geript promised me on video this one would be good. | ||
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On March 03 2014 22:44 yamato77 wrote: /in I will not be trying too hard this game. Also, last spot hype. I will, regardless of my alignment, try to lynch you or straight up shoot you if you don't try hard enough for my taste. | ||
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This would be for example ridiculing someone's arguments, or straight up refusing to listen to them, maybe pretending they don't exist, or otherwise enrage people in a manner that is not just calling them idiots. | ||
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On March 04 2014 05:10 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think that strategy is working for you Palmar. All it did with HF was give him an excuse to go afk for another cycle. Not my fault all those people didn't vote for him. And he was better for the thread afk, when he came back he dazzled VE, better have him away. | ||
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On March 04 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, it kind of sucks for me :/ Is it that bad for you WOS if it's a bit earlier? Just roll with it We can then blame the americans if we lose. | ||
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Do we know the order already? I picked 1/1 btw. | ||
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On March 05 2014 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar are you scum? I think answering that question truthfully will negatively impact my chances of winning the game and thus I refuse to. | ||
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On March 05 2014 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Policy lynch Palmar ##vote Palmar You can't just yell "policy lynch". You have to have an actual policy that I have broken. | ||
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On March 05 2014 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: But Palmar just claimed scum/survivor. I did not do that. | ||
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On March 05 2014 19:38 Oatsmaster wrote: The policy is lynching people who claim scum. I did not claim scum, therefore I have not broken your policy. Therefore you cannot say you're policy lynching me,. | ||
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On March 05 2014 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wel lcan you explain then how your statement makes sense from town perspective? That was kinda what i was asking in the first place when i asked you to elaborate. If we first assume that the only reasonable answers to your question are "yes" and "no", then yes I can. If I am mafia, it should be obvious that answering the question "yes" (and thus truthfully) would increase the chances of me getting lynched significantly. It is not as obvious that a "no" answer as town will increase the chances I get lynched, and thus reduce town's chances of winning the game. The thing is a hard "no" answer to this question is not what I'd usually do as town. A more likely answer from me would be along the lines of "bitch please", "no, are you?" or "no, but I know who is *reasons*". All of those answers are both truthful and would (in my opinion) decrease the chances of me being lynched. However the short, hard "no" I would think is slightly suspicious coming from me. This is arguable, but I'd put the increased chance of me being lynched from the hard "no" at maybe a percent or so, small, but still valid. However what I'm surprised you haven't picked up on about Palmar is how inconsistent he is when presenting that original statement. The refusal to truthfully answer the question is based upon desire to win the game. The entire reason he does not provide the answer is that he thinks he cannot do so truthfully without decreasing his chances to win. However, given that the refusal is based on his own speculations about the game and how town might react to his statements, he should have also been able to deduce that the refusal would put him under even more scrutiny than answering "no" as town. This contradicts his initial motivation for not answering, as not providing the answer means he's under more suspicion than he would be if he answered truthfully as town. This leaves only the option that Palmar is scum, as then, and then only, would the suspicion be increased by a truthful answer compared to no answer. And while that wasn't his original baseline, the motivation for the answer given implies that's the case. I would vote for Palmar but seeing as he is me and that would once again reduce my chances to win I'm afraid I can't. But I hope people notice this contradiction in his play. | ||
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On March 05 2014 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Unless you are suggesting i am mafia and therefore there are no "right answers" which is dumb in the first place and you should have still said "no". No I'm suggesting a simple answer would always be a bad answer. But I can tell that you don't agree so I think we must agree to disagree. | ||
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On March 05 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, you promisd before the game that you'd try to lynch yamato if he didn't put in sufficient effort. Are you abandoning this in your desire to be lazy, or are you gonna go full hypocrite instead? Or whence the change of heart in general? I have not decided the appropriate answer to this question yet. I may have been lying but I also may have been telling the truth. I think it's important I decide whether or not I was lying, as that will have an effect on how I vote today. | ||
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On March 05 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote: ok, as long as we are perfectly clear you are policy lynching someone rather than lynching for scumminess Unlike our friend Oats, I am fully aware of how policy lynches work, and what the requirements for executing them are. I usually make it abundantly clear when I'm policy lynching. | ||
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On March 05 2014 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is also this other thing on Palmar which is that my plan is actually really fucking good and only relies on townies agreeing with it (which leaves scum no other chance than to actually go with it) and this is a perfect fucking guise to not do so for Palmar as mafia as he can be stubborn and fuck with the plan just because he wants to shoot someone and that's why i also want to lynch him. what plan? I haven't read the thread dude. | ||
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On March 05 2014 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my problem Palmar, that's what you would do as mafia aswell and if you are town and shoot a townie i have no way to think you are town and it fucks up everything because you'll get lynched or shot.. Fine so lynch me if I shoot town. Don't fuck with my pick pls. I really want to shoot someone. deal? | ||
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On March 05 2014 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: so much setup speculation, I cannot handle it. Someone should go read my filter in previous pyp games (I've only rolled town). That would be a good way of confirming me as town. | ||
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On March 05 2014 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't know you were a fan of big boobs. I like big boobs. | ||
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On March 06 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you trying to tell me you are mafia and you admit defeat? yeah, can I defect my team and join town? | ||
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On March 06 2014 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: whos your scumteam Palmar? Can't remember they kicked me out of the quicktopic. But I'm coming at them with vengeance. | ||
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It's fine really. I have great reads this game. | ||
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He's not this game, but whatever, his attitude doesn't scream mafia and he can be lazy town. | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:18 marvellosity wrote: I think that was more by chance than anything else though. He just happened to say townie things near the start by mistake sort of. That was the initial town read thing, he looked _really_ good when rayn tried to call him out on that faux contradiction. | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:21 prplhz wrote: lynch in 1 minute who is your biggest scum read gogogo we are almost out of time If I had to mayor lynch someone right now I'd kill one of the people not playing (austin/gumshoe). If you wanted me to try to find scum I'd probably just random lynch into anyone that isn't me you oats marv rayn xatalos. So that's the afk people + artanis hopeless yamato lsb | ||
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On March 06 2014 08:03 marvellosity wrote: that's all we get from you yamato? posting as scum is hard, but at least I gave him an easy target. | ||
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##Vote yamato | ||
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On March 06 2014 17:51 yamato77 wrote: lately you've been trying hard as town I'm seeing none of that this game. I'm genuinely surprised no one blocked your pick. That's not how you meta. This is also why people should not touch meta. If you want to call me mafia, do it based on something I'm doing this game. | ||
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On March 06 2014 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote: so assassin or dayvig palmar I think assassin is better, but I cba arguing with marv and rayn if they want me to take dayvig so I'll get input from them before making the pick. | ||
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I'll be playing dota or doing other things. Also I'll be sleeping when the deadline hits so I'm confirmed town for not instashooting Oats in the face. | ||
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On March 07 2014 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The reasoning is that you've done nothing in the very limited time you've been here and you've indicated you're not going to try harder. The reason Palmar isn't getting lynched for it is because he [according to marv] has a history of doing so and will actually start doing stuff later in the game. You have two choices; Look into austin/gumshoe/hidden mysterious candidate, or you can get ript™. If that's the reason for not lynching me you should probably lynch me tbh. I'm totally not going to do jack shit later in the game unless I have to. | ||
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On March 07 2014 04:44 yamato77 wrote: I disagree. You'd be townie if you showed the slightest hint of interest in anything besides picking a KP role. Other than that, you're only lynching me because I'm not calling you town for how you've done nothing, which is shit. The fact that marv buys into this logic is astoundingly stupid as well, but I can at least understand that he's partially voting for me because he's paranoid about me for not trying hard. You, however, have said nothing of the sort. But hey, there's people like hopeless going "Yeah, what he said wasn't that bad, but I'll sheep the lynch anyway", so who gives a fuck. I don't think disinterest is not the attitude I've portrayed this game, I'd rather go with jovial carefree-ness or something like that. I'm totally posting and shit, I'm just not saying much. | ||
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On March 07 2014 04:50 LSB wrote: There is more to town play than simply confirming yourself as town yeah, sheeping townies who are trying really hard. you have to do that too. | ||
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On March 07 2014 04:58 yamato77 wrote: Rayn said it earlier, I can be lazy and shitty as town. If you keep me alive, I might be more useful later, but unfortunately, I don't have time in the next six hours to prove anything to anybody because I'm leaving for work in 15 minutes. Tonight + tomorrow I have time to play. If you lynch me before that, whatever, you're all bad. I on the other hand will only become more useless as the game goes on. But it's ok, I think I can assassinate myself because I know I'm a rolecop or assassin or something. | ||
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I'd probably be ok with lynching you if you agreed with state policy and went after the state approved targets. please don't think individually. | ||
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On March 07 2014 05:06 yamato77 wrote: Palmar is actually just claiming scum. ##Vote Palmar Yeah I am but that hardly makes me mafia does it? | ||
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But it's already hard enough to get people to policy lynch everything I want policy lynched for. Lying, day 1 roleclaiming, miller claiming etc etc. | ||
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I've basically surrendered my influence to a circle of people I think you and I agree are most likely town. That's usually not a mafia thing to do. | ||
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On March 07 2014 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote: that doesnt make it okay. next thing you know, you like lynching townies for fun i'm actually sort of okay with that, although policy lynching I like even more. | ||
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On March 07 2014 07:43 Xatalos wrote: Apparently Oats has been following the thread and posting filler one-liners every now and then. Dunno. It doesn't feel like he's very invested in the outcome of the lynch. I am very invested in the outcome of the lynch. Or well, I don't really care what alignment he is, but I want him lynched, as he called me scum. | ||
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maybe I should kill him. | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:15 marvellosity wrote: hey. i'm thinking about having you lynched. how's that? I'm going to sleep so there's that if you're thinking about a voteswitch. | ||
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On March 07 2014 19:52 marvellosity wrote: Might just lynch you tomorrow Palmar to get you out the way Tbh could just shoot myself. Unless I get my role wrong. /salute Yamato, you were an important member of our mafia family. | ||
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On March 07 2014 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well Palmar is the most likely to be scum if one of gum/austin isn't simply by eliimination, thus I found eliminiation a proper resolution. You have fallen into my trap Artanis[Xp] Only scum calls me scum! Clearly you're scum! | ||
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On March 07 2014 21:18 marvellosity wrote: 5.Palmar - ass wow, not nice. | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:04 marvellosity wrote: pay attention you useless asshole I'm catching up honey | ||
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But if he's mafia and rolecop becomes framer does he still die? (plz say you don't know so I have a reason not to shoot my scumbuddy). | ||
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wow, such plans. | ||
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sweet. | ||
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is this the right format? | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aw, I guess posting in thread doesn't count. I was hoping he just claimed scum. Haven't I done that like 5 times already? | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well yeah but I mean in actions, not just in words. Will you join me in lynching scumlord marv if Oats flips town? | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Plammer, please tick one of the following boxes. "I have sent in the kill on Austinmcc the rolecop to Geript and all cohosts." [ ] yes [x] no | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then please tick one of the following boxes. "After the action I am planning resolves and/or night ends I am confirmed scum." [x] yes [x] no | ||
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I was actually 2nd (and marv moved off yamato, so technically no1 town hero) on the yamato wagon, but I forgot to put my vote in the vote thread until later so I'm not getting all the town cred I should have. So now you guys know, good thing we cleared that up. | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I will claim the town MVP prize in that cae. Actually I should probably get town mvp then. | ||
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I was the loyal busmaster. | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If my team is right that doesn't mean very much though. yes it does. you suck, I rule. | ||
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he need to shoot according to state policy. | ||
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It's a really fun game, I loved it. | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:32 Xatalos wrote: Town could be border guards and Mafia could be terrorists. Vote border guard every day, border guard decides whose passports get stamped something something. can choose to detain x people who are then nominated for the lynch. Need EIZIC or EZIC or whatever they were called too, and maybe there should be traits and shit. could be fun. | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:38 Xatalos wrote: Indeed. Btw we demand austin's blood. Not my fault all the hosts are lazy | ||
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Event! ![[image loading]](http://bigstickcombat.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/slap.jpg) Artanis[Xp] the jailkeeper has been slapped to death Night 1 ends in: | ||
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I use it all the time in lists! I thought you may have as well but I guess you just used green. | ||
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On March 08 2014 00:10 marvellosity wrote: ffs, he's not going to get modkilled for it. that would be pointless and dumb. as that would confirm me town SCUMLORD. | ||
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/salute | ||
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On March 08 2014 02:15 marvellosity wrote: I mean for all Palmar's numerous, unending, interminable faults, he did just shoot mafia for us. and I was no1 supporter of yamato lynch, even pre-game, that's dedication. | ||
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On March 08 2014 02:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because doing anything else was claiming scum and austin was going to die anyway. Tbh I haven't displayed any hesitancy in claiming scum, so your argument is INVALID. | ||
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On March 08 2014 11:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Order says it goes over factional kp. I'm guessing a scum vigilante gets priority over my jailkeeping? This is not the case. | ||
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Did hopeless ever claim to have shot gumshoe? I know prplhz did claim to have shot gumshoe. | ||
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2. Veteran roleblockers 3. Roleblocker 4. Jack of All Trades (Roleblocker) 5. Jailkeeper cops 6. Role Cop 7. Detective 8. Jack of All Trades (Detective) docs 9. Medic 10. Jack of All Trades (Medic) vigis/kp 11. Vigilante 12. Jack of All Trades (Vigilante) 13. Mafia factional KP 14. Day Vigilante/Assassin ** | ||
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I'm going to shoot hopeless as soon as I have a reasonable explanation as to how marv died. | ||
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On March 08 2014 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Scum roleblocker I assume. So scum has kp, roleblock and factional kp? | ||
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Xatalos marvellosity roleblocked... no one? (hopefully) Palmar Artanis[Xp] jailed marv gumshoe Hopeless1der - shot gumshoe prplhz - shot gumshoe (dayphase) Oatsmaster There are two contradictions here. Marv shouldn't be able to die because Artanis jailed him and jailing has super high priority. and gumshoe should be dead from the two shots. | ||
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we lynch gumshoe, I think that much has to happen. no reason for me to kill him. I guess I need to murder someone today too. | ||
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On March 08 2014 21:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Either strong alterations to roles have been made or townies have not done as they have been instructed. I can tell you I wasn't one of the people who was in the last group. How can you be so sure? Answer: You can't. Stop being dumb Palmar. I'm not being dumb. It's illogical to think that one vigilante role is out of sync with all others, it's much more likely that scum vigilante would be unblockable. | ||
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On March 08 2014 23:30 Xatalos wrote: Palmar you shooting Hopeless? Remember that there's a time limit on your ability. I have plenty of time, geript is sleeping anyway I think. | ||
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Votes on gumshoe pls. Artanis you're not protecting anyone tonight, in fact, no one is doing anything at all tonight. The only exception is Xatalos who can check whoever he wants. | ||
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It would have been posted right after the day post. | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:32 LSB wrote: Well, looks like no one believes me big surprise. If you guys lynch me, I flip green, gumshoe gets lynched tomorrow... that hits lylo with oats, palmar, prphz... I don't really like the sound of that. In any case if you are going to lynch gumshoe it'll probably be better to do it sooner than later. me, prplhz, oats is a fine and dandy lylo as me and oats are basically confirmed... | ||
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On March 10 2014 09:00 gumshoe wrote: When I signed up I whole heartedly intended too. Unfortunately intent doesn't often translate into result. I just came back here to try and clear my shooter because it was something I could do that took such little effort that there was literally no reason not to. The rest is up to yall, unless by some mircale I survive and muster the will to read 100 plus pages, which is unlikely. If you're town, you may have just thrown this game for town. Good job! | ||
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On March 10 2014 09:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar he admits to not having read the game. Policy lynch plx. If it's not Gum it's probably actually prplhz. I find it really hard to believe after all those blunders from LSB that he's mafia. does it matter if I move my vote? | ||
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On March 11 2014 03:17 Hopeless1der wrote: wouldn't yamato be the top contender for 'fell for palmar's trap'? No that would imply my trap was actually elaborate or useful, or both. It wasn't. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20926117 check this and next post. That was way before you assholes decided to lynch yamato with me. | ||
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